Sqeggs Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Mr. Lady Luck said: Any new developments on this? I was told yesterday that they were still working on why Newton rings are as bad as they are on some books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, Sqeggs said: I was told yesterday that they were still working on why Newton rings are as bad as they are on some books. They still haven't tracked down that one guy? Sqeggs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Just now, Point Five said: 33 minutes ago, Sqeggs said: I was told yesterday that they were still working on why Newton rings are as bad as they are on some books. They still haven't tracked down that one guy? They've been questioning the whole staff, but they told me that, unfortunately, they discovered that there is no such thing as truth serum. comicdonna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuscemasAvengers Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Apologies if this was addressed earlier in this thread: is it true that CGC is seeing the rings before they leave to be shipped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walclark Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/14/2018 at 4:09 PM, Sqeggs said: They've been questioning the whole staff, but they told me that, unfortunately, they discovered that there is no such thing as truth serum. I understand that there have been some exciting advances in the field of waterboarding lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/14/2018 at 4:09 PM, Sqeggs said: They've been questioning the whole staff, but they told me that, unfortunately, they discovered that there is no such thing as truth serum. I'm sure that CGC hires only the best people. It's a sign of the times when tape removal refers to recordings, not book preservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Got this one back about a week ago. While not as awful as some of the books I posted earlier, if you look closely at the woman, you can see that it's still pretty bad. comicnoir and aardvark88 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 14 hours ago, BuscemasAvengers said: Apologies if this was addressed earlier in this thread: is it true that CGC is seeing the rings before they leave to be shipped? You would think the rings would be evident to whoever is doing the quality control checks. The book I just posted was graded August 1, which is well after they became aware that there was a problem. Yet it went through the QC stage without being sent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuscemasAvengers Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sqeggs said: You would think the rings would be evident to whoever is doing the quality control checks. The book I just posted was graded August 1, which is well after they became aware that there was a problem. Yet it went through the QC stage without being sent back. Agreed ... if QC sees it and allows it to move on, then that says a mouthful! However, if they do not see it, and it happens after it leaves the building, then .... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 hours ago, BuscemasAvengers said: 6 hours ago, Sqeggs said: You would think the rings would be evident to whoever is doing the quality control checks. The book I just posted was graded August 1, which is well after they became aware that there was a problem. Yet it went through the QC stage without being sent back. Agreed ... if QC sees it and allows it to move on, then that says a mouthful! However, if they do not see it, and it happens after it leaves the building, then .... what? Possible, I suppose, but it seems unlikely to me. Not a point that I've heard CGC make either during the current problem or during the earlier episode of bad Newton rings. If it's a question of time, CGC could take some SA and GA books (it seems to be with these books that the problem is most likely to arise), encapsulate them, and put them aside for a month or so to see if rings develop. It's possible that rings develop because slabs are squeezed together in the 20 slab shipping boxes. Again, CGC could test this possibility by mailing books across the country to see what happens. The book I posted earlier today was a single book submission, so it was shipped in a regular box, wrapped in bubble wrap and not pressed tightly against another book. My guess is that the rings are visible at the qc step but appear on so many books that the qc people have been told not to kick them back for this reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Sqeggs said: It's possible that rings develop because slabs are squeezed together in the 20 slab shipping boxes. Again, CGC could test this possibility by mailing books across the country to see what happens. The book I posted earlier today was a single book submission, so it was shipped in a regular box, wrapped in bubble wrap and not pressed tightly against another book. I was picking up a SA slab a week ago. I grabbed it in the center, instead of the edges. I saw newton rings. I put the slab down, and they were gone. I think a small part of the problem might be from pressure applied to the center of the slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricksneatstuff Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I have had Newton rings on my last several submissions but I got a dozen books in on Monday with no rings. Hopefully this is resolved now. Hutch88 and gino2paulus2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuscemasAvengers Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Ricksneatstuff said: I have had Newton rings on my last several submissions but I got a dozen books in on Monday with no rings. Hopefully this is resolved now. I hope so Rick ... Don't want to send down my Young Allies 6 and my Mystic 15 until there's consistency in the slabs showing no rings ... Would be nice if over the next few weeks other boardies who get their slabs back could report here what they see ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuscemasAvengers Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Sqeggs said: Got this one back about a week ago. While not as awful as some of the books I posted earlier, if you look closely at the woman, you can see that it's still pretty bad. Rings or no rings, the reds, yellows and oranges are quite vivid on this book! Outstanding copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Sqeggs said: Got this one back about a week ago. While not as awful as some of the books I posted earlier, if you look closely at the woman, you can see that it's still pretty bad. On the plus side, at least it's another Matt Baker cover that ventures into SOTI territory, ...even if caused by a Newton Ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 14 hours ago, comicdonna said: 14 hours ago, Sqeggs said: It's possible that rings develop because slabs are squeezed together in the 20 slab shipping boxes. Again, CGC could test this possibility by mailing books across the country to see what happens. The book I posted earlier today was a single book submission, so it was shipped in a regular box, wrapped in bubble wrap and not pressed tightly against another book. I was picking up a SA slab a week ago. I grabbed it in the center, instead of the edges. I saw newton rings. I put the slab down, and they were gone. I think a small part of the problem might be from pressure applied to the center of the slab. That seems consistent with what someone (sorry that I'm forgetting who!) said that Matt Nelson indicated the problem was: Using slabs that were too thin for SA and GA books. With the thinner slabs, the inner sleeve is may be more likely to press against the inner wall of the slab, causing the rings. But if this is the source of the problem and it's been known for a while, it makes you wonder why they have still been shipping out books in -- apparently -- slabs that are too thin. comicdonna and 1950's war comics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Adam Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Took a shot of my ASM 50 from a different angle to give a better idea of the extent of the Newton Rings (and this was a single SS submission that was shipped solo). As you can see, for a comic meant to be shown off it is kinda fugly. comicdonna, Spaceguy and gino2paulus2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I recently won a modern book with horrible rings on the front side, but (incredibly) not a single ring on the reverse. Maybe CGC can just put the books in backward from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/19/2018 at 5:27 PM, Black_Adam said: Took a shot of my ASM 50 from a different angle to give a better idea of the extent of the Newton Rings (and this was a single SS submission that was shipped solo). As you can see, for a comic meant to be shown off it is kinda fugly. I haven't seen anything like that since the Exxon Valdez fiasco. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/20/2018 at 4:30 PM, Yorick said: I recently won a modern book with horrible rings on the front side, but (incredibly) not a single ring on the reverse. Maybe CGC can just put the books in backward from now on? You're definition of "winning" slightly differs from mine, but I'm getting a better grasp on a possible rationale for the more visibly prominent grade. With increased incidences of Newton Rings it's like saying "Don't look at the book, ...LOOK AT THE GRADE!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...