ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[BigLeagueCHEW]

On 1/17/2024 at 12:21 PM, Panda2 said:

I haven't heard anything from them either - they were the source of my book as well

Confused, follow the CGC procedure if you still have the book? Why wait for CL?

[Motor City Rob]

On 1/17/2024 at 3:46 PM, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Confused, follow the CGC procedure if you still have the book? Why wait for CL?

Who said I'm waiting? I've already returned my two books. But I wanted to find out when Comic Link was going to be contacting people,  as they stated on January 3rd. It would be a good cross reference to ensure buyers didn't miss anything. That was the point of my original post.

[comicwiz]

This is an appeal for some assistance from the wider community. If anyone is in possession of either of these books matching the following two certification numbers, please feel free to message me on these boards or on IG at https://www.instagram.com/toyverify/

I am just needing good high resolution images of the current book please (I have past images from sales already), both front and back. This will greatly assist with some unusual trends and patterns I'm trying to reconcile through a short list of books I'm looking at. 

1174079001
1478893002

Edited January 18 by comicwiz

[paqart]

On 1/16/2024 at 1:30 PM, thehumantorch said:

Inspecting the interior of the book is the only way to check for the MVS

They could weigh them. A sensitive enough instrument should be able to tell the difference.

[Buzzetta]

On 1/17/2024 at 4:31 PM, comicwiz said:

This is an appeal for some assistance from the wider community. If anyone is in possession of either of these books matching the following two certification numbers, please feel free to message me on these boards or on IG at https://www.instagram.com/toyverify/

I am just needing good high resolution images of the current book please, both front and back. This will greatly assist with some unusual trends and patterns I'm trying to reconcile through a short list of books I'm looking at. 

1174079001
1478893002

When I ran the numbers through verification to see what books they were, the 1174079001 comes up as a regular query result. The 1478893002 is flagged in the verification with the instruction in red to contact CGC.

 

Is the 1174079001 a new submission that CGC has not identified yet?  I ran subsequent numbers in the chain and it looks like that book was an isolated submission or the other book(s) in that submission have been stricken from the record. 

[comicwiz]

@Buzzetta I just need to connect the dots on a few things, too premature to even go into it anymore than I have. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

[Panda2]

On 1/17/2024 at 3:46 PM, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Confused, follow the CGC procedure if you still have the book? Why wait for CL?

I also have sent mine. Just curious about CLink being proactive with their buyers if they weren’t following the news…

[grendel013]

On 1/17/2024 at 4:39 PM, paqart said:

They could weigh them. A sensitive enough instrument should be able to tell the difference.

Not in the example given of the dealer who married an incorrect MVC inside a Hulk 181. Weight would be good on that.

[bc]

On 1/17/2024 at 7:14 PM, grendel013 said:

Not in the example given of the dealer who married an incorrect MVC inside a Hulk 181. Weight would be good on that.

Depends on how they married it. If they used any tape or other adhesive, the weight would deviate.

-bc

[BlancoBros]

On 1/17/2024 at 4:56 PM, comicwiz said:

I just need to connect the dots on a few things, too premature to even go into it anymore than I have. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Pictures sent.

[CGC Mike]

On 1/17/2024 at 2:16 PM, topcat54 said:

it was these guys that brought it up I just pm'd you 

Yep.  The thanks was actually meant for everyone who assisted with this.  I should have added another sentence to my post.

[MAR1979]

On 1/17/2024 at 8:09 PM, bc said:

Depends on how they married it. If they used any tape or other adhesive, the weight would deviate.

-bc

 

OR

 

Maybe they asked the book if it was married or happy...

 

Edited January 18 by MAR1979

[grendel013]

On 1/17/2024 at 8:09 PM, bc said:

Depends on how they married it. If they used any tape or other adhesive, the weight would deviate.

-bc

I hope it was booger glue.

[wiparker824]

On 1/17/2024 at 6:09 PM, bc said:

Depends on how they married it. If they used any tape or other adhesive, the weight would deviate.

-bc

This. Plus a lot of other factors that would impact weight - the most fun one being CGC isn’t consistent with how many pieces of microchamber paper they add to slabs… anyone who has cracked slabs knows you may find one, you may find none, you may find two ya never know. How are you going to estimate weight of a book in a holder given you don’t know how much weight you’ve added with microchamber? They definitely aren’t weighing them for MVS stamps. At least I hope not because there’s no way that would ever work.

[Lightning55]

On 1/17/2024 at 10:44 PM, wiparker824 said:

They definitely aren’t weighing them for MVS stamps. At least I hope not because there’s no way that would ever work.

+1 on that.  Even moisture content of the paper could change the weight, especially if weighed in Florida, humidity capital of the world.

If they could tell anything by weighing, they would have been able to detect trimming from day 1.

[namisgr]

The biggest variable in weight would probably be the inner wells themselves.  From one to another I'd expect there to be quite a bit of variation in the weight owing to variations in manufacturing.  The inner wells aren't exactly precision manufactured items, after all.  The comics themselves also have wobble in their dimensions, and so in their weights, too.

Embedding an RFID microchip in the inner well, on the other hand, might be a very good way of assigning a unique identifier to each book via the sealed inner well.  They have been designed quite thin, for instance fitting inside the cards of a deck.

Edited January 18 by namisgr

[royaluglydudes]

Even two books that come off the same printer in succession might not weigh the same. Printing presses aren't calibrated machines that will turn out the same weight down to fractions of an ounce for each book, which is what we are talking about with a MVS. Weight as a way to prove or disprove is a nonstarter for me, even on raw books.

Edited January 18 by royaluglydudes

[Silver Surfer]

Maybe it would be as simple as holding the book up against a special light to see if the MVS is missing? Not sure if something like that could work. 

[Tink6]

Just received 10 slabs back today and all the books came back in the slighter thicker slabs usually used for square bound books, to include the attached pic. The attached pic shows the slab from 10/12/23 on top and the one slabbed on 1/10/24 on the bottom. The books are exactly the same...Spider-Man #1 (Gold) 9.8, white pages. Wonder if this has anything to do with the security "changes" discussed in previous CGC statements?

 

 

[grendel013]