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Good, because the batman 251 cover blows :news:

 

Statements like this will not improve your street cred. :sumo:

 

I ain't no sheep, man! :headbang:

 

 

 

But I think you could be convinced to join.....

 

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

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Wow, I hadn't looked at the OA since last week and I'm now seeing 3 or 4 pieces that are must haves. What an incredible offering.

As a wise man once said to me, "It's only money..."

 

My wife doesn't think that guy is very wise :(

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Comics.org sez that Starlin reported he did a cover rough that J. Buscema penciled. They say Giacoia inked it. Looks a bit sketchy for Giacoia, but that could be right. It looks more Esposito-ish to me, but I know nothing.

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

 

Looks like John Buscema re-did the faces.

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

 

Looks like John Buscema re-did the faces.

 

Whole thing looks like Buscema to me :shrug:

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This Defenders cover conversation is quite interesting. How much does it impact value to not definitively know who drew the art? Not knowing who an inker is when multiple are credited is one thing, but not knowing the cover artists in full is a different thing entirely.

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A lotta nice Bronze and early Copper Marvel & DC pages got posted yesterday - a lot of the pieces are so similar thematically that I'd bet most of it is coming from a single collection. Miller DD, some Copper X-Men, various X-Men BA/CA crossover appearances, Perez NTT, etc.

 

Finally, some stuff for us Copper Kids to get excited about...all this talk about how great this auction was shaping up to be while I know a lot of collectors, including myself, were scratching our heads thinking it was straight up zzzlol

 

So far my favorite posted are the Sienkiewicz Star Wars cover and the Adams Longshot splash. I'll be excited to see the bidding war on the latter

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

 

Looks like John Buscema re-did the faces.

 

Whole thing looks like Buscema to me :shrug:

 

If that's not all John Buscema, it's someone trying very hard to draw like Buscema.

 

Scott

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

 

Looks like John Buscema re-did the faces.

 

Whole thing looks like Buscema to me :shrug:

 

If that's not all John Buscema, it's someone trying very hard to draw like Buscema.

 

Scott

 

Buscema cover and inked by Frank Giacoia..

 

Cover inker identified 2005 by Nick Caputo. Cover penciler identified 2005 by Shane Foley, confirmed by Steven Tice. Jim Starlin confirmed that he produced the cover rough for John Buscema.

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If that's not all John Buscema, it's someone trying very hard to draw like Buscema.

 

Scott

 

I think the inking is too heavy to be Big John. His '80s self-inked work is of course very loose and wispy, but even the '70s examples have less weighty lines than this cover. I think it's the obvious Buscema pencil work on the faces that probably makes it scream Buscema, but I would bet that it was inked by someone else.

 

Regarding the GCD entry above, just as an FYI, the GCD often lists Morrie Kuramoto on the cover credits, but he was a letterer/production staffer and not one of the pencillers or inkers.

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My Lord, has anyone checked out the new additions lately? The amount of GA and SA DC art is staggering.

 

There is literally a great example of SA DC from just about every title (although I didn't see anything from Doom Patrol yet). I wonder if some BSD who had a great example from almost every series is cashing out.

 

Would love to hear if anyone remembers seeing such a volume of quality GA art being in one auction in maybe the last 10+ years? (I really have no idea)

 

 

Ethan lived local to me and he was the VERY first person I ever met back in 1989-90 when I went to a local comic con looking for original artwork in Cleveland after I got into the hobby...I still remember sitting near him before the show opened, and we each had an art portfolio and he walked up to me and asked if I had any art....and I showed him my Steve Ditko ASM annual 2 pinup with the ringmasters of crime I had picked up recently...and we became good friends from that time onward, and we drove together as well as met at many comic shows over the past 28 years.

 

Ethan was a wealth of information......and he could look at just about ANY comic page from the 1930's onward and instantly tell you who drew it.

