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On 7/6/2023 at 12:10 PM, Ryan. said:

What's it at now?

Went for 9,100 or close to it. 

23 book slow Modern

delivered 6/29 not checked in yet. 4th probably pushing it back more than normal bottleneck. 

The Thing is already mentioned but I’d also add Big Trouble in Little China. 

Was anyone else going after the 4.5 on Clink? I bowed out after it hit 6k. 

New collectors dipping their toes in slabbing, people who are very bad at grading, personal books that they don’t want anymore, and people who got caught up in the wildness that was 2020-2022. 
 

On 6/30/2023 at 3:40 PM, littledoom said:

My dealer friend was surprised I wasn't at that estate sale. I didn't know about it but went hours after he got there. I picked these comics & mags up while he was leaving for $3 each. I also happened to find a Destroyer Duck #1 which was signed by Jack "King" Kirby! My first, one and only   I called my friend and he got the 2nd & 3rd Sabertooth, Wolverine #8 & Cap #354. Another dealer there got Death Rattle #1, Jonah Hex #1, Hulk #377 3rd print & Starslayer #2. My dealer friend from the first post has a bunch of more keys he forgot to photograph like Cap Annual 8 and Wrightson Swamp Things. The last photo includes $1 comics from a diff yard sale

That's what was left over after hours!?  Ya'll killed it!  

This thread has big old school CGC board energy going on. I like it. 

The books I’m after have been going for 25%+ more than earlier in the year. These are not rare,  not 9.8s, and not attached to movie hype. It’s pretty weird, considering the overall trend in prices. 

Taken from the awful sewing circles of FB comic groups. 

On 6/26/2023 at 11:12 AM, manetteska said:

I don't know what to say other than that's a completely different order of events than every order I have put in with CGC for grading.

However, as can be seen from my above post, I haven't submitted in a bit and I don't submit often.

Didn’t they change when cards are billed a few years ago? 
 

Also, dude has been pretttttty quiet lately 

On 6/26/2023 at 10:58 AM, wombat said:

I think the problem is some of the examples we continue to see are so blatant. It just makes you question the entire process. 

That’s another problem with the confirmation bias we see in this thread. We see the most egregious examples mixed in with things like scuffing. They’re both QC problems and are examples of systematic issues but they’re not really comparable. Damaging a book, loosing a book, and freakishly bad grading shouldn’t be lumped into a case with a hair. They both suck for the customer but aren’t the same things and create false equivalency’s that make it all seem like the Wild West. 
 

I definitely think the biggest problems are not paying people enough to attract decent talent that care and a culture of profit above all else that magnifies these QC problems. They existed before Blackrock took over but they’ve really ramped up since. I’d imagine the massive uptick in submissions over the last few years hasn’t helped. If your QC failure rate is 2%, we’re going to see A LOT of examples when the submission numbers jump 500% (I made those numbers up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). 

On 6/26/2023 at 4:57 AM, I like pie said:

Correct. It's only unquantifiable because it won't be admitted to. 

That’s not what makes it unquantifiable. Sorry if I’m being pedantic but your gut feeling about something doesn’t make it true (or false, in my case). The only way to get even slightly usable numbers is if CGC gives us their monthly submission numbers AND their ME return numbers to compare it to.
 

That’s obviously not perfect because - like you said - some people are not paying super close attention to the QC of the books returned. But that’s another variable that we can’t know except for our own anecdotal experiences and the (hopefully true) anecdotal experiences from other submitters. 
 

Hopefully it’s not sounding like I’m Stan-ing for CGC.  Their track record over the last 5+ years has been a bit wobbly to say the least.  It just bugs me when people make super hyperbolic statements. 

On 6/25/2023 at 8:33 PM, I like pie said:

Absolutely disagree. The majority of CGCs revenue comes from flippers, online stores and brick & mortar. 

Most of them don't check for all the these QC issues, falsely assuming CGC is doing their job.

