2023 CGC Grading Contest Season 2 Spring Edition (#6) Round 1 Results 3 3

[CGC Mike]

@JollyComics scores were not entered, so here is a revised score sheet.

 

	TITLE	Flash Comics #12	Tessie Typist #4	Daredevil #7	Fantastic Four #94	Veronica #28
	FINAL GRADE	4.5	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.6
SCORE	GRADER	BOOK 1	BOOK 2	BOOK 3	BOOK 4	BOOK 5
0	JohnH19	4.5	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.6
1	scburdet	4.5	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.4
1	TheGeneral	4.5	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.4
2	Electron	4.5	8.0	9.0	7.5	9.4
2	MBFan	4.5	8.0	9.0	7.5	9.4
2	davidtere	4.0	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.4
2	thehumantorch	4.5	8.5	9.2	7.0	9.6
2	Warlord	4.0	8.0	9.4	7.5	9.6
2	Point Five	5.0	8.0	9.2	8.0	9.6
3	EastEnd1	4.5	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.0
3	timfinz	4.5	8.0	9.2	8.5	9.4
3	Hudson	4.5	8.0	8.5	7.0	9.6
3	Cat	4.5	7.5	8.5	7.5	9.6
3	realitytrip	4.5	7.0	9.0	7.5	9.6
3	Mars76	4.5	7.5	9.0	8.0	9.6
3	mytastebud	4.0	8.5	9.2	8.0	9.6
3	Get Marwood & I	4.5	8.5	9.4	8.0	9.6
3	Motor City Rob	4.0	8.0	9.2	8.5	9.6
3	divad	4.0	8.0	9.4	7.5	9.8
3	JollyComics	4.0	8.0	9.4	8.0	9.6
4	Wipple	4.0	8.0	9.2	7.5	9.0
4	jbpez	4.5	7.5	8.5	7.5	9.4
4	Batman Fett	5.0	8.0	8.5	7.5	9.4
4	Cerebus3000	4.5	8.5	9.0	8.0	9.4
4	frozentundraguy	4.0	8.0	9.0	6.5	9.6
4	Withering Wind	4.5	7.0	9.0	7.0	9.6
4	WilliamLunt	3.5	8.0	9.0	7.0	9.6
4	zzutak	4.0	8.5	9.4	7.0	9.6
4	flashlites	4.5	7.5	8.0	7.5	9.6
4	Nsschenks	3.5	7.5	9.0	7.5	9.6
4	batcollector	5.0	7.0	9.4	7.5	9.6
4	pastandpresentcomics	3.5	7.5	9.2	8.0	9.6
4	musicmeta	4.5	7.5	9.0	8.5	9.6
4	Morganmi	4.5	7.5	9.0	8.5	9.6
5	Doctor Dositheus	5.0	7.5	9.2	8.0	9.2
5	TC33	5.5	9.0	9.2	7.5	9.4
5	comicginger1789	4.0	7.5	9.0	8.0	9.4
5	ArAich	5.0	7.0	9.2	8.0	9.4
5	universal soldier	4.0	8.0	9.0	8.5	9.4
5	silverseeker	3.5	8.0	9.2	8.5	9.4
5	s-man	4.0	7.5	8.5	7.0	9.6
5	GreatCaesarsGhost	3.5	8.0	8.5	7.0	9.6
5	KryptoMayor	3.5	7.0	9.0	7.5	9.6
5	CJ Design	4.5	7.0	8.5	8.0	9.6
5	Stefan_W	4.0	7.5	8.5	8.0	9.6
5	ADAMANTIUM	4.5	9.0	9.4	8.5	9.6
6	goldust40	4.5	7.5	8.5	7.0	9.2
6	grendelbo	4.5	7.5	8.5	7.0	9.2
6	JustJimN	4.0	7.5	9.0	8.0	9.2
6	sledgehammer	4.0	8.5	9.0	6.5	9.4
6	skypinkblu	5.0	7.5	8.5	7.0	9.4
6	mysterymachine	5.0	7.5	8.5	8.0	9.4
6	bighairjer	5.5	7.5	9.0	8.0	9.4
