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MCU's SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME (2021?)
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On 1/3/2022 at 4:58 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

Spider-Man is the most popular comic book character on the planet and now dwarfs Batman and Superman in popularity.

But when it comes to telling the story of the Avengers in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel didn't need Spider-Man and still doesn't. 

Look at Spider-Man's Avengers appearances outside of the Home Trilogy. From Civil War to Endgame, the only purpose Peter Parker served was for Tony Stark to have someone to care about.

The Spider-Man Home Trilogy films have zero effect on the greater MCU, but the other MCU films affect the Spider-Man movies. 

Marvel wants Spider-Man because he's the most popular super-hero on the planet and he brings in the fans. But when it comes to telling the story of the Avengers or the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is what the MCU has been about so far, Marvel has never really needed him and still doesn't.

I absolutely agree with all your points. Well said.

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On 1/3/2022 at 8:58 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

Spider-Man is the most popular comic book character on the planet and now dwarfs Batman and Superman in popularity.

But when it comes to telling the story of the Avengers in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel didn't need Spider-Man and still doesn't. 

Look at Spider-Man's Avengers appearances outside of the Home Trilogy. From Civil War to Endgame, the only purpose Peter Parker served was for Tony Stark to have someone to care about.

The Spider-Man Home Trilogy films have zero effect on the greater MCU, but the other MCU films affect the Spider-Man movies. 

Marvel wants Spider-Man because he's the most popular super-hero on the planet and he brings in the fans. But when it comes to telling the story of the Avengers or the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is what the MCU has been about so far, Marvel has never really needed him and still doesn't.

The entire movie industry, not just the MCU, needs Spider-Man.  He makes money.  Your Eternals is estimated to lose at least $100 million.  An industry, even if the product is amazing, does not stay in business losing money like that consistently. 

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On 1/3/2022 at 5:49 AM, @therealsilvermane said:

Eternals does indeed play in the arena of "real cinema"

absolutely not.  its a popcorn movie.

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For all of the insults lobbed at The Dark Knight by silvermane, box office adjusted, it can stand head to head with every Marvel film. As for its reputation, it dwarfes about 98% of the MCU. 

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On 1/3/2022 at 3:11 PM, drotto said:

The entire movie industry, not just the MCU, needs Spider-Man.  He makes money.  Your Eternals is estimated to lose at least $100 million.  An industry, even if the product is amazing, does not stay in business losing money like that consistently. 

So the industry should make nothing but live action Spiderverse movies. Got it.

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The entire movie industry, not just the MCU, needs Spider-Man.  He makes money.  Your Eternals is estimated to lose at least $100 million.  An industry, even if the product is amazing, does not stay in business losing money like that consistently. 

Also the movie industry lost billions during the pandemic. I guess the movie industry just needs to shut it all down. Oh, except for Spider-Man movies.

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On 1/3/2022 at 4:12 PM, Larryw7 said:

For all of the insults lobbed at The Dark Knight by silvermane, box office adjusted, it can stand head to head with every Marvel film. As for its reputation, it dwarfes about 98% of the MCU. 

The Dark Knight Trilogy is reputable for one movie alone, the Heath Ledger movie. Other than that, it's just another super-hero movie franchise that lived long enough to become the villain because many fans were disappointed by the third movie. Every past super-hero movie franchise from Tobey Maguire Spider-Man to the Fox X-Men movies to DC's own ambitious movie universe have eventually flamed out in failure. Not the MCU.

Marvel Studios has made one relevant and successful super-hero movie after another. Its last movie is poised to become the biggest box office movie of all time (not counting for China and the pandemic) and everybody is talking about it. The MCU has dwarfed everything that came before or absorbs those past failures and makes them relevant again (like it just did with No Way Home). Warner Bros and Disney can make all the Batman and Star Wars movies they want. The MCU sits atop the pop culture mountain and will be there for a long long time.

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On 1/3/2022 at 5:57 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

Also the movie industry lost billions during the pandemic. I guess the movie industry just needs to shut it all down. Oh, except for Spider-Man movies.

No.  Spider-Man succeeded despite the pandemic. It shows that the movie industry (I fully acknowledge theaters were physically closed for a period) might be using the pandemic, at this point, to cover for the fact that they are not producing content that the general public wants.  Spider-Man proves you make a movie everyone likes and everyone wants to see, and it will still make tons of money. You keep making movies that put certain agendas as the number one focus ahead of storytelling and pleasing your audience, and they will not perform as well.  

