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Fazybones

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I just have to pass this on to my war buddies and if any of you enjoy reading

books you have to find a book called "Fearless" by Eric Blehm. It's about a

Navy Seal Team Six Operator and all the obstacles he had to overcome. My

Husband told me to read it and I've read it three times and it's not your typical

war story and it's a love story about a man and his love of GOD, his Family

and his brother Seals. Not always in that order.

 

Thanks to all you guys who bought some of my books. (worship)

 

 

 

fay :foryou:

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MisterX

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unless it isn't....

 

:shy:

 

I hear what you guys are saying, and I agree.

 

But CGC puts "First appearance of Gunner and Sarge," on the OFF 45 label. It's a bit...misleading? Wrong?

 

It could be phrased better.

 

 

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JollyComics

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Don't forget about G.I. Combat #138 featured 1st appearance of the Losers EVER before the losers became regular after starting on OFF 123. CGC confused badly as well as we are.

 

CGC finally typed 1st appearance of Gunner and Sarge on the label for OFF 45 after few years without mentioning about them.

 

There is confusing about first prototype of Sgt Rock - which book deserves to get the credit: ALL AMERICAN MEN OF WAR #28 (1955) 1st prototype of Sgt Rock. But all credits went to G.I. Combat #68 instead. Of course, it is the last prototype of him in OAAW #81 before he became the regular after OAAW #83.

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comick1

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Alrighty.

Unlike Sgt. Rock, Gunner and Sarge don't really suffer from the whole prototype problem. That is to say, G&S prototypes haven't been documented to my knowledge. That's not to say they don't exist. It wouldn't be a huge shock if there were a few. Anyway, AAMOW 67 and 68 are the first and second apps of Gunner and Sarge. Speaking for myself, though, I've always been partial to that OFF 45. In at least one way, there's a parallel between AAMOW 67 and OAAW 81. I'm not going to say that G&S are prototypes or that they aren't fully formed in AAMOW 67, but I will say that they were drawn by Andru and Esposito which aren't the quintessential artists associated with the characters long tenure in OFF. Interestingly, Kanigher DID write AAMOW 67, but apparently it took him an issue [a single issue] to figure out that Grandenetti was a better fit for the characters than A&E. In 67, credits go to Kanigher and A&E. But in 68, it's Kanigher and Grandenetti. I have to agree with Kanigher's choice. Grandenetti's gritty abstract approach makes the whole series one of my favorites. It took me some time to get excited about Grandenetti, but I figured out that his thick lines gave the series a darker and moodier feel. Kanigher must've noticed this because he stuck Grandenetti on the title for the long haul starting with OFF 45.

 

Another interesting thing about AAMOW 67 is that the G&S story isn't the lead story, but rather, the last one. In this same time period, Kanigher was experimenting with other characters like Tank Killer (GIC 67, AAMOW 69, 71) and more notably, Sgt. Rock. Some of these ideas were moving out of the "formative" stages (Rock), but it's interesting to note that all of this was happening right around the same time. By AAMOW 68, G&S get the lead story and that's the way it stayed through the OFF series for MANY issues thereafter.

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MrBedrock

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....and Wild Bill Kelso's. Where the hell is he? :sumo:
I'll see him Tuesday and give him an earful.
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comick1

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Thanks, Andy!

 

:applause:

 

I love your posts.

 

....and Wild Bill Kelso's. Where the hell is he? :sumo:

 

Silence from the WBK corner of the ring doesn't usually denote "buying freeze". . .just the opposite, which means he's probably on a war comics tear! :fear: :fear: :fear:

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Alrighty.

Unlike Sgt. Rock, Gunner and Sarge don't really suffer from the whole prototype problem. That is to say, G&S prototypes haven't been documented to my knowledge. That's not to say they don't exist. It wouldn't be a huge shock if there were a few. Anyway, AAMOW 67 and 68 are the first and second apps of Gunner and Sarge. Speaking for myself, though, I've always been partial to that OFF 45. In at least one way, there's a parallel between AAMOW 67 and OAAW 81. I'm not going to say that G&S are prototypes or that they aren't fully formed in AAMOW 67, but I will say that they were drawn by Andru and Esposito which aren't the quintessential artists associated with the characters long tenure in OFF. Interestingly, Kanigher DID write AAMOW 67, but apparently it took him an issue [a single issue] to figure out that Grandenetti was a better fit for the characters than A&E. In 67, credits go to Kanigher and A&E. But in 68, it's Kanigher and Grandenetti. I have to agree with Kanigher's choice. Grandenetti's gritty abstract approach makes the whole series one of my favorites. It took me some time to get excited about Grandenetti, but I figured out that his thick lines gave the series a darker and moodier feel. Kanigher must've noticed this because he stuck Grandenetti on the title for the long haul starting with OFF 45.

