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funny you guys say that stuff. growing up with Reeves performance, I see that suit and his casual pose AS Supes himself! Its ingrained in my brain. Even when Reeves shows up in other films he seems too cool and relaxed like he knows hes got superpowers.

it was tucked into the book did CGC consider that to have an effect on the grade? And, semantics angle: who did the tucking? It'd be interesting if CGC suggested it and folded it in after a phone call discussion. If it were my book I wouldnt mind, but, it does go into interesting areas that some here Im sure would choose to dissect.....

how did CGC slab th ebook with that large untrimmed page sticking out the bottom? never thought of that!

and a 9.4 #2 just went for 14K yesterday...

is that the copy that sold on Ebay a few years ago?

thank YOU too! I just want to note the unintended irony of your second to last paragraph, that we will enjoy these books as much as my dad did over all these years,... --- lets face it, if your dad had "enjoyed" them a whole lot for all these years, they'd be VGs not NMs!! But I know what you are saying. ; )

On the other hand, I would be willing to lay down serious odds that more than a few Toth books will never be equalled, let alone surpassed. thats a key statement. IF, down the road, it turns out that the Toth books from the DC late 50s era are THE best books in most cases.... I think that collectors, leading the hobby, will know to seek out the Toth copy knowing ts the best, and THEN, the collection will get its due. But, the problem still remains that to be the best in a "marginal area" just isnt the way to go for Pedigree status. Just doesnt ring the bel. personally, I have noted my Williamsport and Toth copies in my database as something special, so Im not a hater, and choose to keep track of these copies. But I also understand CGCs position here, and in other cases we have all discussed. Basically, the Pedigree issue is now upside down! WE the hobby were always the determiners of Pedigre status. And decades later CGC came along and notated what we all decided upon long ago. But now, CGC i sin place and has to make hard decisions what goes on the label BEFORE the hobby gets to live with a collection and try it on for Pedigree size. Just one more quirk of our Brave New CGC World. Live and Learn, huh?

I think RMs a Pedigree worthy. A big deep HG collection of both DC and Marvel. Its only a bit shy on HG mega SA keys, but its got more than half of them. I think its hard to Pedigree a collection like Toth or Williamsport whose best books are runs of titles from scarce periods, but light on keys. But timing is everything. Toth was close. But so were others that surfaced. RM were "one louder"... just enough to ring the CGC bell. finally.

Im sure that Heritage promoted the collection to CGC as a Pedigree, and to the Toths that they would give it a strenuous but not guaranteed effort to do so. CGC has been very stingy about Pedigree status for years, so this collection missing out just puts it on that list of near misses. Still great company to be in.

great collection! Do you have a sense from your dad why he thinks some titles were overall higher grades than others? In my experience, years after I bought my comics month by month, i saw that ttles I bought but never read tended to be in better condition: stacked and ignored. Which were your dads favorite titles? and are they in lowest average condition? and his least faves the best?

I agree, by 2007 nearly everyone will look to improve their books by having them pressed!!

That’s probably the most amazing part to me. They were not kept in a vault or anything like that. While my dad was stationed in Germany they were in his parents basement in Ill., when he got back and I was born I always remember them being in the garage, my mom wasn’t real big on having them in the house. They survived 5 different moves and when we settled down here they were in a storage locker (not climate controlled) for at least 5 yrs. Till I moved out and put them in my old room. All that and we still had 9.8 books. IMO in most cases of a long held dormant collection like your dads, the damage is done between the newsstand and the box they wlll sit in for 40 years. It was and is possible to buy, transport home, and read a comic cleanly then store it in a box snugly (and safely) while not damaging the book below what we now cal 9.4 condition. Just luck. And exactly the factor we used to value most in comics collecting: the luck that one copy survived and another got its edges crimped etc. Now? Not so much....

I cant remember exactly what they were except they were nearly ALL much more than I was willing to pay! But, as you know, Heritage can get top dolar, but also takes a huge bite unless you know upfront to work out a better deal. You knew. The Toths may not have in time to save 15% off the top. And with the sums the collection sold for 15% more could have been 40-50K more.

thanx. Now after many of the early HG DCs have sold, and you understand more about the whole process of converting a collection into $$$, do you feel Heritage was the right choice? I think I speak for many of us in wondering, when the time comes, which avenue would be the most profitable, easiest, or combination of both.

are th erest of the books what Heritage didnt want? or books you held back from them? Probably a mis, right? but can you shed some light on how the decisions were made, since at the beginning Id think you were all leaning on listening to what they suggested.

ya think?

