Heritage June Auction 7 7

[batman_fan]

On 5/18/2022 at 2:34 PM, Bronty said:

 

To illustrate with examples, the image in my avatar is airbrush.   The image in batman_fan's avatar is a traditional brush painting and VERY cool.   The image in Rick2you2's is a colored drawing.    They are all different processes that lead to different results.

FTFY

[Bronty]

On 5/18/2022 at 5:08 PM, wurstisart said:

Interesting. Thanks for your explanation.

I guess the part that still does not make sense to me is that the other covers were also colored after the fact,

Just like every piece of comic art.

The other DKR cover however were not colored over the original inks. In the end it is the same thing, I get it.

So to me it is still unclear why this was done over the pencils / inked piece.

Knowing that this wanted look is usually done afterwards anyways - why deciding doing this one over the inked piece.

I am not questioning the authenticity of this legendary piece.

With all due respect, I don't think you do get it.    The published cover wouldn't look the way it looks if they colored it the way comics are usually colored.

If you did this cover comic book style, you'd see black lines around the lightning branches to separate the white from the blue and you wouldn't have the same degree of smooth color gradations on the background.    

Edited May 18, 2022 by Bronty

[Bronty]

On 5/18/2022 at 5:12 PM, batman_fan said:

FTFY

Apologies, and thanks for fixing my oversight

[RBerman]

Is it a simple image? Yes. Does its value largely derive from the significance of the story to which it is attached? Yes. But it's also an iconic cover that spawns new homages every year, perhaps every month, in published books.

[Mighty Hal]

On 5/18/2022 at 5:08 AM, drdonaldblake1 said:

Grail of grails for many

Fasten your seatbelts folks, 6 million is possible.....

I agree, it's an iconic image. I'll still take the under.

[skrilla1212]

Don’t know if it matters for those that don’t like it, but there was literally a new book today stealing this motif (of the 20 or so new comics Amazon pushes digitally), 

[Brian Peck]

On 5/9/2022 at 12:57 AM, Brian Peck said:

Metal Men #6 (2020) by George Perez is in the auction. I think this is George's last published work.  Ooops not in signature but in the nest Wednesday HA auction.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/george-perez-metal-men-6-variant-cover-original-art-dc-comics-2020-/p/322220-38002.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515#

Wow $7800 tonight

 

[wurstisart]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:23 PM, Bronty said:

With all due respect, I don't think you do get it.    The published cover wouldn't look the way it looks if they colored it the way comics are usually colored.

If you did this cover comic book style, you'd see black lines around the lightning branches to separate the white from the blue and you wouldn't have the same degree of smooth color gradations on the background.    

I am pretty sure I get it, but your explanation does not apply to my question or comment at all, but please let us not start a heated discussion, that was and is not my intention. Simply put, why was only this cover colored over the pencil and ink version?

The explanation was not given yet and we all probably don’t have the answer, unless we say, we don’t know.
And here is why, at least in my view.

So who colored the DKR 1 cover - directly over the original pencil and ink version - from Frank Miller ? Lynn Varley.
So who colored DKR 2 and DKR 3 for example - however not directly over the original pencil and ink version - but a copy or similar ? Lynn Varley.

The point is she could have colored it over a copy as well, just as she did for other pieces.
She would have or was handed the same starting point/piece of art whether it would have been over a copy or the original.

But for this one it was done, as we know, differently because it was over the pencil and ink version. 

I totally dig that this is both, the original and colored piece and am just wondering. 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by wurstisart
Forgot last name

[MyNameIsLegion]

On 5/18/2022 at 7:48 PM, Bill C said:

Looks like heritage took maybe 20 or so pieces down? It's at 630-ish lots, thought it was 655 or so yesterday.

I know there were two Milgrom covers up, now there is one.

Stock market and crypto crashing- consignors getting nervous they won’t get top dollar and pulling back? 

[delekkerste]

On 5/19/2022 at 7:18 AM, MyNameIsLegion said:

Stock market and crypto crashing- consignors getting nervous they won’t get top dollar and pulling back? 

[hmendryk]

On 5/17/2022 at 4:40 PM, cstojano said:

Has WD tanked any since it has left the popular consciousness??

I guess WD hasn't left my consciousness. Has it tanked? I guess I have mixed feelings. If it has tanked then I lost money on the two pieces of WD art in my collection. On the other hand if WD tanked I can buy more WD art.

[Bronty]

On 5/19/2022 at 2:00 AM, wurstisart said:

I am pretty sure I get it, but your explanation does not apply to my question or comment at all, but please let us not start a heated discussion, that was and is not my intention. Simply put, why was only this cover colored over the pencil and ink version?

The explanation was not given yet and we all probably don’t have the answer, unless we say, we don’t know.
And here is why, at least in my view.

So who colored the DKR 1 cover - directly over the original pencil and ink version - from Frank Miller ? Lynn Varley.
So who colored DKR 2 and DKR 3 for example - however not directly over the original pencil and ink version - but a copy or similar ? Lynn Varley.

The point is she could have colored it over a copy as well, just as she did for other pieces.
She would have or was handed the same starting point/piece of art whether it would have been over a copy or the original.

