sfcityduck Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 58 minutes ago, vheflin said: There are Detectives from mid-1950 and #166 from December, 1950 so could there perhaps also be Crypt of Terror 17 or maybe Vault 12? Update: there's Marvel Boy 2 & Adventures Into Terror 44 both from February, 1951 so maybe there'll be good early EC and Atlas horror! They said no EC horror on the video. They talked a bit about Crime Patrol. vheflin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 1:14 PM, sfcityduck said: Could not agree more. I'm drawn to seeking books off the beaten path, and what drives me is history, cool art, my own tastes, and other factors which are not dictated by investment potential. It this hobby were, for me, only about investment potential I would not be spending so much time looking for books that have taken me years or more than a decade to find. Most of the threads I put up on this site are about the thrill and joy of finally finding the book I've been looking for or finding out some new information which I've wanted to know. Right on, brother... Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, szav said: About one week till showtime, bidding looks a bit tepid on what I’m tracking, many at 20 25% where I’d expect them to finish. Especially in terms of some of the rather lower than normal prices at this point in time as compared to past auctions that we are seeing on some of the non-Promise Collection GA books. Not sure if some of those consignors would be a bit worried at this point and wondering if their books are hitting the auction block at an inopportune time, given the unexpected but concurrent release of the Promise Collection books into the same auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, lou_fine said: Especially in terms of some of the rather lower than normal prices at this point in time as compared to past auctions that we are seeing on some of the non-Promise Collection GA books. Not sure if some of those consignors would be a bit worried at this point and wondering if their books are hitting the auction block at an inopportune time, given the unexpected but concurrent release of the Promise Collection books into the same auction. Not sure I'd want to consign any big dollar books to auction right now. Although I'm not seeing a lot of "fire sales" right now. I think people are taking a wait and see reaction to what these books will do to the market place. I wouldn't think they would have much of an effect on the shallow end of the pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 The Intelligent collector has a article on the "promise' collection. That is Ha's flagship magazine and it is of very high quality each issue. The estimate by Lon is 10M plus for the entire collection. Is there any link to the ED and Long show on the promise collection as I am trying to find it? If you get a chance look over that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, szav said: About one week till showtime, bidding looks a bit tepid on what I’m tracking, many at 20 - 25% where I’d expect them to finish, a few even at 10-15%. Who knows how it’ll turn out of course. Never know if people are a bit more restrained than usual just waiting to see how the first few go, hoping in vain that by keeping it low for now they’ll prevent what seemed like an inevitable premium. Still expect these to go to the moon, I assume disappointed under bidders on the big items will push up the lesser stuff as the look for consolation prizes etc. The GA market is big enough to take this collection in and still have a lot of gas in the tank for other great GA books to comic to market. I think the profile of the "promise" buyer is gonna a collector with vast knowledge and experience or a dealer who is going to buy a pile of them and hold on long terms 2-3 years and then reap the profits. They will probably win a Majority of the books because they recognize true long term value and won't be till the end , when the realization hits, that you need to get GA pedigree material now, as it does not grow on trees, so look for prices to ramp up at the very of the sale of these books. That being said, the majority of GA collectors are still there and I do not see any negative effects from the "promise" on that market and that type of buyer and given the good overall market conditions, I would not hesitate to sell during the next 18 months. The best thing I have heard so far is that some the" promise collection" will be in the Sunday auctions and potentially not even be graded by the CGC?. Famous Funnies..those could be real attainable to board members who thought they would have to sit on the sidelines and just watch. Those books and prices will be very interesting to see. I would immediately however, send that book along with proof of purchase to the CGC to document that it is a graded promise book which deserves the pedigree label. There could be some amazing upside to those purchases. Edited June 9, 2021 by Mmehdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCooper Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: Is there any link to the ED and Long show on the promise collection as I am trying to find it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQDeBNFtac szucchini and comicjack 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 4:17 PM, Mmehdy said: I think "Art" argument can also be made about the GA comic book and SA comic book in a way. The Mona Lisa is old but I agree great art is great art forever. Action #1 is the "Mona Lisa" of comic books clearly, AF 15 etc. I disagree with you Bookery that those GA/SA comic books will never go out of style and in fact increase in value, awareness, and appreciation for future generations. Tarzan is not Superman nor Spiderman. The collecting years you are comparing to, are ancient history. When you bought the ALL Story Tarzan..I thinks it #17. you bought and it and threw it away. Today, in the digital age, everything is saved or much easier for future generations to access or become engaged in. Bookery, the audience has grown...back in 1919 when that Tarzan mag hit the stands, it was in the USA we had 104.5 Million people..today at 331 million and overseas Billions the number of persons who could be interested is endless. Two ways to look at the coin, you say heads and I say tails. I think the future is brightest that it has ever been. Mitch, you've been consistently calling out the growing importance of classic comics and corresponding higher prices and I'd be tempted to call you a cheerleader but in all fairness, you've been right for decades. Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, szav said: About one week till showtime, bidding looks a bit tepid on what I’m tracking, many at 20 - 25% where I’d expect them to finish, a few even at 10-15%. Who knows how it’ll turn out of course. Never know if people are a bit more restrained than usual just waiting to see how the first few go, hoping in vain that by keeping it low for now they’ll prevent what seemed like an inevitable premium. Still expect these to go to the moon, I assume disappointed under bidders on the big items will push up the lesser stuff as the look for consolation prizes etc. I'm with you. We are about to fall UP a cliff, if such were possible Readcomix and szucchini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) Started to watch the HA podcast when shortly into it I spied a book at the top of the stack on the table that hasn't been posted to HA's site for sale yet Human Torch #23 well well well A little bit of detective work reveals it's a new census topping 9.8! beating out a new 9.6 that had been there for just the past 9 months, and which itself was upgraded from a previous 9.4 Also, there's a Promise Torch #24 9.6 coming as well You're welcome! @Cat-Man_America @bedrockcomics Also, it seems to me these are coming as well Detective #29 9.4 Detective #35 9.4 Batman #1 9.2 - it's new to the census, doesn't appear to be an upgrade, meaning no lesser label turned in yet, could it be anything other than a Promise? Edited June 9, 2021 by Dr. Love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter G Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) What is the guesstimate on the Contact 12 considering what the Mile High in lower grade sold for a short while ago ? Love that black cover. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-the-promise-collection-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7244-93052.s?ic2=mybidspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyBids-101116 ----- https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-mile-high-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-vf-nm-90-white-pages/a/7192-92062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Offers to date: $15,600 on December 23, 2020 Edited June 9, 2021 by Peter G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Dr. Love said: Also, it seems to me these are coming as well Detective #29 9.4 Detective #35 9.4 Batman #1 9.2 - it's new to the census, doesn't appear to be an upgrade, meaning no lesser label turned in yet, could it be anything other than a Promise? How sure are you that these 3 much earlier books would be from the Promise Collection since I believe they said the earliest books were probably from 1940 and mostly in lower graded condition as compared to the prime HG time period of 1944 going forward? I somehow highly doubt the 2 pre-Robin 'Tec books you mentioned would be part of the Promise Collection. Although Ed and Lon did mentioned a Batman 1, they were certainly not jumping up and down which they certainly would have been doing if it was anywhere close to coming in at a CGC 9.2 grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mmehdy said: I think the profile of the "promise" buyer is gonna a collector with vast knowledge and experience or a dealer who is going to buy a pile of them and hold on long terms 2-3 years and then reap the profits. They will probably win a Majority of the books because they recognize true long term value and won't be till the end , when the realization hits, that you need to get GA pedigree material now, as it does not grow on trees, so look for prices to ramp up at the very of the sale of these books. Although I would definitely agree wholeheartedly with you about the long term ongoing appeal for pedigree books like this Promise Collection, Edgar Church, Allentown books, etc. which you keep emphasizing, you seem to be forgetting about the other side of the equation here. This other side being in terms of picking up some of these books here at a reasonable price instead of going totally blue sky and paying outrageous astronomical prices just to acquire a particular copy from this collection. Especially since as history has clearly shown us here, even books from the Edgar Church Mile High collection has ended up selling for only a small fraction of their initial sale price if the original buyer had over paid for their copy in the first place. Take