Are prices still climbing or have they eased up a bit??? 43 43

[StillOnly25Cents]

On 7/15/2022 at 4:31 PM, Ed Hanes said:

well, I said I wanted to unload these to buy Romita ASM high grade covers (read the entire post)...and I haven't seen anything on a commitment to bringing both to the MCU...just conjecture, but if you have other published information, please share

I can respect anyone who wants to acquire JRS ASM but if you think X-Men and FF in the MCU is just conjecture (characters have already been introduced) and you need me to provide more proof I'll probably have to move on from the conversation with you

maybe Disney acquired 20th Century Fox for 71.3 billion just for Freddy Got Fingered

[Ed Hanes]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:43 PM, Pantodude said:

As good a reason as any, have the hobby fund itself.   I need to try that more consistently.  But regarding X-Men in the MCU, you didn't get the memo? post redacted . .

ahhh, okay, thanks for the easter eggs...I saw the last episode but TBH, I don't know much about Ms Marvel's background and I don't really know much about X-men  (or FF) ..I guess I am mostly a Spiderman fan 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Ed Hanes

[Pantodude]

On 7/15/2022 at 5:51 PM, Ed Hanes said:

ahhh, okay, thanks for the easter eggs...I saw the last episode but TBH, I don't know much about Ms Marvel's background and I don't really know much about X-men  (or FF) ..I guess I am mostly a Spiderman fan 

Oh boy!  I revised my post to use a spoiler-prevention hidden message!  You quoted the original thing!    Not my fault.  

Edited July 15, 2022 by Pantodude

[Ed Hanes]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:52 PM, Pantodude said:

Oh boy!  I revised my post to use a spoiler-prevention hidden message!  You quoted the original thing!    Not my fault.  

I redacted your post ...you're safe now

[Ed Hanes]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:51 PM, StillOnly25Cents said:

I can respect anyone who wants to acquire JRS ASM but if you think X-Men and FF in the MCU is just conjecture (characters have already been introduced) and you need me to provide more proof I'll probably have to move on from the conversation with you

maybe Disney acquired 20th Century Fox for 71.3 billion just for Freddy Got Fingered

oh , right...I totally forgot about Mr Fantastic, Black Bolt and Charles Xavier in the Dr. Strange Movie..okay, I stand corrected

[XxSpideyxX]

On 7/15/2022 at 5:31 PM, Ed Hanes said:

well, I said I wanted to unload these to buy Romita ASM high grade covers (read the entire post)...and I haven't seen anything on a commitment to bringing both to the MCU...just conjecture, but if you have other published information, please share

Why Romita ASM covers?  Other than them being awesome art.  Lol.

[october]

On 7/15/2022 at 4:27 PM, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

 I’m an analog guy who knows nothing of this Instagram world.

Wise

[Ed Hanes]

On 7/15/2022 at 4:02 PM, XxSpideyxX said:

Why Romita ASM covers?  Other than them being awesome art.  Lol.

I was a kid in the 70s and 80s that only read Spider-Man … I have ASM from 2 and up but wanting to get all the Romita covers in as high grades possible that I can afford (around 8.0)  .. up to 101 … I already have all the Ditkos in grades I want … and yes,  because they are great covers and one of the most consistent great runs in the comic book world  

Edited July 15, 2022 by Ed Hanes

[djzombi]

On 7/9/2022 at 1:44 PM, lou_fine said:

 

when the Afterlife Archie titles came out a few years ago, as I had always liked the Archie character and the Riverdale TV show was just starting up and thought their take on the characters were rather interesting at the time.  

Afterlife with Archie is REALLY GOOD.  

[djzombi]

On 7/12/2022 at 4:43 PM, Beastfeast said:

Also, weren't those books HUGE successes as far as specs go?  If you sold back then, you killed it.  If you held, well, you still did ok.  

Over my collecting "career," I've rarely sold books that weren't duplicates.  However, the Valiant madness was an exception.  I sold all the pre-Unity Valiant books I had during the peak of said madness, and made a tidy profit.  A little over a decade later, I replaced them in my collection at, in many cases, below cover price.

[lou_fine]

On 7/15/2022 at 8:36 AM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

On 7/15/2022 at 6:58 AM, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Is it just my imagination, or does every outlet/auction list about 10 AF 15’s for sale?

Maybe a slight exaggeration, but yes they seem to be falling off trees.

Well, as we all know here, SA Marvel super-hero books are definitely not a real challenge to acquire as a complete set of them can be acquire in mere days as long as you are willing to open up your wallet and not looking for only HG copies. 

