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PROBATION DISCUSSIONS
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Menace

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I think one thing that should be done is separating the actual facts and people involved in a dispute form those with one liners and memes.

 

This could clear up all the confusion on the issues and allow people to actually form an opinion based on the facts.

 

I see all these negative comments on my character, but what were talking about here... as far as I have seen... is three things, one of which (ramos sketches) I explained and came to a full understanding about a long time ago and which had nothing to do with the boards.

 

The other is an opp, which some people involved in have posted saying I took too long or am not updating people.... I ask again, is it good for CGC to call out creators. Stay tuned because I will be checking with Angel about that quote posted in the Sig room.

 

The third was a refund or replacement book, and I think we covered that. I was not told from June till December that the book is still missing as soon as I did I sent a refund.

 

What is flaky... what makes me everything else I have been called?

 

I have a problem with less than 1% of books I handle... I think that is a pretty good rate.

 

 

Here is a pick of the quote so that you can take it up with Angel.

 

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I like to be thorough. The questions I needed answered were perhaps caused by my own mistakes but I wanted to know for sure before I sent paperwork and wasted more time having to resend it or perhaps delaying the processing of the books.

 

Those questions were answered December 4th, I sent the paperwork December 6th.

 

None of which amounts to PL worthy offense IMO.

 

If people aren't willing to wait they won't partake in the opps I offer.

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marmat

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I'm going to throw the nomination up now and if by some miracle Matt receives the pulps tomorrow I will retract the poll and publish a retraction and apology.

 

Ok. I have spent the last month as an impartial, independent council looking into this matter. I knew nothing of Robert Beerbohm, and had never heard his name mentioned until the situation with Matthew. I spoke with several boardies regarding his history and on three separate occasions requested input from other members. Some came forward and I spoke with them. I also used good ole Google-Fu to track down whatever I could on the Internet. I am going to focus on things which are not in dispute and ask that in any discussion other boardies focus on the same.

 

The situation started with Matthew42383, who paid $3,600 USD for 341 comics (pulps) which were never mailed and no refund given even after numerous communications. Mr. Beerbohm came to the boards on 11/29/2013 (http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7211165#Post7211165) and assured that Matthew would receive his pulps. He has not and has not received a refund. This issue is now outstanding close to 8 months.

 

A second issue which has come to light is that apparently there is still a large, unpaid sum owed to Jean Bails, Jerry Bails widow, owed by Mr. Beerbohm. Her statement from Facebook (which has since been deleted) Jean Bails "I should probably add here that some refuse to buy from Bob because he owes me a lot of money for comics he sold from Jerry's small collection. I have given Bob some financial grace/leeway because of the enormous problems he has faced. The only way he can pay me back is by selling comics and memorabelia (sp?). So a boycott of Bob only serves to hurt me as well." These are the same comics he routinely refers to about how he never wanted to be involved in their sale but how he was basically dragged into selling them, then he sold them and kept the money, which he will (hopefully) eventually pay off .

 

So we have at issue 2 large transactions here where he has not followed through (one being a $3.600 purchase order and the second being a big $ consignment deal which he apparently has still all these years later not paid off, even though the books were paid for.) His M/O appears to be the same anytime anyone questions him or points out his defects.

1) Mention his history in comics

2) Apply for a hardship exemption because he has fallen on hard times for personal surgeries and the like.

3) Mention what his daughter is going through

4) Dismiss any complaints because his e-Bay store has a 99.7% good feedback or blame the complainers as “haters” or “competitors”

5) Solicit readers to buy something from his store. (Someone wrote him once and called this “Beerbohm Fatigue”)

 

There are dozens of other issues, all of which if true, paint a very sad picture. However as I stated, I am leaving those out because I only want to focus on the most egregious actions as well as actions that are not at issue.

 

Given that it is the holidays and many people are with their families I am going to let the poll run for 3 weeks instead of the normal 2 to allow everyone to get their vote in. This is a blind poll and I ask that everyone look into the issue themselves and vote with their head and not their heart.