 

Spider-Man gave us a hell of an entertaining movie, with a good story, good characters, and little to no agenda.  Movies that use that same basic formula will continue to bring people back to theaters, and continue to make lots of cash. Movies should bring people together, not separate them, especially with everything that has been going on the last two years. Spider-Man brought people together.

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On 1/3/2022 at 6:14 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

The Dark Knight Trilogy is reputable for one movie alone, the Heath Ledger movie. Other than that, it's just another super-hero movie franchise that lived long enough to become the villain because many fans were disappointed by the third movie. Every past super-hero movie franchise from Tobey Maguire Spider-Man to the Fox X-Men movies to DC's own ambitious movie universe have eventually flamed out in failure. Not the MCU.

Marvel Studios has made one relevant and successful super-hero movie after another. Its last movie is poised to become the biggest box office movie of all time (not counting for China and the pandemic) and everybody is talking about it. The MCU has dwarfed everything that came before or absorbs those past failures and makes them relevant again (like it just did with No Way Home). Warner Bros and Disney can make all the Batman and Star Wars movies they want. The MCU sits atop the pop culture mountain and will be there for a long long time.

What are you going to do when the MCU flames out? Go on a hunger strike? Besides, the MCU nearly flamed out this Fall. Spidey(and Sony) saved it two weeks ago.

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On 1/3/2022 at 5:29 PM, Larryw7 said:

No, Batman Begins is also a superior movie. Rises disappointed some fans(not me), but the general public liked it. 

begins is great, to me rises is even better.  the idea that nolan's trilogy has only one great film is preposterous.

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On 1/3/2022 at 6:14 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

The Dark Knight Trilogy is reputable for one movie alone, the Heath Ledger movie.

You are so brainwashed. When you graduate high school there is so much you are going to find out about the world.

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No, Batman Begins is also a superior movie. Rises disappointed some fans(not me), but the general public liked it. 

Batman Begins :cloud9:; for me it holds up better than S-M2 and that one is near the pinnacle of CB movies.

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Oh, I forgot one more excuse that has been used about low box offices lately.  NO CHINA!!!  Yes, Spider-Man is apparently getting a Chinese release, but it has done all this without China for now. So, you can not say those other MCU films failed because China said no.

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On 1/3/2022 at 6:33 PM, Larryw7 said:

What are you going to do when the MCU flames out? Go on a hunger strike? Besides, the MCU nearly flamed out this Fall. Spidey(and Sony) saved it two weeks ago.

Marvel movies were completely shut out of China in 2021. Even with that, the MCU's three films before No Way Home...a dead female Avenger, the first Asian super-hero, and a team of obscure superheroes that nobody cared about...were still among the top movies at the box office this year with Shang Chi shattering critical and box office expectations. On television, the MCU practically ruled streaming TV from WandaVision to Hawkeye. I still remember the day WandaVision first aired and the happiness it brought so many in seeing something familiar return in the height of the pandemic. I remember how, not long ago, Shang-Chi returned hope to a gloomy and pessimistic American movie theater industry crushed by non-attendance due to the pandemic. The MCU helped keep the world going during one of the world's darkest times in recent history and has given a lot of people hope that things will get back to normal.

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On 1/3/2022 at 7:10 PM, drotto said:

Oh, I forgot one more excuse that has been used about low box offices lately.  NO CHINA!!!  Yes, Spider-Man is apparently getting a Chinese release, but it has done all this without China for now. So, you can not say those other MCU films failed because China said no.

No Way Home still does not have a release date in China and will probably not get one. Marvel is banned in China apparently. I think it's because it's so popular there they don't want it cutting into their own movie business. 

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On 1/3/2022 at 5:22 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

No Way Home still does not have a release date in China and will probably not get one. Marvel is banned in China apparently.

Well it sure is a good thing it's a Sony movie not a Marvel movie. And all those other M She U movies in Phase Bore made a staggering -60 mil in debt for Marvel/Disney.

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On 1/3/2022 at 4:37 PM, Finhead said:

Well it sure is a good thing it's a Sony movie not a Marvel movie. And all those other M She U movies in Phase Bore made a staggering -60 mil in debt for Marvel/Disney.

s*** Chi, black widow and eternals def phase bore.

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