Definitely not the case for HTF GA books, especially for ones from outside the Big 2 publishers, with some books taking years (if ever) to find their way into the marketplace, and then only if you are lucky enough to be in the right place and time to spot them.  

[piper]

On 7/15/2022 at 5:37 PM, lou_fine said:

Well, as we all know here, SA Marvel super-hero books are definitely not a real challenge to acquire as a complete set of them can be acquire in mere days as long as you are willing to open up your wallet and not looking for only HG copies. 

Definitely not the case for HTF GA books, especially for ones from outside the Big 2 publishers, with some books taking years (if ever) to find their way into the marketplace, and then only if you are lucky enough to be in the right place and time to spot them.  

And have the money at the right time…

There’s been more than a few times where I bought a big book only to see something scarce on my want list & desired grade become available.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:36 PM, piper said:

And have the money at the right time…

There’s been more than a few times where I bought a big book only to see something scarce on my want list & desired grade become available.

Amen

[dikran]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:05 PM, Ed Hanes said:

oh , right...I totally forgot about Mr Fantastic, Black Bolt and Charles Xavier in the Dr. Strange Movie..okay, I stand corrected

Also Disney outright said FF movie was coming during Investor Day 2019 or 2020…

[Pantodude]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:37 PM, lou_fine said:

Well, as we all know here, SA Marvel super-hero books are definitely not a real challenge to acquire as a complete set of them can be acquire in mere days as long as you are willing to open up your wallet and not looking for only HG copies. 

Definitely not the case for HTF GA books, especially for ones from outside the Big 2 publishers, with some books taking years (if ever) to find their way into the marketplace, and then only if you are lucky enough to be in the right place and time to spot them.  

That's not entirely accurate or fair.   There are Marvel SA super-hero books that appear to be as hard or harder to find (even in the lowest grades) than the GA keys.  The complete set of a specific Marvel SA issue includes the cents and pence version, as they were printed at the same time/place.  Where can I find for sale now or in an upcoming auction a U.K. price variant (slabbed or raw, univeral or restored, and in ANY grade) of Incredible Hulk #1 or #2?   Or Amazing Spider-Man #2?  Or Tales to Astonish #27?  Or Tales of Suspense #39? Or Journey into Mystery #83?  Or Fantastic Four #2 or #5?  It is practically impossible to complete a UK price variant run (in any grade) of the Marvel keys in Overstreet's top 50 SA, even with deep pockets and years of hunting.  Maybe someone (in the UK?) could make a decent dent in such a run, but it would be difficult.    

By comparison, Pep comics 22, TEC 27, 28, 36, and 37, Action Comics 1, 2, 3, 4, and 10, Archie Comics 1, Batman 1, Superman 1, More Fun Comics 52, All Star Comics 8, Green Lantern 1, and All-American Comics 16, are all for sale on eBay right now.  And a Captain America Comics 1 and 2, Adventure Comcis #40, Action Comics 13 (3 of them!) and another More Fun Comics 52 will be in an upcoming ComicConnect auction.  There's even several Punch Comics #12 on Heritage (either for sale now or in an upcoming auction).  Apparently, one could acquire a significant portion of Overstreet's top 50 GA right now, assuming a deep pocket, of course.  Other GA books are certainly very difficult to find at this time, if at all, but so are certain Marvel SA super-hero books.    

So, for those who want it, there is legit rarity in Marvel SA super-hero books.  

Edited July 16, 2022 by Pantodude

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:55 PM, Pantodude said:

There's even several Punch Comics #12 on Heritage (either for sale now or in an upcoming auction). 

 

What grades?

 

[Nick Furious]

I understand why everyone would be speculating on X-men and FF inclusion in the MCU.  But if everyone is speculating on it, don't we reach a point where that inclusion is factored into the Fair Market Value?  I also question if MCU inclusion will continue to carry the same weight and command the same premium over non-MCU screen exposure for other characters (particularly DC characters)?  Is it possible that the MCU premium could have nearly peaked with End Game and got an additional boost from a lockdown that put everyone into a mindset that valued an entertainment based universe over tangible things in the real world?  I'm not saying that I'm above speculating on MCU inclusion, but I'm thinking probably future FMV will be based on 3 things: 1)  Degree of MCU inclusion, 2) ongoing premium value of MCU brand, and 3) big picture economic environment locally and globally?   

[sfcityduck]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:55 PM, Pantodude said:

The complete set of a specific Marvel SA issue includes the cents and pence version, as they were printed at the same time/place. 

They were printed in different print runs.  And they were sold in different countries. So they are two different sets: (1) The U.S. set and (2) the U.K. set. An analogy.

