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Detective Comics #10 CGC 4.0 for sale for anyone interested.

I was wondering when you were going to post something here. (thumbs u

The AW #1 is cool, but that Cap is probably my favorite Cap cover of all time. So graceful! The MMC #13 is my next planned MMC acquisition. I just love early Schomburg...especially when he used green in the cover. Very nice! R.

That might sum it up. In the end you can decide what you feel the book is worth based in the description, not the CGC or overstreet grade. (thumbs u

Ken they are not grading the book without the defect. Some sellers don't feel comfortable grading some defects so they might say something along the lines of "would be 7.0 but for the detached centerfold"...or they could say "7.0...would grade higher except the book has a detached centerfold". See the difference? One is grading the book *except* the one defect he does not want to add into the grade equation, the other has provided an actual grade with a description of what keeps it from grading higher. I don't think CGC "bends" the rules as much as they try to find a compromise or balance between defects and eye appeal. Whether we agree with their idea of *balance* is another thing but Overstreet was extrememly harsh and unforgiving on some things despite the appearance of the rest of the book...this is I think where CGC has improvised a bit. R.

That had to be a screw up. No way that is possible. Still have a scan? R. Pedigree has a FF 77 CGC 9.2 blue label / centerfold detached from bottom staple only / noted on label and btw- the book has been for sale for a year and even though it is priced to sell no one seems to want it http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=1568 Crazy. If you're going to grade books, then effin grade books. That can't be better than a 7.0/7.5. No wonder I stopped buying slabs. In both greggy's case and this Pedigree case these were done on very old grading labels. Unless we get an official answer the only thing I can say is that CGC was probably in a state of evolution and no longer do this. To me it's unheard of to have a NM range book with a popped staple. There was a Hawkman #1 on Pedigree that was spectacular a few years ago. The book was 9.4/9.6 gorgeous with a popped staple at the centerfold. It was graded an 8.5. That to me was a reasonable compromise as a NM grade would have been foolish. By limiting the book to the VF range the book was not done a dis-service nor would be the buyer. That was where I extarapolated my logic and thought that CGC would never give a book with a popped centerfold (at one staple) more than an 8.5. The only thing about that book though, was that there was NO label notation about the centerfold being popped. I had to call for grader's notes to get that info. R.

Actually I think it's more like this: Overstreet guidlines are the rule. CGC "bends" overstreet guidlines to make exceptions in extreme cases. Example. A 9.8 book has a centerfold loose at one staple. Overstreet (can't remember right now) lists it at VG range or Fine range. CGC gives it an 8.5. Something like that, anyways. R.

That had to be a screw up. No way that is possible. Still have a scan? R.

I think the highest a book can grade with CGC is 8.5 with a detached centerfold at one staple. The book has to be otherwise flawless for something like that to happen. I had an early SA book with a detached centerfold (one staple) that CGC gave a 6.5. The book was a 7.0/7.5 otherwise. The reason some books grade lower is because there are other defects bringing the book down. For example if a book is already a VG or VG/F the detached centerfold does not bring the book down as much as if the book was a VF or NM book. Keep in mind that books can have 1, 2 or 3 staples. R.

Orange streets and pink building ledges? What an atrocious comic!

I'll be listing some different books this weekend if I can get to the local kinkos to scan a few slabs...GA, SA...little bit of everything.

Picked this beauty up a while back. First Avon comic with a beautiful lady in a killer red dress....as if I had to explain that to anyone...ok, she's blonde and I'm a brunette type of guy but she has got those curves going on!

Tough call Vern. Steve sold it to me as a 3.0. Initially I disagreed (when I first saw the scan of the book with the pieces on the spine missing) but then he brought it to Chicago and when I saw it in hand I thought "man this book is too nice to be a 2.5 from all the rough 2.5's I've seen". Without the pieces missing it'd probaly be in the 7.0/7.5 range. I'm going to stick with the 3.0 grade for now. Who knows what CGC will grade it? 2.5/3.0/3.5? All my personal copies are unlsabbed so it'll stay that way until it's time to sell. I may rescan it and get some opinions in the grading forum a bit later on. It's really a gorgeous book in hand though. R.

Just got this little gem in from our boy Steve 143ksk. It should keep my #9 nice and warm. Thanks for taking my money being patient. Believe me when I tell you the book looks way better in hand than a scan can show. Along with the book Steve sent me an original 1964 post dated envelope that this book was mailed in when it was sold as a back issue AND a little hand written note inside the envelope from a creator (I'll have to do a little research for a back story on him) that sold the book to another collector. I'll have to scan that soon for y'all to see. All in all a very cool package! Thanks Steve! R.

I just saw this. Wow. I love this book.

Vern, sweet book! Let me know if you ever get an overcopy...that is right up my alley! (thumbs u

here is a shot of my computer from today Rick, the stuff'll kill ya. Seriously.