I always remember the BB28 ad as being the JUST IMAGINE ad.... or was that JLA#1 house ad?

just the artwork on your book and every other copy of that issue. its not even my favorite cover, but I was suprised someone liked it so little when there are just so so many bad covers out there to dislike.

Ive rhapsodized about your awesome books a few times methinks.

looks like a beautiful 9.4 137 just sold on Comiclink for $4500 within 7 minutes. A presale perhaps?

I forgot the pink mountain, sloping up to the left holding everything BIT GL together against him, while also counter balancing the ground which slops down to the left corner. IMO this is on a par with Avengers 4 which I consider a brillliant layout balancing the dominant CAP figure while not diminishing all the Avengers splayed around him

Mine may be a minority opinion but i really hate that cover. I think it's Gil Kane's worst Green Lantern cover. Green Lantern looks all wrong. I dislike it so much that it was my lowest priority among early Lantern issues but three or so years ago I bought a copy anyway when I ran across a particularly pristine copy. I really like GLs casual pose here. looks just right for gliding to a stop to confront the gilamonster head on. Its a beautiful composition, with GLs leg crossing the tail which curls back up filling the area between GLs legs, the gila is leaning away from GL as he invades his space, and finally the cactus extending upwards stopping short of GL. And not to forget the burst hovering between them! Only thing Id move is the balloon to the left and the 10 cent box under the CCA. Dont know why its covering the G so much.

I went back through this thread an looked at a bunch of books, and I'm convinced that the "classic" greytones--the ones that we all clearly recognize as greytones--are unique in that the lines of the drawings are either absent altogether, or painted or chalked in. In other words, there are no crisp, sharp black lines present. It appears that there was a rough layout of the figures but the image is mostly done using paint, with the darks either brushed in with paint or maybe chalked in. The paint itself looks like thick watercolor (gouache, or opaque watercolor). Many of the "partials" that are being brought up seem to be the result of someone using gouache or regular watercolor to creat effects in various parts of the drawing. But in these cases there is still a drawing with inked in black lines present in part or all of the image. Here's a site that talks about gouache: http://members.tripod.com/krobbins4art/id7.htm yes. its the non-use of regulay pen + ink that separates greytones from normal comic production techniques. And after the choice of line work, are the many coloring technique choices used.

No worries about my graytone parade! I guess the question comes down to how you classify a graytone -- is it defined by the pastel/wash effect of the cover, or is it defined by the actual process the artist used to achieve the effect. I would say that its how the cover is precieved by the beholder. A glance at the cover should answer the question. I would futher go on to say that a comic cover is either a wash-tone or not a washtone -- kind of like a woman being a little bit pregnant -- it either is or isnt! thanks, Bill Mick is on the right track in spitting up these greytone effects. There are greytone covers that started out as "paintings" in various media. And also other covers that were colored using painterly techniques. IMO, greytone covers refer 90% of the time in the former category where the artist chose a media that would be reproduced as greys to have colors applied on top in the printing process. But the rest were efforts SOLELY by the colorists and stripping departments (the folks who prepare printing plates from the supplied cover art and coloring guides. Usually the guides are watercolors right on top of stats or later xeroxes of the b/w cover art to illustrate what color goes where. My guess is that some of these tweeners were covers where the colorists did a pretty good job on the stats. So good that DC opted to USE the coloring on the final cover. (This could be done on an overlay as well so as not to break up the linework into dots along with the colors anyway, these coloring techniques were widely used. Most of the early Marvels thru the 60s were extensivelty and creatively colored with blending and watercolor effects. heres on example. Just paint in some grey inside the lines and print colors on top. Neal Adams also used similar grey techniques to expand the DC pallete in the 70s after they had regressed into cheaper repeatably low effort coloring techniques.

the Flash has a watercolor bkgnd. Greytines to me are painted in b/w guache, like magazine illustrations often were, and then had colors stripped over the greys. Like a hand tinted b'w photograph.