 

On that note:

 

This is unbelivable. I voted yes, of course. But I think that this matter should be submitted to police attention. This is a fraud, plain and simple. I really hope that Matthew and mrs. Bails will bring the situation to the court.

In the case of the Jerry Bails collection, if I understand it correctly, the amount of money is in the 5/6 figures range, and I am no lawyer but it would be enough to charge him with very serious charges.

 

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I think one thing that should be done is separating the actual facts and people involved in a dispute form those with one liners and memes.

 

This could clear up all the confusion on the issues and allow people to actually form an opinion based on the facts.

 

I see all these negative comments on my character, but what were talking about here... as far as I have seen... is three things, one of which (ramos sketches) I explained and came to a full understanding about a long time ago and which had nothing to do with the boards.

 

The other is an opp, which some people involved in have posted saying I took too long or am not updating people.... I ask again, is it good for CGC to call out creators. Stay tuned because I will be checking with Angel about that quote posted in the Sig room.

 

The third was a refund or replacement book, and I think we covered that. I was not told from June till December that the book is still missing as soon as I did I sent a refund.

 

What is flaky... what makes me everything else I have been called?

 

I have a problem with less than 1% of books I handle... I think that is a pretty good rate.

 

 

Here is a pick of the quote so that you can take it up with Angel.

 

58657b32-95ef-4092-990b-c6a0b7d7177f_zpsa89a46d4.png

 

I like to be thorough. The questions I needed answered were perhaps caused by my own mistakes but I wanted to know for sure before I sent paperwork and wasted more time having to resend it or perhaps delaying the processing of the books.

 

Those questions were answered December 4th, I sent the paperwork December 6th.

 

None of which amounts to PL worthy offense IMO.

 

If people aren't willing to wait they won't partake in the opps I offer.

 

If you are still able to offer opps. hm

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Menace

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I think one thing that should be done is separating the actual facts and people involved in a dispute form those with one liners and memes.

 

This could clear up all the confusion on the issues and allow people to actually form an opinion based on the facts.

 

I see all these negative comments on my character, but what were talking about here... as far as I have seen... is three things, one of which (ramos sketches) I explained and came to a full understanding about a long time ago and which had nothing to do with the boards.

 

The other is an opp, which some people involved in have posted saying I took too long or am not updating people.... I ask again, is it good for CGC to call out creators. Stay tuned because I will be checking with Angel about that quote posted in the Sig room.

 

The third was a refund or replacement book, and I think we covered that. I was not told from June till December that the book is still missing as soon as I did I sent a refund.

 

What is flaky... what makes me everything else I have been called?

 

I have a problem with less than 1% of books I handle... I think that is a pretty good rate.

 

 

Here is a pick of the quote so that you can take it up with Angel.

 

58657b32-95ef-4092-990b-c6a0b7d7177f_zpsa89a46d4.png

 

I like to be thorough. The questions I needed answered were perhaps caused by my own mistakes but I wanted to know for sure before I sent paperwork and wasted more time having to resend it or perhaps delaying the processing of the books.

 

Those questions were answered December 4th, I sent the paperwork December 6th.

 

None of which amounts to PL worthy offense IMO.

 

If people aren't willing to wait they won't partake in the opps I offer.

 

If you are still able to offer opps. hm

 

I am don't worry.

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skypinkblu

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I'm going to throw the nomination up now and if by some miracle Matt receives the pulps tomorrow I will retract the poll and publish a retraction and apology.

 

Ok. I have spent the last month as an impartial, independent council looking into this matter. I knew nothing of Robert Beerbohm, and had never heard his name mentioned until the situation with Matthew. I spoke with several boardies regarding his history and on three separate occasions requested input from other members. Some came forward and I spoke with them. I also used good ole Google-Fu to track down whatever I could on the Internet. I am going to focus on things which are not in dispute and ask that in any discussion other boardies focus on the same.