But for this one it was done, as we know, differently because it was over the pencil and ink version. 

I totally dig that this is both, the original and colored piece and am just wondering. 

 

 

No one is attacking you.   

They are different processes with different results.    If you are trying for a specific result, you are going to use a specific process.

[wurstisart]

On 5/19/2022 at 4:21 PM, Bronty said:

No one is attacking you.   

They are different processes with different results.    If you are trying for a specific result, you are going to use a specific process.

I am laughing while I am typing this and I am REALLY NOT feeling being attacked at all. All good. Really.

To me the question is still unanswered but everyone is correct with what they are saying.
So why is it that in this instance it was done over the original pencil and inks vs. over a copy, like on all the other DKR cover?
Both processes are for the FM/LV combo the same thing? So no comparison to other specific results using a specific process.

I am not comparing it to other cover coloring processes, but to the FM/LV process.
 

[Bronty]

On 5/19/2022 at 10:38 AM, wurstisart said:

I am laughing while I am typing this and I am REALLY NOT feeling being attacked at all. All good. Really.

To me the question is still unanswered but everyone is correct with what they are saying.
So why is it that in this instance it was done over the original pencil and inks vs. over a copy, like on all the other DKR cover?
Both processes are for the FM/LV combo the same thing? So no comparison to other specific results using a specific process.

I am not comparing it to other cover coloring processes, but to the FM/LV process.
 

There is no set FM/LV process on these four covers or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Perhaps what you're asking is why the color and the ink are all on one board with #1 and possibly #4 and why the ink and the color are on separate boards for 2 and 3.

Look more closely at the color.    #1 the background is a real painting, you can tell from just looking at the printed copy.   No black lines.   Look at the color on figures on covers 2 and 3.    Black lines.   Colored in with watercolor, probably.    Flat expanses of color.    Definitely not airbrush color on the figures.

If you're asking why they are on separate boards, you have to start with the fact that there were different results and different processes used here.

There's almost no line art to speak of on 1 and 4.    Its likely as simple as frank did the silhouettes and handed the boards to Lynn to paint.    Could she have colored them on a separate board, sure.   But there was likely no need to and I'm glad they didn't.    If the #1 cover was on separate boards, it wouldn't present well. 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Bronty

[wurstisart]

On 5/19/2022 at 4:49 PM, Bronty said:

There is no set FM/LV process on these four covers or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Perhaps what you're asking is why the color and the ink are all on one board with #1 and possibly #4 and why the ink and the color are on separate boards for 2 and 3.

To beat a dead horse further, 2 and 3 have black line drawings for the figures, not just a silhouette.      We'd have to ask Frank to know for sure, but Frank may have wanted to keep his line art separate on 2 and 3, or there might have been printing related concerns in terms of muddying up the image.   I'm guessing the former since pieces like Neal Adams' Savage Tales covers, which are drawings that were colored in directly on the original, reproduced fine.    With 1 and 4 there really isn't much of his line art for him to worry about, and frankly, it improves the original a lot to have the color and the ink on the same board.    (If the color and the figure were on separate boards, this piece wouldn't present well).   [ In addition, it is not a given that they wanted to work at the same scale on covers 2 and 3 (although they may well have - I haven't seen the color on 2 and 3 to comment)].

That being said, its probably as simple as Frank inked in the silhouettes and then handed them to Lynn to paint on, mostly because he probably didn't give a mess about trying to keep the silhouette art separate from the color.

Thank you for your reply.

I am sure more and more information regarding this will come up. It is all over in the news. My post simply started by being curious about exactly what your saying, or guessing as we all are. Thanks again.

[Bronty]

On 5/19/2022 at 11:01 AM, wurstisart said:

Thank you for your reply.

I am sure more and more information regarding this will come up. It is all over in the news. My post simply started by being curious about exactly what your saying, or guessing as we all are. Thanks again.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about it any more either ;) Have a good one.

[MagnusX]

On 5/18/2022 at 9:36 AM, grapeape said:

I can't count the number of times over the years I've heard fellow collectors say, " I'd sell every piece in my collection just to get that one piece." I can't even remember one of those pieces they were talking about at this moment. So from this day forward I'll just assume they were speaking of this one 

 

All that dandruff in Frank jacket at the end of the video gross me out;
I know I should focus in the interview and the art BUT...!

[comix4fun]

On 5/19/2022 at 11:03 AM, MagnusX said:

All that dandruff in Frank jacket at the end of the video gross me out;
I know I should focus in the interview and the art BUT...!

You could focus on how, after collecting some of those white flakes, you'd be able to clone your very own Frank Miller. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by comix4fun

[BCarter27]

On 5/19/2022 at 12:57 PM, comix4fun said:

you'd be able to clone your very own Frank Miller. 

There are places you can get this done for less than the cost of this cover. Does anyone want to go in with me on a DAO for this?

[Rick2you2]

On 5/20/2022 at 12:46 AM, BCarter27 said:

There are places you can get this done for less than the cost of this cover. Does anyone want to go in with me on a DAO for this?

A lot less. Internet prices are $50,000 for a dog, $35,000 for a cat, and $100,000 for a horse.