 

Ethan was the oldest remaining of the ORIGINAL gang in Cleveland where we would all meet at each others houses in the early to mid 1990's looking at comic art from each other's collections and talk all about comic and strip art over chips and drink and I was always selling and trading art with everyone there!

 

Ethan, Bill Thailing, Sam George..Andy Bradish, Julius Dratwa..Gary Dumm, myself. and Jim Damico all hosted these parties and it truly was a super fun time back before the Internet was prominent.

 

.....other guys started coming..... like Dave Morris...... and I STILL remember Ed Hodder in the middle 90's showing off his X-Men #94 cover...... I still remember him telling us he got offered 15k for the cover and we all screamed at him...SELL SELL SELL!!!! And he sold it (not at our gatherings) because that price sounded astounding at the time. MY HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!! lol

 

The very last time we had one of these shows was at my home......around 2000 where I first met Bill Cox, and I think Mark Tomlinson even came in from Pittsburgh... and a few guys from the Detroit area came because guys heard about it from a con in Cleveland

 

We had 25-30 people that last time at my place, which was our biggest get together for sure.....I had heard that Walt Simonson was supposed to come (from the con) but something family related happened and he didn't make it.

 

Again...fun fun times back then for sure....great memories which I will always cherish!

 

Mike

 

I think of myself as a bit of an old timer but I really don't know any of these names (in bold) Mike. Are any of them still active in the hobby? Just thinking about collector turnover from another thread here.

 

Scott

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Here's an article that deals with the Kirby art issue from over 3 months ago:

 

http://www.pipelinecomics.com/the-mystery-of-60s-marvel-jack-kirby-original-artwork/

 

Never talked to this writer before, beyond exchanging a couple of tweets where he commented on the podcast. He pieced together everything in the article on his own. (By his own admission, it's all speculation on his part.) Not bad, as far as guessing goes.

 

He sent me a link when the article went up. I had forgotten about it and didn't check back...and missed the spirited comment thread that developed. Of particular interest are the posts by long-time dealer Hans Kosenkranius (Tri-State Original Art). Worth a read!

 

If this comes to pass, 3rd party signature certification on Original art pieces will become much bigger, as will seeking out signatures from artists. If you have an authentically signed piece of OA, the artist has literally and figuratively "signed off" on your ownership of it.

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Some great pieces have popped in the last day or so.

 

Anybody has any insights as to the artist of the Defenders 4 cover:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/miscellaneous//p/7158-62010.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Marvel Database says Starlin J Buscema Giacoia Kuaramoto (?) as cover artists...for sure I can't pin it down just looking at the piece

 

Looks like John Buscema re-did the faces.

 

Whole thing looks like Buscema to me :shrug:

 

If that's not all John Buscema, it's someone trying very hard to draw like Buscema.

 

Scott

 

Buscema cover and inked by Frank Giacoia..

 

Cover inker identified 2005 by Nick Caputo. Cover penciler identified 2005 by Shane Foley, confirmed by Steven Tice. Jim Starlin confirmed that he produced the cover rough for John Buscema.

 

 

Thanks to everybody who contributed to this. It is a great great cover but obviously it does not feature a distinctive style!

 

Carlo

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If that's not all John Buscema, it's someone trying very hard to draw like Buscema.

 

Scott

 

I think the inking is too heavy to be Big John. His '80s self-inked work is of course very loose and wispy, but even the '70s examples have less weighty lines than this cover. I think it's the obvious Buscema pencil work on the faces that probably makes it scream Buscema, but I would bet that it was inked by someone else.

 

Regarding the GCD entry above, just as an FYI, the GCD often lists Morrie Kuramoto on the cover credits, but he was a letterer/production staffer and not one of the pencillers or inkers.

 

Yeah the GCD listing has Morrie listed as the letterer for this issue.

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Yeah the GCD listing has Morrie listed as the letterer for this issue.

 

Marvel Wikia often lists Kuramoto or Gaspar Saladino among the cover credits without specifying their role; forgot that GCD breaks down the credits by role.

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