Persistent Ebayer wants to deal privately

[Jeffro.]

[Prince Namor]

Thanks so much Alex. I really appreciate the support. Please come by my booth 531 this weekend so I can give you a hug.

 

[Buzzetta]

200 to go until 1000.

[W16227]

 

 

 

always have to wonder about pics like this -

 

have to hope this is photoshopped or the kid on the bottom is really a doll or something....

 

 

cuz one would like to think it would be more important to stop the mashing of a child than to stop and take a #@$!#$ picture

 

 

 

 

[Jeffro.]

 

 

 

always have to wonder about pics like this -

 

have to hope this is photoshopped or the kid on the bottom is really a doll or something....

 

 

cuz one would like to think it would be more important to stop the mashing of a child than to stop and take a #@$!#$ picture

 

No, it isn't. video ops like these are what's kept America's Funniest Videos on the air for 15+ years

[roscoPcoltrane]

this thread should've been nuked on page 3...how the f did it make page 81? I spent 2 days managing a distal radius fracture on my 9 yr old after a 13 yr old bully decided he didn't like my son's skill set on the court and slammed him. 2 hospitals and 18 hours later I sit down to clear my head and relax to chopin and some banter on the boards and instead i just spent 45 mins catching up and sadly can never get that time back . man I wish I was still back in the ER. Anyone wants my ASM 4 thats on Ebay let me know..I just maxed out my 9000.00 copay for the second time in 6 months ..I'll even pay the fees this time

[HarveySwick]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

[Lazyboy]

We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. Also, members can't use information obtained from eBay to contact each other about buying or selling outside of eBay.

 

Very rarely will I come across someone who has a goldmine of books and wait on him to list.. Ill just contact them and work out a deal:

 

Yeah, I do that too. Once bought 37,000 comics doing that.

 

 

Threads with 800 replies are lame. Let's get this thing to 8000!

[Prince Namor]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

 

[ThreeSeas]

Wow, This has been quite entertaining.

 

About Ebay, somewhat related to to this thread. Does it say anywhere in their terms that if you are selling an item and have it listed with them, that you are not to be also trying to sell it elsewhere?

 

I was wondering if it was against their terms to have a comic for sale, lets say on a LCS's wall while also listing it on ebay? What happens when you have a bunch of bidders on ebay and then a guy walks into your shop and plops down the money and buys your comic? Do you tell the ebayers so sad, too bad? I have not used ebay since the 90's so I am not familiar with how this works.

 

I have read through most of this thread and if I missed this being talked about I apologize. Just curious.

[Doohickamabob]

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book.

You conveniently avoid mentioning that eBay often grants people free listings (i.e. no fee) with the expectation that they'll be paid on the back-end (the percentage of the completed deal). Oops, there goes your whole argument.

[HarveySwick]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

 

 

I love the memes and you guys know I usually jump right in there, but explain how I'm wrong.

 

Is MyComicShop doing something wrong? Books are sold off eBay for cheaper prices while simultaneously being listed on eBay all the time??

 

I get it's funny to post memes in response and jump in with "+1's" but explain how the situation is wrong. What obligation does a buyer have to eBay???

 

If you don't have an eBay account, can't you still view listings? Those people don't need to abide by an eBay user agreement.

[HarveySwick]

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book.

You conveniently avoid mentioning that eBay often grants people free listings (i.e. no fee) with the expectation that they'll be paid on the back-end (the percentage of the completed deal). Oops, there goes your whole argument.

 

I didn't leave anything out for convenience sake. That's why I added in "(for the most part)".

[jcjames]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

 

Again Nearly all of my listings are free to list

 

So if I advertise on Ebay, find a customer, and then pull the listing and sell it to them privately, then I paid nothing to Ebay for the use of their site and access to their worldwide customer-base (even though I agreed I would pay them a percentage of the sale if I used their site to find a customer), so how is that "right", especially considering I first agreed (in order to gain access to Ebay's vast buyer-network) that I wouldn't do that?

 

How is that "right"?

 

[HarveySwick]

As a buyer, people are arguing that if I see a book on eBay, my obligation is to buy it off eBay?

 

If I find another way to purchase the book OFF eBay, I've violated the terms of eBay.

 

That is the crux of this argument, correct?

[revat]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

 

I'm not sure the act itself is what people are taking umbrage with. I think the problem some people have is when seller enters into a contract with ebay with very clear and specific terms that THEY BOTH AGREE TO, then KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY break the specific terms of the contract.