6	toro	4.5	9.4	9.4	8.0	9.6
6	eeb03	3.5	7.0	9.2	8.5	9.6
6	Superman2006	4.5	9.2	9.4	8.5	9.6
7	genrlzod	4.5	7.5	8.0	8.0	9.2
7	Kramerica	4.0	8.5	9.4	8.5	9.2
7	spidermanbeyond	5.0	8.0	8.0	6.5	9.4
7	alecholland	4.5	7.0	8.5	6.5	9.4
7	PeterPark	4.0	8.5	8.5	6.5	9.4
7	Math Teacher	4.5	8.5	7.5	7.0	9.4
7	SargenticusV	4.0	7.5	8.0	7.0	9.4
7	Ron C.	3.5	7.5	8.0	7.5	9.4
7	trmoore54	5.5	8.0	8.5	6.0	9.6
7	Dr. Ogie Porterhouse	5.0	8.5	9.4	9.2	9.6
8	boron	3.0	8.0	8.5	7.5	9.0
8	trashcollector	4.0	7.5	8.0	7.0	9.2
8	AJD	5.0	7.5	8.0	7.0	9.2
8	jas1vans	3.0	8.5	9.0	7.0	9.2
8	AlexH	5.0	9.0	8.5	8.0	9.2
8	Tom789	4.5	6.0	9.0	6.5	9.4
8	Grendel72	4.5	6.0	8.0	7.5	9.4
8	ChrispyC66	3.5	7.0	8.0	7.5	9.4
8	Cushing Fan	4.5	9.0	7.5	8.0	9.4
8	Axelrod	3.5	7.0	9.0	8.5	9.4
8	Old Fashion PB and J	4.5	6.0	9.2	9.0	9.4
8	Hot Nickels	3.5	6.5	8.0	7.5	9.6
8	Yorick	3.0	9.2	9.0	8.0	9.6
8	Dormian	4.0	7.0	8.5	6.5	9.8
8	John R	2.5	8.0	8.0	7.5	9.8
8	SpideyFein	5.0	9.2	9.0	8.5	9.8
9	apocalypse76	5.0	8.0	8.5	7.0	8.0
9	Cocomonkey	4.0	8.5	8.0	6.5	9.2
9	Black_Adam	4.0	7.0	8.0	7.0	9.2
9	Pickie	3.0	7.0	8.0	7.5	9.4
9	g-man	3.5	6.0	8.5	7.5	9.4
9	PreHero	3.5	6.0	8.5	7.0	9.6
9	Westy Steve	3.5	7.0	9.0	9.2	9.6
10	F For Fake	4.0	6.5	9.0	8.0	8.5
10	AbsoluteCarnage	4.5	8.5	7.5	6.5	9.0
10	davidking623	3.5	6.5	8.5	7.5	9.0
10	jcjames	5.0	7.0	8.5	6.0	9.2
10	ned	3.5	6.5	8.0	7.0	9.4
10	aszumilo	3.5	7.0	8.5	9.0	9.4
10	Panda2	3.5	9.2	8.0	6.5	9.6
10	Sandflea	5.5	6.0	8.0	8.0	9.6
10	collector_bill	6.5	9.2	9.0	8.5	9.6
10	old_dano	6.0	9.6	9.2	8.5	9.6
10	cchunn3	4.5	5.0	9.6	8.0	9.8
10	ArcherC	7.0	8.5	9.0	8.5	9.8
11	atticus.fetch	3.5	7.0	8.0	7.5	8.5
11	sagii	3.5	7.5	8.0	6.5	9.0
11	topofthetotem	4.5	5.5	8.0	7.0	9.2
11	SolidShredder	3.5	6.0	8.0	7.0	9.4
11	Lninefingers	3.5	5.5	8.0	7.5	9.4
11	thingsofstuff	5.5	6.5	8.0	8.5	9.4
11	fastballspecial	3.5	9.2	9.2	9.4	9.4
12	BlackOut21	4.0	7.0	8.0	6.0	9.0
12	ashsaytr	3.0	7.0	8.5	6.0	9.2
12	youfoundjake	4.0	7.0	6.5	7.0	9.2
12	Amazing Spidey	1.8	6.5	8.5	8.0	9.6
13	pmpknface	4.0	5.0	8.5	7.0	9.0
13	Krismusic	7.5	8.5	9.4	9.2	9.4
14	makeminemarvel	3.5	7.5	7.0	6.5	8.5
14	Jesse-Lee	3.0	6.0	7.5	6.5	9.4
14	mattn792	6.0	8.0	4.0	7.5	9.6
15	Pitboss	3.0	5.5	7.5	7.0	9.2
16	DougC	4.0	5.5	6.0	6.0	9.6
16	WEBHEAD	2.0	4.0	8.0	7.5	9.6
24	Cor88b	2.0	4.5	7.0	5.5	9.0

 

[CGC Mike]

[CGC Mike]

If you click twice on the scores, you should get a clear, larger image.

