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THE BATMAN starring Robert Pattinson (2022)
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On 2/3/2022 at 11:20 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I'll comment as I see fit, as I always have. It's not my fault that the trailers and etc have failed to make me feel like this is going to be great.

And I'll respond back as I see fit. So there! :cheers:

Meanwhile, show me a post where you have been open to the interpretation though naturally it may lead to disappointment.

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On 2/3/2022 at 11:26 AM, Bosco685 said:

And I'll respond back as I see fit. So there! :cheers:

Meanwhile, show me a post where you have been open to the interpretation though naturally it may lead to disappointment.

IIRC, I posted a few days ago that I am going to see it with an open mind. As you should well know, I'm not one of those "not my Batman" types. I don't care if the movie is 3 hours as long as it takes advantage of its runtime.

Me not being invested prior to the movie is a non-issue. They could not release any trailers and I would still see it. Trailers exist to increase my appetite for an IP that I already care about. This hasn't done that. Now, if it looked truly awful, they could dissuade me from buying tickets. That's not my take here, though.

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On 2/3/2022 at 10:59 AM, Number 6 said:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I think the character of Batman has had so many permutations in the comic source material over the years that it wouldn’t be surprising that there would be some disagreement on what constitutes “definitive” Batman.  And that’s before a director brings his own idiosyncratic spin to the character.

It's really annoying to see when people say that Affleck's character "is not Batman". Well, of course he's Batman; He's a specific version of the character. In fact, Frank Miller himself said that his portrayal is "very close" to The Dark Knight Returns.

Batman has been around for more than 80 years. Each writer has put his/her spin on the mythos. Reeves' adaptation is simply another name in the pile.

The only thing that I would say for certain is that Year One is the definitive Batman origin story. DC has said that all of their Year One titles are the definitive origin stories for the characters in which they were written.

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On 2/3/2022 at 11:36 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

IIRC, I posted a few days ago that I am going to see it with an open mind. As you should well know, I'm not one of those "not my Batman" types. I don't care if the movie is 3 hours as long as it takes advantage of its runtime.

Me not being invested prior to the movie is a non-issue. They could not release any trailers and I would still see it. Trailers exist to increase my appetite for an IP that I already care about. This hasn't done that. Now, if it looked truly awful, they could dissuade me from buying tickets. That's not my take here, though.

Nobody HAS to like a movie. There's no mandate from anyone like that (assumed or otherwise).

You have seemed to be steadily negative about this film. Like you are going to force yourself to not even appreciate any of it. I think it's cool to share your views before a movie comes out. But that approach comes across as being negative for negative's sake just to stomp your foot and proclaim 'not for me' repeatedly.

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I ran into a Redditor who has a massive hard-on for Pattinson, and this movie. Let me tell you that their incessant obsession with every moment of footage that has been released was almost vomit-inducing.

Like, the Infinity War and Endgame and Justice League trailers were all god-level, but I never broke down every second and gushed about how I expect them to be the "most amazing" or etc. Hype and psychosis are 2 different things.

It could be that my experience vs that Redditor made me even more pessimistic about this film, I can't really say for sure. Talking to someone that psychotic really put me out of ease, though. It was cringe.

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On 2/4/2022 at 6:19 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I ran into a Redditor who has a massive hard-on for Pattinson, and this movie. Let me tell you that their incessant obsession with every moment of footage that has been released was almost vomit-inducing.

Like, the Infinity War and Endgame and Justice League trailers were all god-level, but I never broke down every second and gushed about how I expect them to be the "most amazing" or etc. Hype and psychosis are 2 different things.

It could be that my experience vs that Redditor made me even more pessimistic about this film, I can't really say for sure. Talking to someone that psychotic really put me out of ease, though. It was cringe.

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As one of the cornerstones of comic book fandom for almost 83 years, DC Comics’ caped crusader has been at the center of some of the film industry’s most memorable moments and biggest box office impacts throughout the past four decades.

 

As 2022’s first bona fide tentpole to hit the big screen, Matt Reeves’ The Batman is poised to join the club and reinvigorate the theatrical marketplace when it debuts just four weeks from now.

