The $3.12 million Cap 1 sale makes me ask again: Where will this book stand in the GA hierarchy? 6 6

[Crowzilla]

On 4/12/2022 at 9:54 PM, Krydel4 said:

Bats 1 has the greatest comic book villain of all time in the Jokers first appearance, the Origin of Batman, and Catwomans first appearance. Those 3 factors put it ahead of Cap 1 (and Superman 1, in my opinion, as it's just reprinted material.)

Superman #1 isn't just reprinted material. Why do people keep saying that? it's also the first appearance of the Kents as well as the first time the planet Krypton is named.

As the first comic devoted solely to a single superhero, it's incredible important (yes, Skippy was the first book of a single character, and that was so successful that they waited five years before trying it again here).

 

[Mmehdy]

On 4/12/2022 at 2:24 PM, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

I believe there was a day when Feature Book #26 beat both Action 1 and Tec 27! 

yes along with 4/color4 Donald Duck and FC 9 Flash Gordon

here is my 2030 prediction as to the top 5

Action 1-still the king and always be

D27 a very very close second, almost a tie

Captain America 1...after the 9.8 sale

Superman 1...just not that many high grade copies out there, its gonna fade

Batman 1--great book, its price gets even closer to Superman 1

[Krydel4]

On 4/12/2022 at 8:49 PM, Crowzilla said:

Superman #1 isn't just reprinted material. Why do people keep saying that? it's also the first appearance of the Kents as well as the first time the planet Krypton is named.

As the first comic devoted solely to a single superhero, it's incredible important (yes, Skippy was the first book of a single character, and that was so successful that they waited five years before trying it again here).

 

My bad. I always forget it has the Kent's and Krypton. If it had the first appearance of Lex Luthor in it then it would definitely be top 3. 

[BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES]

On 4/12/2022 at 3:42 PM, jimbo_7071 said:

Weren't there a *spoon* Tracy Feature book and a Dumbo paint book that were also pretty hot items? Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot is still on my want list, too, but I might be one of the last collectors alive who is still a fan of that book. I never hear it mentioned.

Cap #3 might be an important book, but it's pretty common compared to Batman #1 and Supes #1, isn't it? So it's hard to see it eclipsing those in value any time soon.

Also, Captain America seems to have the same image problem that Superman does: he's a bit too much of a goody-goody. Younger collectors seem to be more into Batman, Spider-Man, Deadpool, Wolverine . . . edgier characters, so I really don't know what Cap's prospects are over the long haul. Time will tell, I guess.

I used to say Cap 3 was an important book and was told "nobody cares", then after I sold mine I got call asking if I had any more and confirmed I did not.  Then I heard the guy shout to someone "all clear to raise the values on cap 3!"

 

Edited April 13, 2022 by BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES

[Primetime]

On 4/12/2022 at 8:49 PM, Crowzilla said:

Superman #1 isn't just reprinted material. Why do people keep saying that? it's also the first appearance of the Kents as well as the first time the planet Krypton is named.

As the first comic devoted solely to a single superhero, it's incredible important (yes, Skippy was the first book of a single character, and that was so successful that they waited five years before trying it again here).

 

Agreed, Sean. Plus, the rarity factor is also there with Supe 1...It's earlier too, 1939. Supe 1 - never owned; same for Tec 27 and Action 1. That said, the Joker and Catwoman have always scored some major 1st appearance points with Bat 1. But, I'm a Timely guy, so it's Marvel 1 for me. I like Cap 1, but I don't love it. I have swapped Bat 1 for Cap 1 (and vice versa) twice in my career to experience both. The Reilly Cap 1 was unseen since the late 70s/early 80s, and has since sold publicly twice in the last two years. It's always fun to see a comic book hit 7 figures. 

[Aman619]

the thing we can't forget when suddenly elevating Cap 1 higher on the list is that the copy was a 9.4. The only other 9.4 that has sold of the books on the list is the Batman 1 last year.  I have no doubt that it's now worth closer to 4M now. And jeez, how much does anyone here think a 9.4 Action 1, Tec 27 or Superman 1 would sell for?   Or, forget the actual grade and, as the Second Highest graded/known copy,  compare it to the Second Highest graded/known copies of each book:  9.0 Action 1, 9.2 Tec 27, 8.0/8.5 Superman 1 and 9.4 Batman 1.   Each of these would or "maybe" already has smashed Cap's 3.2M!  So to me, good for Cap 1. Smashed a home run. but lets let the other big boys step up to the plate again now and see what they go for before we jump Cap 1 in 3rd place or higher.

[jimbo_7071]

On 4/13/2022 at 12:53 AM, BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES said:

I used to say Cap 3 was an important book and was told "nobody cares", then after I sold mine I got call asking if I had any more and confirmed I did not.  Then I heard the guy shout to someone "all clear to raise the values on cap 3!"

I don't know why I typed Cap #3; I meant Cap #1.

As for Cap #3, it's an unimportant book, and if you get stuck with another one, you should sell it to me for guide.

I have a copy of the guide in case you ever need me to look up the price for you.

[tth2]

On 4/13/2022 at 12:22 PM, Mmehdy said:

 

here is my 2030 prediction as to the top 5

Action 1-still the king and always be

D27 a very very close second, almost a tie

Captain America 1...after the 9.8 sale

Superman 1...just not that many high grade copies out there, its gonna fade

Batman 1--great book, its price gets even closer to Superman 1

Thanks for going out on a limb there. 