 

Another interesting thing about AAMOW 67 is that the G&S story isn't the lead story, but rather, the last one. In this same time period, Kanigher was experimenting with other characters like Tank Killer (GIC 67, AAMOW 69, 71) and more notably, Sgt. Rock. Some of these ideas were moving out of the "formative" stages (Rock), but it's interesting to note that all of this was happening right around the same time. By AAMOW 68, G&S get the lead story and that's the way it stayed through the OFF series for MANY issues thereafter.

 

Thanks for this analysis, Comick1!

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Yer welcome, Mr.X!

 

Of all the cool things in the Big-5 (and there are many), I would always include Jerry Grandenetti's Gunner, Sarge, and Pooch in the highest echelon. Grandenetti worked on the titles from the very beginning of the Big-5, unlike Heath and Kubert who are most often sited as the war comics' artistic titans. JG's covers have developed a considerable fan-following in and of themselves and he's won over quite a few believers right here on these boards, but in this CGC-era of cover hyper-appreciation, people have less exposure to the issues' contents and more specifically, his brilliance as an interior artist.

 

Some of you know of his too-loose 70s work and some stuff with Warren, but during the 50s and early 60s. JG's art was rarely seen OUTside the Big-5 titles . The only exception that comes to mind is his work on "Strong Bow" in the pages of the 10¢ All-Star Western which was another Kanigher-edited title. A lot of people think of Sgt. Rock and Haunted Tank as being the quintessential Big-5 series, but the often-overlooked G&S weren't really derivative afterthought knockoffs since their first appearance in AAMOW actually PRECEDES Sgt. Rock in OAAW 83 [and incidentally OAAW 81 by a month]. In fact, OAAW 83 shares the same publishing date as OFF 46--the 4th (!!) appearance of G&S.

 

Grandenetti's work looks pretty rough to an unaccustomed eye, but it evolved deliberately toward a more abstract and stylized look. In Grandenetti's own words, he gradually embraced greater abstraction and looser lines as the years went by. I'm not a big Warren fan in general, but have seen some of JG's work in Eerie and Creepy. He referred to THAT as his most rewarding period, but if you asked me, I'd go further back to the 5 or so years leading up to mid-1964 when he bailed on the Big-5. Primo Gunner, Sarge, and Pooch.

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Yer welcome, Mr.X!

 

Of all the cool things in the Big-5 (and there are many), I would always include Jerry Grandenetti's Gunner, Sarge, and Pooch in the highest echelon. Grandenetti worked on the titles from the very beginning of the Big-5, unlike Heath and Kubert who are most often sited as the war comics' artistic titans. JG's covers have developed a considerable fan-following in and of themselves and he's won over quite a few believers right here on these boards, but in this CGC-era of cover hyper-appreciation, people have less exposure to the issues' contents and more specifically, his brilliance as an interior artist.

 

Some of you know of his too-loose 70s work and some stuff with Warren, but during the 50s and early 60s. JG's art was rarely seen OUTside the Big-5 titles . The only exception that comes to mind is his work on "Strong Bow" in the pages of the 10¢ All-Star Western which was another Kanigher-edited title. A lot of people think of Sgt. Rock and Haunted Tank as being the quintessential Big-5 series, but the often-overlooked G&S weren't really derivative afterthought knockoffs since their first appearance in AAMOW actually PRECEDES Sgt. Rock in OAAW 83 [and incidentally OAAW 81 by a month]. In fact, OAAW 83 shares the same publishing date as OFF 46--the 4th (!!) appearance of G&S.

 

Grandenetti's work looks pretty rough to an unaccustomed eye, but it evolved deliberately toward a more abstract and stylized look. In Grandenetti's own words, he gradually embraced greater abstraction and looser lines as the years went by. I'm not a big Warren fan in general, but have seen some of JG's work in Eerie and Creepy. He referred to THAT as his most rewarding period, but if you asked me, I'd go further back to the 5 or so years leading up to mid-1964 when he bailed on the Big-5. Primo Gunner, Sarge, and Pooch.

 

My first exposure to Grandenetti was Prez, I think.

 

It took me awhile to realize the DC war artist was the same guy!

 

His 60s Warren stuff is pretty moody, good for horror.

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Does the results of this auction on Comiclink surprise anyone? Especially considering the subscription crease? And did anyone here win this?

 

STAR SPANGLED WAR STORIES #84 - The Auction Has Ended

Item description:

1959, 1st Mademoiselle Marie appearance. Novick cover

Publisher: DC

Condition: CGC 4.5 VG+

Page Quality: Cream to Off-White Pages

Type of Holder: Universal

Degree Of Restoration: Unrestored

Current Bid: Sign-In

Number Of Bids: 19

End Date: 1/25/2013 11:23:56 PM

 

$207.00

 

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