[Get Marwood & I]

@Cat 

Who are you, and what have you done with Cat? 

 

[Point Five]

On 4/25/2023 at 10:09 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

@Cat 

Who are you, and what have you done with Cat? 

 

He was just toying with us before. But NOW...
 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/25/2023 at 3:19 PM, Point Five said:

He was just toying with us before. But NOW...
 

We'll only know it's him if he shoots a 62 on the next round 

[zzutak]

On 4/25/2023 at 6:39 AM, CGC Mike said:

According to Mike's grade distribution table, only 120 players completed Round 1 (down from 131 at sign-up).  Here are the key measures of central tendency for this round (Mean = the average grade; Median = the middle grade in a numerically rank-ordered list; Mode = the most common grade):

Book	CGC	Grade Distribution Statistics
#	Grade	Mean	Median	Mode
1	4.5	4.2	4.0	4.5
2	8.0	7.5	7.5	8.0
3	9.2	8.6	8.5	8.5
4	7.5	7.5	7.5	7.5
5	9.6	9.4	9.4	9.6

The Board scored 157 bulls-eyes in Round 1 (26% of all grades submitted, compared to an average of 21% in CGC Grading Contests #1 thru 5).  Here are a few other notable observations based on the data reported above:

• Book #01 (Flash Comics #12):  A relatively easy book for the Board as a whole, with 29% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 63% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was about one-half grade increment more critical than CGC (4.2 vs 4.5).
• Book #02 (Tessie The Typist #4):  A relatively difficult book for the Board as a whole, with only 22% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and only 55% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was one grade increment more critical than CGC (7.5 vs 8.0).
• Book #03 (Daredevil #7):  The most difficult book for the Board as a whole, with only 17% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and only 48% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was nearly two grade increments more critical than CGC (8.6 vs 9.2). 
• Book #04 (Fantastic Four #94):  Another relatively easy book for the Board as a whole, with 27% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 66% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board agreed with CGC (7.5 vs 7.5). 
• Book #05 (Veronica #28):  The easiest book for the Board as a whole, with 37% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 75% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was one grade increment more critical than CGC (9.4 vs 9.6).

A strong start for the Board as a whole.   

[ADAMANTIUM]

dang it WAS 5 points for me

[apocalypse76]

Does anyone care to weigh in on the Veronica # 28? I can see by the statistics that most people graded the book 9.4 - 9.6. I can accept that I am way off in my grade of 8.0 if anyone can justify why a book that appears to have a 1/2" corner crease top right BC, 1/4" corner crease bottom left BC as well as a handful of color breaking spine ticks could acheive such superior grades?

Are people saying that because these defects only slightly break color they aren't actually there?

[davidking623]

On 4/25/2023 at 7:38 AM, zzutak said:

According to Mike's grade distribution table, only 120 players completed Round 1 (down from 131 at sign-up).  Here are the key measures of central tendency for this round (Mean = the average grade; Median = the middle grade in a numerically rank-ordered list; Mode = the most common grade):

Book	CGC	Grade Distribution Statistics
#	Grade	Mean	Median	Mode
1	4.5	4.2	4.0	4.5
2	8.0	7.5	7.5	8.0
3	9.2	8.6	8.5	8.5
4	7.5	7.5	7.5	7.5
5	9.6	9.4	9.4	9.6

The Board scored 157 bulls-eyes in Round 1 (26% of all grades submitted, compared to an average of 21% in CGC Grading Contests #1 thru 5).  Here are a few other notable observations based on the data reported above:

• Book #01 (Flash Comics #12):  A relatively easy book for the Board as a whole, with 29% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 63% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was about one-half grade increment more critical than CGC (4.2 vs 4.5).
• Book #02 (Tessie The Typist #4):  A relatively difficult book for the Board as a whole, with only 22% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and only 55% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was one grade increment more critical than CGC (7.5 vs 8.0).
• Book #03 (Daredevil #7):  The most difficult book for the Board as a whole, with only 17% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and only 48% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was nearly two grade increments more critical than CGC (8.6 vs 9.2). 
• Book #04 (Fantastic Four #94):  Another relatively easy book for the Board as a whole, with 27% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 66% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board agreed with CGC (7.5 vs 7.5). 
• Book #05 (Veronica #28):  The easiest book for the Board as a whole, with 37% of the contestants at the same grade as CGC and 75% within one grade increment of CGC.  Collectively, the Board was one grade increment more critical than CGC (9.4 vs 9.6).

