Administrator MattM CS Posted May 7 Administrator Share Posted May 7 Hey Friends! It's that time again for another Pinned Post in the CGCQ Board. Our new CGC x JSA announcement has now gone live and can be reviewed using the link below. https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/12776/ As always, if you have any further questions not seen on the FAQs at the bottom of the page, please let us know! There are a lot of great questions surrounding this service so be sure to check out those FAQs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Death Footstool Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Hi CGC, if a creator signed a book with their regular signature and their Chinese signature, does that count as 1 signature for authentication or 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 7 Author Administrator Share Posted May 7 On 5/7/2024 at 4:07 PM, Lady Death Footstool said: Hi CGC, if a creator signed a book with their regular signature and their Chinese signature, does that count as 1 signature for authentication or 2? Great question! This would be considered 2 separate signatures. Thanks for checking! Lady Death Footstool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) @MattM CS are the new yellow/black labels going to work similarly to the current system with custom labels? I have several non-custom labels with the 'CGC Sig Series' centered. All of the custom labels have the 'CGC Sig Series' left aligned to make room for the custom label image. If you get a custom label with the JSA Authentication, will that label copy also be left justified (and then the custom label appears above the black header? seems like it could get pretty crowded...) Thx! Edited May 7 by dbcn ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsboy01 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I collect sketch covers often these are done with out a witness. Up to this point I have been sending them to :censored: for signature verification, then having them encapsulate the comic with an "Art" label rather than have the book graded. I do this as the art is the unique value setting component, and I feel a grade hit for dirt transfer from an Artist's art board, would distract from the art itself. Now that JSA is onboard with CGC, would I be able to submit a sketch cover for signature verification (obviously the art is not authenticated) and have the book encapsulated without being graded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigur Ros Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1) How many signatures can you include in one submission (not graded sigs, just verification)? More than 2 I assume? 2) are you going to offer a sig verification "pre-screen" where you can submit a photo (for a fee) and get an idea if the sig will pass or not? (like the other guys do). 3) If more than one sig on a book and one fails, what happens ? The other guys consider that a fail on all sigs but keep all fees. In other words if there are 10 signatures, and the first one they try to verify fails.. they stop there but keep all the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgdreamers Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 what the heck is an autograph grading? is that separate from a comic grading or does it mean a combo of grading your comic and verifying the signature at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanders82 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Can I resubmit comics with a CGC Qualified green label for JSA autograph authentication? Yes. Autographed comics with a CGC Qualified green label are eligible for CGC x JSA certification. Submit these books under an applicable grading tier and select “JSA Autograph Authentication” as an add-on service. JSA will determine if the autograph is genuine, and CGC will regrade and encapsulate the comic. So if I submit a qualified label slab, the book will be regraded and I'll be charged a grading fee in addition to the authentication fee? Iconic1s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHWL Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 A bit confused by how books with unwitnessed sig and sketch be treated. Says in the FAQ that "if the autograph is authentic, and it is determined that the sketch will negatively impact the overall grade of the comic, the comic will receive a CGC Qualified green label. Alternatively, if it is determined that the sketch will not negatively impact the grade of the comic, the comic will receive the CGC x JSA Authentic Autograph label." But in the sample provided in the article, this Venom Lethal Protector got the new JSA label but the sketch presumably impacted the grade (hence the 9.6?) and the label doesn't note there is a sketch...? The other company I believe would authenticate the signature and grade the book without the remark impacting the grade and simply note the sketch on the label. Would appreciate some clarity as I have some books I would like to submit for this new program (see JSC signed and sketched Spider Gwen as an example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarkjobber Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) In the case that a signed sketch cover is submitted, will it simply state "[Artist] Authenticated Autograph" with no mention of the sketch? Or will the label also note something like "with unverified sketch"? Edited May 8 by smarkjobber clarity/removed repeat question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 7:37 PM, Flanders82 said: So if I submit a qualified label slab, the book will be regraded and I'll be charged a grading fee in addition to the authentication fee? I have the same question. Do we pay the "reholder" fee + JSA fee, or do we pay the "grading" fee % + JSA? Flanders82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 5:10 PM, dbcn said: @MattM CS are the new yellow/black labels going to work similarly to the current system with custom labels? I have several non-custom labels with the 'CGC Sig Series' centered. All of the custom labels have the 'CGC Sig Series' left aligned to make room for the custom label image. If you get a custom label with the JSA Authentication, will that label copy also be left justified (and then the custom label appears above the black header? seems like it could get pretty crowded...) Thx! Good Eye! Unfortunately, I have not seen these labels yet but I am sure our label designers will take this into account before announcing these custom labels. Thanks for your patience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 7:46 PM, Marsboy01 said: I collect sketch covers often these are done with out a witness. Up to this point I have been sending them to for signature verification, then having them encapsulate the comic with an "Art" label rather than have the book graded. I do this as the art is the unique value setting component, and I feel a grade hit for dirt transfer from an Artist's art board, would distract from the art itself. Now that JSA is onboard with CGC, would I be able to submit a sketch cover for signature verification (obviously the art is not authenticated) and have the book encapsulated without being graded? Hello! JSA does not authenticate aftermarket sketches. If this book was submitted and the autograph is authentic, but it is determined that the sketch will negatively impact the overall grade of the comic, the comic will receive a CGC Qualified green label. Alternatively, if it is determined that the sketch will not negatively impact the grade of the comic, the comic will receive the CGC x JSA Authentic Autograph label. If the autograph is not genuine, the comic will receive the CGC Universal blue label. In all scenarios, the label text and grader notes will indicate the outcome of JSA’s evaluation and state that a sketch is present on the comic. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 8:52 PM, Sigur Ros said: 1) How many signatures can you include in one submission (not graded sigs, just verification)? More than 2 I assume? 2) are you going to offer a sig verification "pre-screen" where you can submit a photo (for a fee) and get an idea if the sig will pass or not? (like the other guys do). 3) If more than one sig on a book and one fails, what happens ? The other guys consider that a fail on all sigs but keep all fees. In other words if there are 10 signatures, and the first one they try to verify fails.. they stop there but keep all the money. 1. Up to 99 per book (see example of what a label like this looks like here). As a reminder each signature is $25 despite if they are all on the same book or not. 2. Not at this time. I have not heard of this being offered in the future but will send it up to the flagpole to review for possible future implementation. The one downside of this is that our team needs the book in hand to review, unfortunately. 3. Each signature will be reviewed individually. If one is found to be inconclusive, fraudulent, or something like an autopen or a secretary was used to sign the item, this will be noted and can be reviewed on the certification lookup page which will have ALL the notes. This will not affect the other 9 signatures, however. If the other 9 are authentic, this will be visible on the label. Sigur Ros 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 9:42 PM, rpgdreamers said: what the heck is an autograph grading? is that separate from a comic grading or does it mean a combo of grading your comic and verifying the signature at the same time? This is an additional service to the Signature Authentication by CGCxJSA. Using this service we will review the condition of the signature. After signing so many books markers will dry out. In some cases, this can cause the signature to skip or smear. Another great example to explain the review of the condition of the signature that was used in the other JSA board was Stan Lee. Stan has the most recognizable signature across all of comics. In the 90s and early 2000s some of his signatures looked so crisp that you would think they were printed on. Examples from his final years before passing however can be found with a few smears, a little shaky, or skipping from Sharpies. These are some but not all of the things that are reviewed with this Signature Grading Service. There will be more information about this coming soon though as we have received alot of questions about this new offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 10:37 PM, Flanders82 said: So if I submit a qualified label slab, the book will be regraded and I'll be charged a grading fee in addition to the authentication fee? Correct. The Authentication service is only available for new grading submissions. This is not available for reholder services. Yorick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 11:13 PM, smarkjobber said: In the case that a signed sketch cover is submitted, will it simply state "[Artist] Authenticated Autograph" with no mention of the sketch? Or will the label also note something like "with unverified sketch"? If the autograph is authentic, and it is determined that the sketch will negatively impact the overall grade of the comic, the comic will receive a CGC Qualified green label. Alternatively, if it is determined that the sketch will not negatively impact the grade of the comic, the comic will receive the CGC x JSA Authentic Autograph label. If the autograph is not genuine, the comic will receive the CGC Universal blue label. In all scenarios, the label text and grader notes will indicate the outcome of JSA’s evaluation and state that a sketch is present on the comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 11:35 PM, Yorick said: I have the same question. Do we pay the "reholder" fee + JSA fee, or do we pay the "grading" fee % + JSA? The Authentication service is only available for new grading submissions. This is not available for reholder services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator MattM CS Posted May 8 Author Administrator Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 10:51 PM, CHWL said: A bit confused by how books with unwitnessed sig and sketch be treated. Says in the FAQ that "if the autograph is authentic, and it is determined that the sketch will negatively impact the overall grade of the comic, the comic will receive a CGC Qualified green label. Alternatively, if it is determined that the sketch will not negatively impact the grade of the comic, the comic will receive the CGC x JSA Authentic Autograph label." But in the sample provided in the article, this Venom Lethal Protector got the new JSA label but the sketch presumably impacted the grade (hence the 9.6?) and the label doesn't note there is a sketch...? The other company I believe would authenticate the signature and grade the book without the remark impacting the grade and simply note the sketch on the label. Would appreciate some clarity as I have some books I would like to submit for this new program (see JSC signed and sketched Spider Gwen as an example). This is a question I was asked in our other JSA chat as well. I am waiting for more information on this. Thanks for your patience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/8/2024 at 9:32 AM, MattM CS said: Alternatively, if it is determined that the sketch will not negatively impact the grade of the comic... [and] ... If the autograph is not genuine, the comic will receive the CGC Universal blue label. This makes zero sense to me @MattM CS - so if there's an un-authenticated signature and a sketch on the cover it would get a blue label? Why wouldn't it get a green qualified label? I read this as: say I submit a book with my best impression of a Stan Lee signature and a really good drawing of Wolverine, done by me. If I don't select the JSA authentication, I'm going to get a green label 'Name written in pen' - but if I pay the $25 for JSA authentication, and it fails (which hopefully it would), I'd get a blue label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