As an aside: FDR was the leader of the U.S. and Churchill the leader of the U.K. despite the fact that they both had American mothers. What matters is not where you start out, but where you end up. Otherwise, a lot of "U.S. comics" these days would be deemed foreign issues because while they were sold in the U.S., they were printed outside of it.

[Pantodude]

On 7/16/2022 at 1:38 AM, sfcityduck said:

hey were printed in different print runs.  And they were sold in different countries. So they are two different sets: (1) The U.S. set and (2) the U.K. set.

Hi.  Respectfully, you are mistaken, apparently due to a common misunderstanding.  While one is free conceptually to treat them as different sets (they are variants, after all!), it is a mistake to suggest they are not part of the same release.  The UK price variants are a tiny subset of the original print run (when the printing plate was modified for the changes to the cover for the pence or cents version), after which the variants were set aside for the trip across the Atlantic.  This could explain why so few of them survived in high grade.  So they are Type 1A price variants, and a Tales of Suspense #39 UKPV is just as much the 1st appearance of Iron Man as the cents version and vice versa. One could prefer one over the other, but that fact remains.  You can research UK price variants anywhere, but ideally here at threads dedicated to UK price variants, like this one: 

A more apt analogy:  35-cent price variants.  They too were a tiny subset of the original print run and set aside to be sold in select markets (but this time to test viability of a price increase).  And they too are considered the 1st appearance (where the issue had one) just as much as the regularly-priced version and vice versa.  In this regard (i.e., tiny subset of original print run), they are indistinguishable from UK price variants.  

Hope that helps, but we shouldn't hijack this thread.  Feel free to visit the above-referenced Marvel UKPV thread if you have any questions about UK price variants.  It is as well-hosted as you will find!    

Edited July 16, 2022 by Pantodude

[Pantodude]

Overall, prices have certainly eased up a bit across the Ages (GA, SA, BA, CA, etc) since the beginning of the year, although it's harder to tell with GA books due to both the paucity of recent data and few data points in general.  And despite overall trends, there are pockets in each Age that outperform.  But someone  (ehem )  pooh-poohed Marvel SA super-hero keys as longer-term investments based on a relative-scarcity argument.  The argument might be intuitively appealing (if you ignore the demand side of things), so I thought it would be worth exploring. 

All the ages have their gems, some less common than others.  The top GA keys tended to have higher FMVs than the top Marvel SA keys (and that is unlikely to change any time soon!).  But since we need to distinguish FMV from the appreciation that FMV has undergone, let's look at the appreciation of the top 12 GA keys (as ranked by Overstreet 2019-2020) relative to their top 12 SA Marvel keys from about 2016 to 2022.  