You mean like FF 110? Very good question. I'd've thought such an error (I've not seen one of those before, fwiw) would've been treated the same way. There are no structural problems to qualify the grade. I assume it could go for more than a regular Avengers 10 as it is rare - but the market is sometimes skewed regarding error books like this. FF 110 "green" version usually goes for a large premium, especially in high grade, whereas other books with similar "defects" do not. Maybe it's because it's still aesthetically eye-catching, but that's just a guess. Either way, great books - impressive how many have white pages. And that Cap 110 is the nicest (whitest) I've seen. If the book is in a GLOD, then the Manufacturing Error is treated as a defect. You could resub the book and request a Blue label, but expect the grade to come down sharply. The FF 110 Error Version is notoriously tough to find in HG, and the slabbed copy - in a Blue label - in the current ComicLink Focused Auction is a fine minus. Since the defect of the switched plates didn't affect the overall grade, it got a blue label. God, how I hate the whole concept of the Green label. How I hate it so I wonder. What if because the *printing defect* appears on a large portion of books like the FF #110 it becomes a collected variant while a less common defect simply makes the defect an annoyance...this could be the criteria to determining which label it goes into. For example, isn't there a Captain America Comics #1 with a similar color defect that gets a blue label because it is also fairly well know and *common* and yet another Cap (can remember the issue # but Billy Parker owns it) got a GLOD because either a) the defect was only prominant on a few copies or b) it was not aesthetically pleasing. Just a few random thoughts. R.

Scanner contrast setting Nik, I've see WHITE outer covers with inner pages getting a c/ow designation. Interior newsprint can age while the cover inks do not.

..BUT...BUT...that would be the end of all things as we know them...

Wow. Well,there you go. I remembered it being higher grade but not the issue # ! I only remembered the Black masthead as I'm not too familiar with Caps. What a gorgeous book! Do you have a grade assigned? BTW, let me know when you upgrade!

Vern I was wondering what the Cap would grade out as...I thought it was a bit nicer than 6.0 Sweet book!

For the record, I kiss Bob's azz when he buys books from me at over GPA prices. Bob, you are 100% at being "behind the curve"...but you are at the forefront of the business. I'll take GPA over an Overstreet Guide any day of the week (though I use both). It's the best we collectors can do.

Geez Roy, it's a wonder that those of us who were collecting for decades before GPA and the internet came into existence aren't all paupers today. Yet, somehow, we managed to figure out FMV on our own and survive, just like every kid who rode a bicycle without a helmet in the old days didn't immediately die of massive head trauma. Roy used the word "average" for a reason. GPA removes a significant barrier to entry in the high grade market. While I am sure that most people on these boards (who represent the most advanced set of comic collectors) would be fine without GPA, I don't think that entends across the whole hobby. Personally, I welcome every new buyer. If a novice wants to use GPA as a replacement for years of pricing research and market experience, fine with me, because that person might not otherwise buy high dollar books. Looks like the lawyer newbie caught what the old bull missed. Thanks Andy for putting that into a short and concise thought. T, why does the newbie have to work through the rungs? No market moves that slow anymore? Information travels at the speed of light and decisions even faster in this day and age. In every business. As much as I would prefer it the old way (a slow maturing) those days are gone. Adapt or get out of the way is the way it goes today. I'd rather adapt and use all the power at my fingertips that is available. R. I'm not saying newbies (or any collector for that matter) shouldn't use GPA. I'm just saying it's no substitute for experience and good judgment, and the only way to get experience and good judgment is to work yourself up through the rungs. I don't think the internet or lots of information at your fingertips changes that. Yes, some nouveau rich guy can come in and splash lots of money without really understanding anything about the market. But how many times have we seen that happen and then the guy eventually and inevitably gets burned and leaves the hobby forever. I'm not saying that didn't also happen in the past, but today these newbies have a false sense of security because of all the information resources you mention, and then they get burned even worse because prices are higher and they had this false expectation that they knew what they were doing. It's definitely not good for the long-term health of the hobby. Agreed. Now can you stop starting every reply to me with "Geez, Roy!"

Geez Roy, it's a wonder that those of us who were collecting for decades before GPA and the internet came into existence aren't all paupers today. Yet, somehow, we managed to figure out FMV on our own and survive, just like every kid who rode a bicycle without a helmet in the old days didn't immediately die of massive head trauma. Roy used the word "average" for a reason. GPA removes a significant barrier to entry in the high grade market. While I am sure that most people on these boards (who represent the most advanced set of comic collectors) would be fine without GPA, I don't think that entends across the whole hobby. Personally, I welcome every new buyer. If a novice wants to use GPA as a replacement for years of pricing research and market experience, fine with me, because that person might not otherwise buy high dollar books. Looks like the lawyer newbie caught what the old bull missed. Thanks Andy for putting that into a short and concise thought. T, why does the newbie have to work through the rungs? No market moves that slow anymore? Information travels at the speed of light and decisions even faster in this day and age. In every business. As much as I would prefer it the old way (a slow maturing) those days are gone. Adapt or get out of the way is the way it goes today. I'd rather adapt and use all the power at my fingertips that is available. R.