 

The situation started with Matthew42383, who paid $3,600 USD for 341 comics (pulps) which were never mailed and no refund given even after numerous communications. Mr. Beerbohm came to the boards on 11/29/2013 (http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7211165#Post7211165) and assured that Matthew would receive his pulps. He has not and has not received a refund. This issue is now outstanding close to 8 months.

 

A second issue which has come to light is that apparently there is still a large, unpaid sum owed to Jean Bails, Jerry Bails widow, owed by Mr. Beerbohm. Her statement from Facebook (which has since been deleted) Jean Bails "I should probably add here that some refuse to buy from Bob because he owes me a lot of money for comics he sold from Jerry's small collection. I have given Bob some financial grace/leeway because of the enormous problems he has faced. The only way he can pay me back is by selling comics and memorabelia (sp?). So a boycott of Bob only serves to hurt me as well." These are the same comics he routinely refers to about how he never wanted to be involved in their sale but how he was basically dragged into selling them, then he sold them and kept the money, which he will (hopefully) eventually pay off .

 

So we have at issue 2 large transactions here where he has not followed through (one being a $3.600 purchase order and the second being a big $ consignment deal which he apparently has still all these years later not paid off, even though the books were paid for.) His M/O appears to be the same anytime anyone questions him or points out his defects.

1) Mention his history in comics

2) Apply for a hardship exemption because he has fallen on hard times for personal surgeries and the like.

3) Mention what his daughter is going through

4) Dismiss any complaints because his e-Bay store has a 99.7% good feedback or blame the complainers as “haters” or “competitors”

5) Solicit readers to buy something from his store. (Someone wrote him once and called this “Beerbohm Fatigue”)

 

There are dozens of other issues, all of which if true, paint a very sad picture. However as I stated, I am leaving those out because I only want to focus on the most egregious actions as well as actions that are not at issue.

 

Given that it is the holidays and many people are with their families I am going to let the poll run for 3 weeks instead of the normal 2 to allow everyone to get their vote in. This is a blind poll and I ask that everyone look into the issue themselves and vote with their head and not their heart.

 

On that note:

 

This is unbelivable. I voted yes, of course. But I think that this matter should be submitted to police attention. This is a fraud, plain and simple. I really hope that Matthew and mrs. Bails will bring the situation to the court.

In the case of the Jerry Bails collection, if I understand it correctly, the amount of money is in the 5/6 figures range, and I am no lawyer but it would be enough to charge him with very serious charges.

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Slym2none, you haven't lost your mind my friend. He mentioned in several posts that he had shipped the pulps east. Now I don't know if that means he is claiming to have sent them directly to Matthew or to a facilitator who will then mail them on. Regardless it is clear that the pulps were never sent to Matthew.

 

For anyone that missed it, here is the vote for Mr. Beerbohm

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7284873#Post7284873

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Comicopolis

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Slym2none, you haven't lost your mind my friend. He mentioned in several posts that he had shipped the pulps east. Now I don't know if that means he is claiming to have sent them directly to Matthew or to a facilitator who will then mail them on. Regardless it is clear that the pulps were never sent to Matthew.

 

For anyone that missed it, here is the vote for Mr. Beerbohm

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7284873#Post7284873

 

I'm fairly sure that he said they would be shipped to a facilitator but he never named who that was.

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I'm fairly sure that he said they would be shipped to a facilitator but he never named who that was.

 

Perfect. Just gives BLB someone else to make-up and blame since he refuses to take responsibility for anything.

 

I noticed he has edited his Wiki page again to remove any negative comments.

 

:facepalm:

 

 

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DiceX

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Oh look. Menace was added to the HOS list.

With one post, the entire list is a complete joke. Good job.

I blame the influx of 2013 noobs voting in a poll they didn't understand.

 

Good job, guys. The boards are a safer place now. :eyeroll:

 

 

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Hado

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Oh look. Menace was added to the HOS list.

With one post, the entire list is a complete joke. Good job.

I blame the influx of 2013 noobs voting in a poll they didn't understand.

 

Good job, guys. The boards are a safer place now. :eyeroll:

 

I agree, it's rediculous.

 

(But don't think I missed the other post :baiting: )

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