Top 12 GA issues (Overstreet) grade approx FMV pre-2017 year sold   approx FMV 2022 actual date sold % change Action Comics 1 8.5 1750000 5/1/2013   3250000 4/7/2021 85.71% Action Comics 1 3.0 498750 1/20/2016   1638759 12/15/2021 228.57% Detective Comics 27 5.0 710000 5/19/2017   1125000 6/17/2021 58.45% Superman 1 4.0 295000 1/22/2016   815000 6/11/2022 176.27% Superman 1 1.5 71700 11/19/2015   198600 6/16/2022 176.99% Superman 1 1.0 64600 3/30/2017   141450 3/19/2022 118.96% Batman 1 4.5 129000 6/7/2016   345000 6/8/2022 167.44% Batman 1 2.5 48500 10/9/2015   270000 3/16/2022 456.70% All-American Comics 16 3.5 66000 3/24/2017   72000 9/10/2020 9.09% Marvel Comics 1 NG coverless 7000 avg 2015-2017   40800 1/14/2022 482.86% Action Comics 7 4.0 125000 5/9/2017   144000 11/19/2020 15.20% Action Comics 7 1.8 50000 6/20/2016   30000 6/17/2022 -40.00% Captain America Comics 1 7.0 94000 9/27/2013   312000 5/12/2022 231.91% Captain America Comics 1 1.0 36000 7/6/2017   70000 9/10/2021 94.44% Pep Comics 22 5.0 50000 9/22/2010   91000 12/14/2018 82.00% Action Comics 10 3.0 23900 2/20/2015   28800 6/18/2021 20.50% All Star Comics 8 9.4 936223 8/27/2017   1620000 6/16/2022 73.04% All Star Comics 8 5.0 61000 6/10/2016   93500 2/8/2022 53.28% All Star Comics 8 4.0 31070 8/4/2016   55200 6/17/2022 77.66% Detective Comics 31 5.0 87000 10/2/2015   132000 11/19/2020 51.72% Detective Comics 31 2.5 42000 6/12/2015   87000 9/8/2021 107.14%                             GA AVERAGE 129.90%                 Top 12 Marvel SA issues (Overstreet) grade approx FMV pre-2017 year sold   approx FMV 2022 (most recent) actual date sold % change  Amazing Fantasy 15 7.5 82500 2016   216000 6/16/2022 161.82% Amazing Fantasy 15 5.5 30000 2016   75000 6/17/2022 150.00% Amazing Fantasy 15 4.5 16750 2016   60000 6/8/2022 258.21% Incredible Hulk 1 8.5 132000 2016   245000 3/17/2022 85.61% Incredible Hulk 1 7.5 38000 2016   108100 6/9/2022 184.47% Incredible Hulk 1 5.5 17000 2016   54000 5/1/2022 217.65% Fantastic Four 1 9.0 150000 2016   420000 6/16/2022 180.00% Fantastic Four 1 7.0 21500 2016   81000 6/17/2022 276.74% Fantastic Four 1 5.0 7500 2016   57600 6/18/2022 668.00% Journey into Mystery 83 9.0 45000 2015   105000 6/16/2022 133.33% Journey into Mystery 83 7.0 9500 2016   62500 6/10/2022 557.89% Journey into Mystery 83 5.0 4750 2016   19200 7/10/2022 304.21% Amaazing Spider-Man 1 7.5 12759 2016   56400 6/17/2022 342.04% Amaazing Spider-Man 1 6.0 8000 2016   32000 6/8/2022 300.00% Amaazing Spider-Man 1 5.0 6000 2016   20400 7/3/2022 240.00% X-men 1 9.2 52500 2016   204000 6/16/2022 288.57% X-men 1 7.0 8000 2016   40800 6/18/2022 410.00% X-men 1 5.0 3750 2016   19200 6/13/2022 412.00% Tales of Suspense 39 8.5 27000 2016   99000 11/18/2021 266.67% Tales of Suspense 39 7.5 9560 2016   40800 6/17/2022 326.78% Tales of Suspense 39 5.0 4750 2016   15001 6/11/2022 215.81% Tales to Astonish 27 9.0 34000 2015   66000 6/16/2022 94.12% Tales to Astonish 27 7.5 9560 2016   16000 6/11/2022 67.36% Tales to Astonish 27 5.0 3000 2015   9223 5/22/2022 207.43% Avengers 1 8.5 13500 2016   32400 5/12/2022 140.00% Avengers 1 7.0 5975 2016   11211 6/27/2022 87.63% Avengers 1 5.0 3000 2016   6672 6/8/2022 122.40% Fantastic Four 5 9.2 19000 2016   150150 4/7/2022 690.26% Fantastic Four 5 7.0 4150 2015   36000 6/17/2022 767.47% Fantastic Four 5 5.5 1800 2016   21000 7/3/2022 1066.67% Strange Tales 110 9.2 27500 2017   72000 6/17/2022 161.82% Strange Tales 110 7.0 5000 2016   11374 6/11/2022 127.48% Strange Tales 110 5.0 2000 2016   5016 7/3/2022 150.80% Fantastic Four 2 8.0 4000 2017   9300 6/18/2022 132.50% Fantastic Four 2 7.0 1750 2015   5200 6/9/2022 197.14% Fantastic Four 2 4.5 725 2016   3350 6/20/2022 362.07%                             SA AVERAGE: 287.64%

This is not a perfect exercise...just a suggestion of the relative performance of the top key books of these two ages.  Where available re 2016 vs 2022, I tried to provide data for 3 grades for each issue, prioritizing data for June/July 2022 to better reflect the impact of recent economic events.  To be clear, I tried to use grades for which I had BOTH 2016 (or thereabouts) and 2022 (or thereabouts) data, which explains the fewer entries for the GA books.  As expected, with SA books, I was able to report 3 grades per issue and include mostly June/July 2022 data.  By contrast, for the GA, I often reported fewer than three grades per issue and had fewer June/July 2022 data.  Folks might have different or additional data about certain grades (ideally from 2016 vs 2022), so feel free to PM me with those so we don't clutter this thread. 

The above suggests that these Marvel SA super-hero keys not only hold their own as longer-term investments, but also outperformed GA keys since 2015/2016 despite using the most recent June/July 2022 data for practically all of the Marvel SA books.  Considering how well early Spideys and FFs have done the last few years (not reflected by Overstreet...yet), I suspect the disparity could be even greater if you expand the exercise to the top 50 GA/SA.  Food for thought.     

Edited July 16, 2022 by Pantodude