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[fastballspecial]

Give some of these boardies time. I have faith they can standardize everything. Just a heads up Sharon, posts must be black.

 

I was reading this in my email and spit out my orange juice;)

 

 

[Meeklo]

No the thread is a mess layout wise. Hopefully he will learn to make sales thread more clear in the future. At least the pictures no longer require a 90 inch screen to fit them on.

 

Dammit…I just bought a 90" screen to accommodate this! I was about to bask in high-def, high-grade-, high-res goodness!

 

Guess I'll just watch some lousy football game...

[crassus]

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8340461#Post8340461

 

Can someone explain the grade on this book?

[AJD]

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8340461#Post8340461

 

Can someone explain the grade on this book?

 

QA error at CGC. Should be a green label.

[Gsims718]

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8340461#Post8340461

 

Can someone explain the grade on this book?

 

QA error at CGC. Should be a green label.

 

Yep I had a Fantastic Four #52 with the same QA error. Missing ad page, and it was in a blue label, 6.0.

[prez]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

[AJD]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

 

You'll get a 0.5 for that in a blue label.

[mschmidt]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

 

Incomplete books get a 0.5 grade in a blue label slab - my money's on a QA error as well.

[slym2none]

If it's clear to you, do you think it's not clear to others? Micromanaging sales threads, however incompetently run, isn't a good idea.

 

That's all I am saying.

 

 

 

 

-slym

[slym2none]

Carnival barking is annoying but the seller will eventually learn that it doesn't help and actually hurts a sales thread. I don't see a need to regulate it, people will just look down on the seller and move along.

 

I agree with this. However, I will continue to express my disdain for the hard core pimps, pump and dumpers, and barkers

 

As it should be. Rules for such things aren't necessary.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

 

-slym

[prez]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

 

Incomplete books get a 0.5 grade in a blue label slab - my money's on a QA error as well.

 

 

Ahhhh... Gotcha. Maybe they ran out of green ink.

[rodan57]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

 

Incomplete books get a 0.5 grade in a blue label slab - my money's on a QA error as well.

 

 

Ahhhh... Gotcha. Maybe they ran out of green ink.

 

Won't be green. Green is for high-grade books with a hidden flaw -- hence the qualification.

[PovertyRow]

Won't be green. Green is for high-grade books with a hidden flaw -- hence the qualification.

 

Actually not a "hidden flaw". Just a single flaw that takes the book out of an ordinarily higher grade. For example, a book that would have graded 9.8 except for a 3" (or 4" or 1" etc) tear on the front cover.

[crassus]

Won't be green. Green is for high-grade books with a hidden flaw -- hence the qualification.

 

Actually not a "hidden flaw". Just a single flaw that takes the book out of an ordinarily higher grade. For example, a book that would have graded 9.8 except for a 3" (or 4" or 1" etc) tear on the front cover.

 

And not only for high grade, at least I have seen examples, here is one presently, and obviously a lower grade book to begin:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8342613#Post8342613

[Columbia Comics]

I see some fins in the water.

 

The sharks passing out time payment plans

[mschmidt]

I think they can give you a blue label if you are below a certain grade and they will just take the missing page into account on the overall grade.

 

Incomplete books get a 0.5 grade in a blue label slab - my money's on a QA error as well.

 

 

Ahhhh... Gotcha. Maybe they ran out of green ink.

 

Won't be green. Green is for high-grade books with a hidden flaw -- hence the qualification.

 

There are plenty of low to mid-grade green label slabs out there.

 

As a missing page drops the technical grade to a 0.5, it's a prime candidate for a green label (where the book is graded as if the page is still there).

 

Here's a qualified CGC 3.5 because of a missing page:

 

 

And another:

 

[PovertyRow]

These low grade qualified irk me. It was not what is was originally designed for.

 

When the first OS Grading Guide came out I called Gary Carter and talked with him about the concept of even a NM book having writing on the cover would be (as I recall) no better than a VG.

 

I told him the structural and aesthetic appeal of a NM with a single flaw only allowable in VG made no sense. Because the VG with that writing also allowed for other flaws ALONG WITH the writing.

 

So if you lay the real VG with writing and other allowable VG flaws alongside that NM with just the writing, the difference is ridiculous.

 

We talked at length about this and I brought up other scenarios. Gary seemed interested and, as I recall, the next Grading Guide made accommodations for this concept.