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PROS:

  • Batman is inarguably one of the most valuable and reliable pop culture icons when it comes to the box office, evidenced by numerous blockbuster performances across multiple generations of moviegoers — from Tim Burton’s 1989 film to Christopher Nolan’s early 2000s trilogy and Zack Snyder’s Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice in 2016.
  • Advance tracking, social activity, and trailer imprints for The Batman are the strongest of any release excluding Spider-Man: No Way Home since before the pandemic began. Preliminary metrics align closely with Captain Marvel, which scored the third highest March opening in history with $153.4 million three years ago.
  • More bullish models are also generating notable trendlines with Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker ($177.4 million in December 2019) and Batman v. Superman ($166 million in March 2016, which is also the record for a DC film). 2017’s Beauty and the Beast remake bested the latter for what is the current March record at $174.8 million.
  • As for current forecast ranges (listed below), it would not be surprising for them to trend upward in the weeks ahead if pre-sales and reviews come out strong. As Warner Bros.’ first theatrically exclusive tentpole since Tenet, marketing is expected to fire on all cylinders.
  • Another rebirth of the timeless comic book juggernaut is coupled with a new leading man in Robert Pattinson, an actor already well-established in the minds of both fan followers and indie film communities thanks to a diverse and widely praised early career resume.
  • With a strong ensemble cast behind a gallery of familiar Batman mythos characters good, bad, and everything in between, the commercial prospects of this film measure up to the type of A-list talent that has previously helped attract the most casual of Batman and comic book fans for prior cinematic chapters.
  • Comic book films have clearly been the most in-demand throughout pandemic recovery, with five of the top six domestic earners in 2021 hailing from the page. This will notably be DC’s first release since Wonder Woman 1984 during the nascent stages of theatrical re-openings in late 2020, and not far removed from the resounding success of 2019’s Joker.
  • Young audiences and men of all ages have been at the heart of rebounding box office hits over the past year, and The Batman will strongly pull from those bases. The presence of Zoë Kravitz’s Catwoman and Pattinson’s own draw among young women could further expand interest for this film beyond die-hards.
  • After a slow winter box office that saw Spider-Man: No Way Home carry its phenomenal run through January virtually unchallenged (other than by Scream), and a February slate that looks to only modestly improve the status quo, pent-up demand for the next theatrical event should be in full swing by early March — especially as the weather begins to turn warmer and expectations surrounding the pandemic hope to improve again.
  • Moreover, a fairly light March slate allows plenty of runway for staying power and retention of premium format screens.
  • Matt Reeves’ involvement itself is a point of strength as he writes and directs with a complete vision for where this new Batman will go, not unlike Nolan’s previous approach. Reeves previously captained the commercially successful and widely lauded modern Planet of the Apes trilogy from 2011 to 2017.
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  • At two hours and fifty-five minutes, The Batman‘s long run time could marginally limit showtimes-per-day. That’s primarily a factor for opening weekend projections, though, and the relative lack of strong holdovers from January and February should allow theater owners to compensate with plenty of screen space.
  • With what appears to a noir-fueled, gritty take on Gotham City, it remains to be seen how this version of the character and the world around him walk the line between the mainstream appeal of many comic book films versus the psychological nature and more violent aspects that could be off-putting to some parents and/or kids.
  • The reboot of any major franchise or character always comes with a set of built-in risks. Not only must audiences re-familiarize with a new vision and cast, the weight of expectations can be challenging to overcome. Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy remains a beloved staple for many audiences, but after ending ten years ago, enough time may have now passed for the franchise and an evolving audience to warmly embrace Matt Reeves’ interpretation.
  • On a similar note, word of mouth will be crucial for box office staying power. Batman v Superman was notoriously front-loaded with less than a 2x opening weekend multiple despite the prowess of its two characters appearing on screen together for the first time (and starring Ben Affleck in his first turn as Batman). Conversely, 2008’s The Dark Knight still achieved a greater-than 3.3x multiple from opening weekends on the back of sensational audience reception.

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