C2E2 Variant Drama 24 24

[seanfingh]

On 8/9/2022 at 11:53 PM, Dimez said:

They aren’t rare, they do not exist. 9.9s and 10s are not given to the public. It is, with extremely rare exception,  a grade reserved for retailers and their exclusive covers that are sent in for mass grading

I am catching up on this thread, and I can't let this go uncontradicted. This is simply not true.  Out of about 2k books I submitted, I got a 10 and 4 or maybe 5 9.9s.

I am no BSD. I didn't have any exclusive covers, nor have I ever been a retailer.  The crew that I ran with in the 2010s would get a 9.9 from time to time, almost always from new releases pulled straight of cases. At least three of my 9.9s were Signature Series. Two of those were uncirculated Indy books.

They are pretty rare, but they have not historically been handed out to "retailers and their exclusive covers that are sent in for mass grading."

[Red Flag]

On 8/17/2022 at 5:48 PM, Troy Division said:

As the board member that researched each label ID to provide the grades 'issued' aka 'given' to Black Flag it disturbs me that CGC has retroactively changed the verbiage on those books.
Especially as the initial 30 books (10 / 10 / 10) were no longer in their possession.

https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/511154-c2e2-variant-drama/?do=findComment&comment=12458838

 

I'm actually more concerned about the Grade Dates being changed.

If the change was deliberate, that's one problem.

If, however, "Grade Date" really means "label record last modified date", it would suggest that any time CGC updates Key Notes, Art Notes, or any other field on the record, the Grade Date would change along with it, and no longer accurately represent the date on which the book was graded. That would be a much bigger problem.

[CJ Design]

Funny stuff...CGC on point these days. ..sent this guy another copy of his same sig book in exact grade w/ exact cert number. He only subbed 1.

 

[jsilverjanet]

On 8/17/2022 at 1:07 PM, seanfingh said:

I am no BSD

[ScarletSpider94]

Floored lol. Not surprised Skeff is fully embracing his whatnot influence. 

[Dr. Balls]

Dammit. Too late to play my card

 

[billsid]

On 8/17/2022 at 3:44 PM, ScarletSpider94 said:

Floored lol. Not surprised Skeff is fully embracing his whatnot influence. 

Wow, the seediness of this whole thing is just amazing.

[OJ Pimpson]

On 8/17/2022 at 11:07 AM, seanfingh said:

I am catching up on this thread, and I can't let this go uncontradicted. This is simply not true.  Out of about 2k books I submitted, I got a 10 and 4 or maybe 5 9.9s.

I am no BSD. I didn't have any exclusive covers, nor have I ever been a retailer.  The crew that I ran with in the 2010s would get a 9.9 from time to time, almost always from new releases pulled straight of cases. At least three of my 9.9s were Signature Series. Two of those were uncirculated Indy books.

They are pretty rare, but they have not historically been handed out to "retailers and their exclusive covers that are sent in for mass grading."

Ok, so I have to ask when you received these 9.9+ grades. I’ve only had around 500 books graded and my opinions are shaped by my experiences and the experiences of others I know. Based on that I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of 9.9 and 10 grades were given out many many years ago. 
 

Honest to God I just picked a title out of thin air that I know has been submitted heavily to look at the numbers at CGCdata.com. Wolverine #1 from 1982. The book has had ~ 22,000 subs since CGC was founded. It has 27 9.9s and 3 10s. However of the 22,000 subs ~8,000 of them have come between Jan 2018 and now. Of those 8,000 copies there have been zero 9.9s and zero 10s. 
 

 

now obviously this is just a book picked randomly but I’d be willing to bet that this isn’t an outlier.
 

 

[kav]

[Lazyboy]

On 8/16/2022 at 7:14 PM, thehumantorch said:

The grades are very suspicious.  But I have a problem believing CGC would sell grades knowing how important their reputation for unbiased grading is.  Especially for a few relatively low value books graded for what I assume is a relatively low volume submitter.  Why not the Action 1s of the world and the Heritage Auctions of the world.

It would be nice CGC would respond to this.  

Well...

[manetteska]

On 8/17/2022 at 2:44 PM, ScarletSpider94 said:

Floored lol. Not surprised Skeff is fully embracing his whatnot influence. 

So Skeff was on-camera for (hosting?) the CGC-sponsored giveaway on whatnot? Is that accurate?

[Lazyboy]

On 8/16/2022 at 10:40 PM, Buzzetta said:

Around a year ago Adam Lui joined the boards.  (I was mistaken it was not Liu, it was Lui.)  It was the age old story of noob joining, gets into arguments with everyone... and I mean everyone.  Then he threatened to fight everyone and for them to come to Merced, California to do so. 

He was eventually given his release from the CGC Boards. 

So he goes across the street as it were and starts complaining about here to there.  That's when he let his bright and sunshiny personality out over there as well and they instabanned him from across the street as well.  He wanted to fight people there too.  

He's a fighter that Adam Lui... 

I can give you some links if you want as a few were REALLY fun reads.  Most of what he did here was scrubbed but not over there.   