 

I think there are arguments to be made about enforceableness of this contract, and various what-ifs that seemingly sound very reasonable, but I wouldn't begrudge someone for taking a hard line against this behavior too.

 

BUT it is ridiculous to believe that it is somehow more right because ebay and other corporations and/or taxing authorities make too much money or spend money in ways that you don't approve of (obviously not target at HS). And when people on who argue from that point of view agree with you, it might make one reconsider one's point of view.

 

[OldGuy]

What's ebay?

[HarveySwick]

But it seems more BUYERS (including me) have been criticized and chastised the last few days. I rarely sell anything so maybe it's a perspective sort of thing?

 

When someone buys something off of eBay, they don't get the added benefits of buying something ON eBay - buyer protection, easy checkout, eBay bucks.

 

Why did eBay create eBay bucks? Because they're so grateful to the loyal people who use their services OR because they know people purchase things off site so they wanted to give buyers incentive to buy things ON eBay!

 

[Bills Comics]

You guys all need to quit arguing. Whats right for one person is not always what right for someone else .

So many things go into making up a persons ethics and they can differ depending on the situation .

Quit trying to decide what someone else should or shouldnt be doing .

 

 

[jcjames]

Sellers listing books are charged a listing fee.

 

A seller lists a book on eBay. If a person sees the book, messages the seller and figures out a way to contact the seller off of eBay and figure out a way to purchase the book off of eBay, what violation has occurred?

 

The seller paid for that service already - a listing and advertisement of the book. When they cancel the listing and sell the book via other means, neither party used any additional service provided by eBay such as checkout, buyer protection, eBay bucks or anything else eBay offered.

 

There is nothing wrong with doing this. Otherwise every seller that simultaneously lists their book on eBay and another site such as ComicLink, MyComicShop or their own site is "violating the rules of eBay."

 

eBay knows this which is why the place filters to prevent messages being sent that include "yahoo" or "hotmail" etc. to prevent off-site communications and keep sales on-site so they can collect their fees.

 

I posted this on Saturday and I'm still sticking by it.

 

Seller's list things and subsequently end the listing all the time prior to the end of the listing all the time. Is this because the item is "no longer available for sale"? YES! Is this because it has sold off eBay? Maybe some sellers have a change of heart like the guy here who recently listed an AF15, but do you think that makes up the majority of those cancelled listings?

 

Sellers have an "obligation" to complete sales through eBay, but what ethical/moral obligation does a buyer have?

 

My personal feeling is that eBay charges (for the most part), listing fees and those fees are paid by a seller to advertise, market and list an item for sale. eBay WANTS you to fully complete the sale on the site so they can then collect their cut of the sale. But if an item sells off site, so be it.

 

I've messaged plenty of sellers on eBay who tell me "no" they will not complete a deal off of eBay. And that's fine - I either decide if I want to pay the listed price or not. In the past, several sellers have said "No, I won't sell off site, but I will change the listing to include a Best Offer and will accept your offer." Cool. But I don't think talking to someone who has an item listed on eBay and buying it elsewhere is anything morally corrupt.

 

Again I'm pointing at MyComicShop's listings. If I first see a book on eBay (which is often the case) and the seller is MyComicShop, I KNOW I can buy the book cheaper on MyComicShop.com. I don't even need to contact anyone. I can just go over to MCS's site and *presto* - eBay fees avoided! There are also plenty of Board friends that have eBay stores. If I see them list a book, I'll absolutely message them here and buy the book minus fees.

 

I can't understand how you all think this is something morally wrong?

 

 

I love the memes and you guys know I usually jump right in there, but explain how I'm wrong.

 

Is MyComicShop doing something wrong? Books are sold off eBay for cheaper prices while simultaneously being listed on eBay all the time??

 

I get it's funny to post memes in response and jump in with "+1's" but explain how the situation is wrong. What obligation does a buyer have to eBay???

 

If you don't have an eBay account, can't you still view listings? Those people don't need to abide by an eBay user agreement.

I agree - I do that with Amazon, using their reviews, and many other sites. It's just typical online-shopping for the best deal. But shoppers aren't the same as sellers who agreed to sell on those sites.

 

I don't know the policy for MCS regarding them posting the same book on their site and on Ebay - is it different if they have an "Ebay Store"? I know they have to pay more for an "Ebay Store", so are their terms different?

 

How about a LCS who sells on their Ebay Store AND in their brick-and-mortar store?

 

 

Maybe folks here with both Ebay Stores and brick-and-mortar stores and enlighten on those policies.