By the time the books get into the hands of the end buyer, it's too late to do anything about it.

You're making an unquantifiable claim.  I guess so was I.   

Any of you prolific submitters want to weigh in?  @greggy? @NewWorldOrder? @mycomicshop? 

I can speak from my narrow point of view that I've only had to send 1 book back for being mislabeled and had maybe 3 books with puddling?  Out of maybe 200 books.  

On 6/25/2023 at 12:57 PM, Gaard said:

I've sent dozens of submissions to CGC over the last decade. I stopped a while back due to all their shenanigans. I still buy graded books.

The only reason I ask is because it's not at all like gambling and MOST of the time, you know exactly what you're going to get.  I feel like a broken record by saying that this thread is NOT the reality for most submitters.  It serves two purposes.  1) To highlight the actual terrible QC issues when they come up, and 2) A gathering for confirming bias.  

Did you stop submitting because you personally were having too many QC issues or did you stop because you started reading about more QC issues?  

On 6/25/2023 at 9:53 AM, Gaard said:

I think it's safe to say that if you use CGC's services, you are a gambling man. Whenever you send them your comics, you're basically rolling the dice.

I don't remember if I've asked you this but have you ever submitted to CGC?  Or do you own/buy graded books? 

Just when I think there’s no more juice in this orange, y’all find a way to squeeze a gallon. Wowwwwwwww. 

WTF did I just read?  Geeeeeeez

On 6/2/2023 at 8:58 AM, Sigur Ros said:

Some people can read 259 pages about books not being caught by QC and act like it's rare.  

Here’s the thing: it is kinda rare. It sucks when it happens and REALLLLLY sucks when it damages a book or otherwise costs the submitter money. Those instances ARE rare in the context of just how many tens of thousands of books are submitted a month. That doesn’t make them ok and doesn’t make CGC not have terrible optics. 

This thread isn’t 259 pages where every post is a QC nightmare. It’s more than there should be - sure. But let’s stop pretending that every book that comes back is dripping in newton rings or scratches. CGC’s stance on those QC problems is another issue entirely. 

On 6/2/2023 at 8:12 AM, Iconic1s said:

So I guess that QC from the ‘most trusted’ company means spot checking every few books then…

This is a bit different than a small hair, or plastic shard (which is also unacceptable) it’s a huge piece of paper.  Even the shipping guy could have seen this and stopped it from going out (if the company had a culture where they care about customer satisfaction).

I stand behind my statement that they aren’t doing QC… they are slinging books through so fast and just rolling the dice that things work out (for them).

As for a more iconic duo… how about your lips and my …

Having a bad day, dude? Need to talk about it? 

On 6/1/2023 at 5:35 PM, Iconic1s said:

CGC… beyond repute??  People can pay tens of thousands of dollars for a grade bump from this company.

This is ABSOLUTE proof CGC does not do QC… at all!

No it's not.  It's proof that this particular book didn't go through QC.  Comic book people and hyperbole...name a more iconic duo.  

On 5/30/2023 at 5:55 PM, smarkjobber said:

There are like seven of these FF slabs on ebay in 7.0 and only two are  priced below $850 (a CBCS and restored label). Did this dude also dm all the other listings to complain? If I wasted time on every book that I saw on ebay that was overpriced I'd have no time at all. Wouldn't block this buyer, but their behavior is not commendable in the slightest.

What people are asking and what they are selling for are very different things.  But I'd also just ignore anyone trying to be the price-police in eBay.  

What kinds of bags/boards do you guys use for these?  Gold?  The "thick" silver bags?  

Yep...Not renewing membership after this.  I've never even sent a ME return back but if this is the way forward for this company, don't let the door hit ya where God split ya.  

It’s less a need to sell and more of I hate having dead stock because I’d rather have cash flow for buying more.  
 

definitely have very little in anything I’m selling, which is nice. Makes the pill easier to swallow when you have like, $.15 to $.50 in each book.