 

But seeing things like a 3.5 Qualified makes my shoulders torque.

[crassus]

These low grade qualified irk me. It was not what is was originally designed for.

 

When the first OS Grading Guide came out I called Gary Carter and talked with him about the concept of even a NM book having writing on the cover would be (as I recall) no better than a VG.

 

I told him the structural and aesthetic appeal of a NM with a single flaw only allowable in VG made no sense. Because the VG with that writing also allowed for other flaws ALONG WITH the writing.

 

So if you lay the real VG with writing and other allowable VG flaws alongside that NM with just the writing, the difference is ridiculous.

 

We talked at length about this and I brought up other scenarios. Gary seemed interested and, as I recall, the next Grading Guide made accommodations for this concept.

 

But seeing things like a 3.5 Qualified makes my shoulders torque.

 

Your argument makes me think of the earlier Winnipeg's, I have the right pedigree, yes? If I understand it correctly the pre 1965 issues in the collection all had a name written in ink across the top, but are otherwise high grade copies, and graded as such by CGC?

 

Personally, I would be fine with any and all incomplete books being a straight Blue label .5

 

I am guessing that the option of a Green Label qualified grade is because the market has shown that some collectors care less about incompletes, or at least discriminate still about grades even when incomplete.

[PovertyRow]

These low grade qualified irk me. It was not what is was originally designed for.

 

When the first OS Grading Guide came out I called Gary Carter and talked with him about the concept of even a NM book having writing on the cover would be (as I recall) no better than a VG.

 

I told him the structural and aesthetic appeal of a NM with a single flaw only allowable in VG made no sense. Because the VG with that writing also allowed for other flaws ALONG WITH the writing.

 

So if you lay the real VG with writing and other allowable VG flaws alongside that NM with just the writing, the difference is ridiculous.

 

We talked at length about this and I brought up other scenarios. Gary seemed interested and, as I recall, the next Grading Guide made accommodations for this concept.

 

But seeing things like a 3.5 Qualified makes my shoulders torque.

 

Your argument makes me think of the earlier Winnipeg's, I have the right pedigree, yes? If I understand it correctly the pre 1965 issues in the collection all had a name written in ink across the top, but are otherwise high grade copies, and graded as such by CGC?

 

Personally, I would be fine with any and all incomplete books being a straight Blue label .5

 

I am guessing that the option of a Green Label qualified grade is because the market has shown that some collectors care less about incompletes, or at least discriminate still about grades even when incomplete.

 

Yes, there are certainly pedigrees with writing on the cover that helps determine the pedigree. And they do not seem to be discounted for that grade-wise.

 

Your last paragraph (my bolding it) is interesting. The concept of collector discrimination should not factor into how a book is graded. It should, IMO, be based on accumulated defects, which include both structural defects and aesthetic defects. Were all books graded in a blanket way, with defects being evenly applied, the collectors would still have a voice in deciding which defects are more or less acceptable. The voice would be with their wallets (or PayPal account or charge card or check or MO ).

[Boboset]

These low grade qualified irk me. It was not what is was originally designed for.

 

When the first OS Grading Guide came out I called Gary Carter and talked with him about the concept of even a NM book having writing on the cover would be (as I recall) no better than a VG.

 

I told him the structural and aesthetic appeal of a NM with a single flaw only allowable in VG made no sense. Because the VG with that writing also allowed for other flaws ALONG WITH the writing.

 

So if you lay the real VG with writing and other allowable VG flaws alongside that NM with just the writing, the difference is ridiculous.

 

We talked at length about this and I brought up other scenarios. Gary seemed interested and, as I recall, the next Grading Guide made accommodations for this concept.

 

But seeing things like a 3.5 Qualified makes my shoulders torque.

 

Your argument makes me think of the earlier Winnipeg's, I have the right pedigree, yes? If I understand it correctly the pre 1965 issues in the collection all had a name written in ink across the top, but are otherwise high grade copies, and graded as such by CGC?

 

Personally, I would be fine with any and all incomplete books being a straight Blue label .5

 

I am guessing that the option of a Green Label qualified grade is because the market has shown that some collectors care less about incompletes, or at least discriminate still about grades even when incomplete.

 

That's the Winnipeg pedigree. (thumbs u