Wow, they really scoured the out of his history here, huh?

[Dr. Balls]

On 8/17/2022 at 1:57 PM, Dimez said:

~8,000 of them have come between Jan 2018 and now.

 

I think the bigger news is that in 4 years people subbed 8,000 Wolverine #1s. 

[Buzzetta]

On 8/17/2022 at 4:08 PM, Lazyboy said:

Wow, they really scoured the out of his history here, huh?

 Yes, I think it was the Pokemon cards thread that got the ball rolling.   That was sent to the proverbial farm with the other moved threads to argue amongst themselves. 

[ScarletSpider94]

On 8/17/2022 at 4:06 PM, manetteska said:

So Skeff was on-camera for (hosting?) the CGC-sponsored giveaway on whatnot? Is that accurate?

Pretty much.

 

[kav]

On 8/17/2022 at 1:41 PM, Buzzetta said:

 Yes, I think it was the Pokemon cards thread that got the ball rolling.   That was sent to the proverbial farm with the other moved threads to argue amongst themselves. 

@Buzzetta

[Bird]

On 8/17/2022 at 3:57 PM, Dimez said:

Ok, so I have to ask when you received these 9.9+ grades. I’ve only had around 500 books graded and my opinions are shaped by my experiences and the experiences of others I know. Based on that I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of 9.9 and 10 grades were given out many many years ago. 
 

Honest to God I just picked a title out of thin air that I know has been submitted heavily to look at the numbers at CGCdata.com. Wolverine #1 from 1982. The book has had ~ 22,000 subs since CGC was founded. It has 27 9.9s and 3 10s. However of the 22,000 subs ~8,000 of them have come between Jan 2018 and now. Of those 8,000 copies there have been zero 9.9s and zero 10s. 
 

 

now obviously this is just a book picked randomly but I’d be willing to bet that this isn’t an outlier.
 

 

I got 2 9.9s on all star batman 1. Out of the diamond box and I myself prescreened for the best and sent in about 5. I got 2 9.9s.

I have only subbed maybe 200 books total.

[Iconic1s]

On 8/17/2022 at 2:57 PM, Dimez said:

Ok, so I have to ask when you received these 9.9+ grades. I’ve only had around 500 books graded and my opinions are shaped by my experiences and the experiences of others I know. Based on that I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of 9.9 and 10 grades were given out many many years ago. 
 

Honest to God I just picked a title out of thin air that I know has been submitted heavily to look at the numbers at CGCdata.com. Wolverine #1 from 1982. The book has had ~ 22,000 subs since CGC was founded. It has 27 9.9s and 3 10s. However of the 22,000 subs ~8,000 of them have come between Jan 2018 and now. Of those 8,000 copies there have been zero 9.9s and zero 10s. 
 

 

now obviously this is just a book picked randomly but I’d be willing to bet that this isn’t an outlier.
 

 

2005 (1 of 1)

2013 (1 of 5)

And 2021 (1 of 2)

This is a pretty good spread over 16 years, with the most recent just last year (thanks @Dmac538for that one! Roll Tide!)

P.S. check my WTB posts 

Edited August 17, 2022 by Iconic1s

[Cat]

On 8/18/2022 at 1:37 AM, JC25427N said:

You'd have to get the original artist for the cover of Action 1 to make the acetate 

Aka Clayton Crain, right? 

[jcjames]

On 8/9/2022 at 8:22 PM, Troy Division said:

Just to clarify ALL these acetate books were graded on 7/28/22

Ghost Rider #1 'Zymotica Vs' Acetate Edition
Infinite Black Publishing Exclusive
4100794001 / 9.8
4100794002 / 9.8
4100794003 / 10
4100794004 / 9.9
4100794005 / 9.9
4100794006 / 9.9
4100794007 / 9.8
4100794008 / 9.8
4100794009 / 9.8
4100794010 / 9.8

Deadpool Nerdy 30 #1 '99 Problems' Acetate Edition
Infinite Black Publishing Exclusive
4100794011 / 9.8
4100794012 / 9.8
4100794013 / 9.8
4100794014 / 9.9
4100794015 / 9.8
4100794016 / 9.8
4100794017 / 9.9
4100794018 / 10
4100794019 / 9.9
4100794020 / 9.8

Ultimate Fallout: Facsimile Edition #4: 'In God We Trust' Acetate Edition
Infinite Black Publishing Exclusive
4100794021 / 9.9
4100794022 / 9.9
4100794023 / 9.9
4100794024 / 9.9
4100794025 / 9.8
4100794026 / 10
4100794027 / 9.8
4100794028 / 9.8
4100794029 / 9.9
4100794030 / 9.8
 

 

So... 14 out of 30 submissions (47%) came back 9.9 or 10

14 out of 30 books were modified to add an additional cover and two extra staples... and there were NO internal pages damaged during the process - in fact, the insides of these books were originally absolutely pristine, including the original covers, all edges, corners, staples and spine were in perfect alignment.

What are the odds!??