for example the 'Tec 140 which Ed himself thought it would only go for something like $150K and like he said in the video, it's already sitting there at $162K with another week to go. Now, some of the boardies here are talking about a $250K end price, with some going even as far as $500K for this book here. How much profit will the buyer really be reaping if they end up paying $500K for the book next week, instead of the original estimate of only $150K or thereabouts? Edited June 9, 2021 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter G Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, lou_fine said: Although I would definitely agree wholeheartedly with you about the long term ongoing appeal for pedigree books like this Promise Collection, Edgar Church, Allentown books, etc. which you keep emphasizing, you seem to be forgetting about the other side of the equation here. This other side being in terms of picking up some of these books here at a reasonable price instead of going totally blue sky and paying outrageous astronomical prices just to acquire a particular copy from this collection. Especially since as history has clearly shown us here, even books from the Edgar Church Mile High collection has ended up selling for only a small fraction of their initial sale price if the original buyer had oberpaid for their copy in the first place. Take for example the 'Tec 140 which Ed himself though it would only go for sometjing like $150K and like he said in the video, it's already sitting there at $162K with another week to go. Now, some of the boardies here are talking about a $250K end price, with some going even as far as $500K for this book here. How much profit will the buyer really be reaping if they end up paying $500K for the book next week, instead of the original estimate of only $150K or thereabouts? Tec 140 is a Million $ book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter G said: What is the guesstimate on the Contact 12 considering what the Mile High in lower grade sold for a short while ago ? Love that black cover. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-the-promise-collection-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7244-93052.s?ic2=mybidspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyBids-101116 ----- https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-mile-high-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-vf-nm-90-white-pages/a/7192-92062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Offers to date: $15,600 on December 23, 2020 I'm going for 25k one of Cole's best imho Peter G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter G said: What is the guesstimate on the Contact 12 considering what the Mile High in lower grade sold for a short while ago ? Love that black cover. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-the-promise-collection-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7244-93052.s?ic2=mybidspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyBids-101116 ----- https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/contact-comics-12-mile-high-pedigree-aviation-press-1946-cgc-vf-nm-90-white-pages/a/7192-92062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Offers to date: $15,600 on December 23, 2020 With the offers to date, you never know. The seller could be making an offer on his own book to try to influence people's perceptions of the value. szucchini, Peter G and Funnybooks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innocuous Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Mmehdy said: Those books and prices will be very interesting to see. I would immediately however, send that book along with proof of purchase to the CGC to document that it is a graded promise book which deserves the pedigree label Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, lou_fine said: How sure are you that these 3 much earlier books would be from the Promise Collection since I believe they said the earliest books were probably from 1940 and mostly in lower graded condition as compared to the prime HG time period of 1944 going forward? I somehow highly doubt the 2 pre-Robin 'Tec books you mentioned would be part of the Promise Collection. Although Ed and Lon did mentioned a Batman 1, they were certainly not jumping up and down which they certainly would have been doing if it was anywhere close to coming in at a CGC 9.2 grade. well it's more of abductive reasoning, I think it's called saw the Torch on the table, found out the only recent high grade was a 9.8 graded last week, so it must be a Promise. Found out these other uber grades came out last week, so...they're Promises too? Edited June 9, 2021 by Dr. Love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dr. Love said: well it's more of abductive reasoning, I think it's called saw the Torch on the table, found out the only recent high grade was a 9.8 graded last week, so it must be a Promise. Found out these other uber grades came out last week, so...they're Promises too? They're not Promises. There's an even bigger book that's going to pop up from that submission that everyone is going to wet their pants about. aardvark88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, buttock said: They're not Promises. There's an even bigger book that's going to pop up from that submission that everyone is going to wet their pants about. how in heck does a guy like you know things like this? Peter G and Bumble Kitty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