A strong start for the Board as a whole.   

That is a a great , neat thing you did there . A great Evaluation of the grades !

[davidking623]

On 4/25/2023 at 10:01 AM, davidking623 said:

That is a a great , neat thing you did there . A great Evaluation of the grades !

What makes this even more interesting to me its quite rare that the grades from CGC to any specific book are all the same on these kind of books . say on the Tessie it could have been 7.5 8.0 8.5 . which means everybody grades a little different but consistent grades are what is the most important regardless of the Grades . I am not saying those were the grades of the graders its just a example of what they may have been ,since we were never given that information .

[davidking623]

I suddenly realize I have 65 CGC books coming today , maybe I will be a better grader for the next round . LOL

[Cman429]

Last year I joined this and circled the drain for every round. So of course this year I miss the cut and do it just for my own volition and end is nailing 2/5 and only 4 points total (That DD messed me up). Guess the key to grading well is lack of pressure 

[Yorick]

I applaud everyone who didn't give a GA bump to that Flash Comics!  4.5??  NO!   

[davidking623]

On 4/25/2023 at 10:32 AM, Yorick said:

I applaud everyone who didn't give a GA bump to that Flash Comics!  4.5??  NO!   

had it at 4.0 then went to 3.5 , it was never getting a 4.5 from me ! LOL

[divad]

On 4/25/2023 at 9:49 AM, apocalypse76 said:

Does anyone care to weigh in on the Veronica # 28? I can see by the statistics that most people graded the book 9.4 - 9.6. I can accept that I am way off in my grade of 8.0 if anyone can justify why a book that appears to have a 1/2" corner crease top right BC, 1/4" corner crease bottom left BC as well as a handful of color breaking spine ticks could acheive such superior grades?

Are people saying that because these defects only slightly break color they aren't actually there?

Put away your electron microscope and just use your eyes . . . 

[apocalypse76]

On 4/25/2023 at 2:40 PM, divad said:

Put away your electron microscope and just use your eyes . . . 

Thanks for the comment but I am still hoping for a serious response from someone on how they graded that book a NM+ when there is obviously some significant defects on it. CGC over grades comics routinely and it is understandable because their graders are grading tons and tons of books for profit and looking at them very quickly. I'm not surprised a book could get 9.6 from CGC when it isn't even close, what is shocking is that almost all of the non-partisan participants in this contest graded it the same when they had as much time as they wanted to look at it. 

I am assuming from your comment you are one of the people who graded the book 9.4 or 9.6. Can you tell us why you gave the book that grade? Are you asserting that the defects in my previous message don't exist?

[cchunn3]

Took another look at the Ver. There is some bending lower left BC w/o breaks. The top right BC does show evidence of an impact with a couple of bends but also not breaking. The tufting at the top and bottom of the spine is bindery. I think the camera flash makes these defects appear worse than they are. FWIW, I missed it HIGH at 9.8.

[JollyComics]

On 4/25/2023 at 8:38 AM, CGC Mike said:

@JollyComics scores were not entered, so here is a revised score sheet.

 

Thank you Mike!

[timfinz]

On 4/25/2023 at 10:49 AM, apocalypse76 said:

Does anyone care to weigh in on the Veronica # 28? I can see by the statistics that most people graded the book 9.4 - 9.6. I can accept that I am way off in my grade of 8.0 if anyone can justify why a book that appears to have a 1/2" corner crease top right BC, 1/4" corner crease bottom left BC as well as a handful of color breaking spine ticks could acheive such superior grades?

Are people saying that because these defects only slightly break color they aren't actually there?

I'll weigh in!

I don't see the 1/2" crease you are referring to. It may be an issue with the way the image appears on your screen. I see only one small spine tic non-colour breaking LRHS, slight blunted corners or bindery tears of the spine top and bottom and the small crease on the bottom LCBC (appears to be slight colour breaking). I had the book at 9.6 but what I thought was dirt or smudges on the front cover below the UPC code knocked it down a grade for me to 9.4. I know this caught the eye of some other board members as well.

I think the book presents beautifully.