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You are assuming that the work they did makes the items being submitted akin to "not comic books." Whether that is the case or not will likely be one of the key factual disputes in the case.

No they haven't. This has nothing to do with what they are being sued for. The claims sound in defamation, false light and tortious interference with business relationships.

Here is where the real problem lies - we (high end comic collectors and CGC customers) understand these concepts almost subconsciously - we know what wraps, leafcasting, restoration, near mint etc. mean. It is quite an art to get a trier of fact (can be a judge or a jury) to understand an industry with as much arcane terminology and tenuous connection to real life as comic collecting. Whether this is tried to a judge or a jury, it will be difficult to present and difficult to educate them. It's hard enough in construction or manufacturing disputes, but the esoterica in this suit is almost unbelievable.

Not true. They prevailed by a summary proceeding. The Court of Appeals stated that decision by summary proceding was improper. They basically go back to the beginning and both sides will have the opportunity to present proof.

I have never seen Bill Wray’s signature, but I think that is a possibility.

Sweet greggy money . . .

D’oh

First off - your logic is unassailable and well presented. But you look at things like an engineer - there is only one right way to build a bridge - so it doesn’t fall. Engineers often struggle in law school because they will often choose the “right” side of the argument and refuse to hear anything about the other side. They struggle because the goal is not to be right, it is to understand the nature of disputes, understanding that in any given situation you may get the plaintiff or the defendant, and you are going to have to deal with whatever you were dealt. in your situation, you were so clearly the aggrieved party that it seems as if there is no counter argument. But what about the hundreds of books that get sent in where the people “swear” the book was perfect but their own poor grading, eyesight, knowledge or packing was really the culprit. Your illustration of witnessing signatures also sounds unassailable as well. But if you are dealing with a doddering octogenarian- you are going to get some rough handling of books. You try to make a move at Stan Lee, Frank Frazetta or Joe Simon in that situation and you are likely going to face resistance from their people. Randall, you present excellent arguments. My position is that real life is just way too messy for your logician’s mentality.

I really don’t disagree with you - at all. We are actually saying (mostly) the same thing. If you want insurance, buy insurance. If you are aggrieved by the negligence of a third party, make a claim to them - you may have to sue them to recover. if you are someone (like me) who wants to try and improve the looks of your comics, and you use a pressing service and/or a grading service to increase the perceived value of your comics, then, when accidents happen, which they will, you can seek recompense through the avenues described above, or you can realize that but for your own actions, your book would still be pristine in a Mylar at home.

What does morality have to do with it? They are pretty clear - pay more money and your stuff will be done faster. Don't and it will be done slower. There is no moral ambiguity there.

First off they NEVER return old labels. Secondly, the only way to request that it not be graded if not at least a certain grade is to do a pre-screen. You can't send a scrawled note in that says "Don't grade this unless it's going to be a ____." Finally, books do get jacked up with pressing mistakes. I had a Yogi Bear #1 that was 9.0 (and would have pressed to 9.4-9.6 minimum) come back 6.5 because the book got torn. Coming out of the press, going into a mylar - I don't know. But I didn't cry about it (publicly anyway) because I wanted it pressed and something happened. It wouldn't have happened if I didn't send it in to get pressed. I put my big boy pants on and realized that at the end of the day no one is going to insure that they won't make a mistake, and it was my conscious choice to try and improve the grade. Nut up people.

This thread is funny - "I want more money for my "authentic" stuff. CGC = more money. CGC won't authenticate my stuff. CGC sucks. What are all these toys doing in my baby carriage? I'm gonna throw them out." Just do a shallow dive into the depths of fraud that took place in sports autographs with "authentication" and "COAs."

It's a disclaimer. They are telling you what can happen so they can disclaim liability. It's pretty standard. It's why the doctor tells you you might die from your angioplasty.

JB had custom hand stamps for the logo and the price. This is a copy that didn't get hand stamped for the price. Are you certain it is a first print?

1st off, most people just call them newsstands or news stands. In 1986, there was both a robust direct market and a thriving news stand market. Personally, I would not put a high premium on a newsstand from that era at all. But there is a huge groundswell of people who are pushing this agenda that all newsstands are more rare or valuable than the comparable direct edition. That is a complete load. Yes there are some that are (I think the high grade Image newsstands are super cool, personally) and there certainly is a lot of interesting information out there on print runs of newsstands as the market was completely dying. I would tend to think that as the market gets more sophisticated, the last of the dying breed will continue to carry a premium over direct editions. So to sum up - should there be a premium for that book, I don't think so. But there might be becasue of this massive groundswell of interest in newsstands, and the popular idea that they are, across the board, more desirable and more valuable.

Yes - that would do nicely!

I am bumping this thread in the hopes that someone can tell me either (1) how to get the hour and a half back that I spent watching this turd or (2) if there is an affordable DC-sanctioned mindwipe service. I'll take the answer off air.

+1

I would have thought with the tech we've seen so far that they would have guarded the 2nd most powerful substance in Wakanda with more than some old ladies and kids.

They could take care of that fairly easily by showing them drilling into a new part of the Vibranium hoard and discovering a chamber with more HSH.

Been thinking about this a bit. If they focus on Wakanda as a whole (think Tales of Asgard), there are tons of excellent supporting characters that will make for good entertainment, but I do think there needs to be a powerful lead, if they are going to do multiple movies.

What a loss. So sad.

It's not that they don't take it into consideration. It's that, based upon the totality of the circumstances, with all defects included, it is a 6.5. You could add a few more defects, in my opinion, and it still would be a 6.5. It is not a situation where each defect reduces the number grade no matter what. There is a cumulative effect, and an overall eye appeal factor as well.

That was exactly how I felt about it.