[tth2]

On 4/13/2022 at 12:53 PM, BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES said:

Then I heard the guy shout to someone "all clear to raise the values on cap 3!"

 

Was the guy on the phone Mitch “The Market Maker” Mehdy?

[lighthouse]

On 4/13/2022 at 2:36 AM, Aman619 said:

the thing we can't forget when suddenly elevating Cap 1 higher on the list is that the copy was a 9.4. The only other 9.4 that has sold of the books on the list is the Batman 1 last year.  I have no doubt that it's now worth closer to 4M now. And jeez, how much does anyone here think a 9.4 Action 1, Tec 27 or Superman 1 would sell for?   Or, forget the actual grade and, as the Second Highest graded/known copy,  compare it to the Second Highest graded/known copies of each book:  9.0 Action 1, 9.2 Tec 27, 8.0/8.5 Superman 1 and 9.4 Batman 1.   Each of these would or "maybe" already has smashed Cap's 3.2M!  So to me, good for Cap 1. Smashed a home run. but lets let the other big boys step up to the plate again now and see what they go for before we jump Cap 1 in 3rd place or higher.

Completely agree with this.

I was the consignor on the $1.5m FF 1. For a short time I get to brag that I have a tied for all-time top 10 highest price ever paid in a public sale. And while I’ve described it that way, that copy of FF 1 isn’t even in the top 100 most valuable comics. It may not be in the top 200. It’s one of the few in the top 400 or so that have recently changed hands, and the market responded to it.

I’ve told many folks in my circle since the auction ended Thursday that just because you see some record broken, don’t leap to the conclusion that said book is the top of the mountain. If the “best” copy of Action 1 came to market today and sold for $25m, I wouldn’t even blink. Heck I’d probably think that was light.

If you’re comparing where Supes1, Bat 1, Cap 1, etc compare to each other, compare coverless copies rather than this 9.4 vs that 8.5. How hard do people go for a coverless copy just to join the ownership club? Much truer test. And by that measure Cap lags behind. 

[Rip]

On 4/12/2022 at 9:22 PM, Mmehdy said:

yes along with 4/color4 Donald Duck and FC 9 Flash Gordon

here is my 2030 prediction as to the top 5

Action 1-still the king and always be

D27 a very very close second, almost a tie

Captain America 1...after the 9.8 sale

Superman 1...just not that many high grade copies out there, its gonna fade

Batman 1--great book, its price gets even closer to Superman 1

I don't ever see Cap 1 Beating Sups 1. Especially after today announcement of the Church 8.0 copy selling for 5.3 mil.

From my understanding there are at least 2 better copies of Sups 1 out there as well.

[sfcityduck]

CA 1 does not make my top five.  The MH Superman sale just confirms what we already know about that book - it is a solid no. 3 in price.  

 

[Crowzilla]

Just imagine how much more the Cap1 would have sold for if the Superman #1 sale had been public knowledge before the auction.

Even Mitch "Criswell" Mehdy said yesterday Superman will fade and that Cap is #3 now, so if an 8.0 8.5 Superman #1 is worth 5 mil, the Cap is probably a 6-8 million book today.

[Robot Man]

Don’t we already know Supe will always kick Cap’s butt? 

[Bronty]

1939 vs 1941... nuff said.     Its pretty similar to comparing a 1964 marvel to a 1962 marvel.    Even if the '64 character gets hot, its got an uphill climb to catch up value wise.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Bronty

[sfcityduck]

On 4/13/2022 at 12:04 PM, Bronty said:

1939 vs 1941... nuff said.     Its pretty similar to comparing a 1964 marvel to a 1962 marvel.    Even if the '64 character gets hot, its got an uphill climb to catch up value wise.

Never heard that analogy made, and it is a great one.  So true.

[Bronty]

On 4/13/2022 at 3:08 PM, sfcityduck said:

Never heard that analogy made, and it is a great one.  So true.

Thanks.   You know, it just kind of occurred to me one day when I was trying to understand why Cap 1 was a relatively common GA key.    Those first couple years in the GA and SA were hugely transformative and a book from the beginning of that period, in each case, is a very different animal from a book at the end of those couple years.  

[VintageComics]

On 4/12/2022 at 8:23 PM, Primetime said:

Let's not forget Marvel Comics #1 - "The Greatest Comic Book Ever Published" 

@CW @BitterOldMan @shortboxed @Ameri @VintageComics

Hey buddy. Sorry, I haven't been around here much. 

Yep, to me Marvel #1 is my favorite book of all time. I never dreamed about owning other GA keys but I always dreamed of owning a Marvel #1. 

[Bronty]

On 4/13/2022 at 4:54 PM, VintageComics said:

Hey buddy. Sorry, I haven't been around here much. 

Yep, to me Marvel #1 is my favorite book of all time. I never dreamed about owning other GA keys but I always dreamed of owning a Marvel #1. 

congrats on brokering the big sale

[EastEnd1]

On 4/13/2022 at 1:45 PM, Robot Man said:

Don’t we already know Supe will always kick Cap’s butt? 

Agreed, wouldn't be much of a fight... Superman would just throw Cap into the sun.  

Oh wait, that was how Superman was supposed to beat the Hulk when we argued about it in second grade.