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[Amadeus Arkham]

My opinion (which means precisely Richard) on the ages:

Golden Age - 1938-1954

-Rationale: Action Comics #1 thru the advent of the Comics Code Authority

 

Silver Age - 1954-1973

-Rationale: Comics Code Authority thru the Death of Gwen Stacy

 

Bronze Age - 1973-1986

-Rationale: Death of Gwen Stacy thru Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns

 

Copper Age - 1986-1993

Rationale - Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns thru The Death of Superman

 

Chromium Age - 1993-2003

Rationale - The Death of Superman thru Walking Dead #1

 

Celluloid Age - 2003-Present

Rationale - Walking Dead #1 thru the advent of major comic-book movies and television shows

 

VERY nice !

 

Thank you, sir. It's always fun to have these kind of discussions. That's part of the fun in this hobby is the diversity of tastes and opinions throughout.

[BettrFastrStrongr]

My opinion (which means precisely Richard) on the ages:

Golden Age - 1938-1954

-Rationale: Action Comics #1 thru the advent of the Comics Code Authority

 

Silver Age - 1954-1973

-Rationale: Comics Code Authority thru the Death of Gwen Stacy

 

Bronze Age - 1973-1986

-Rationale: Death of Gwen Stacy thru Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns

 

Copper Age - 1986-1993

Rationale - Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns thru The Death of Superman

 

Chromium Age - 1993-2003

Rationale - The Death of Superman thru Walking Dead #1

 

Celluloid Age - 2003-Present

Rationale - Walking Dead #1 thru the advent of major comic-book movies and television shows

 

Way to short on the Copper Age.

[revat]

My opinion (which means precisely Richard) on the ages:

Golden Age - 1938-1954

-Rationale: Action Comics #1 thru the advent of the Comics Code Authority

 

Silver Age - 1954-1973

-Rationale: Comics Code Authority thru the Death of Gwen Stacy

 

Bronze Age - 1973-1986

-Rationale: Death of Gwen Stacy thru Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns

 

Copper Age - 1986-1993

Rationale - Watchmen and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns thru The Death of Superman

 

Chromium Age - 1993-2003

Rationale - The Death of Superman thru Walking Dead #1

 

Celluloid Age - 2003-Present

Rationale - Walking Dead #1 thru the advent of major comic-book movies and television shows

 

Way to short on the Copper Age.

 

I think the bronze age is the problem (which also results in copper problems).

 

1970 I thought was pretty standard Bronze starting point with GL 76 (or something).

 

And I'm not sure I've met anyone who thinks bronze goes til '86. I think most people think copper starts somewhere between 79-83?

[BettrFastrStrongr]

Suicide Squad #48 had died down for a little, but it's back and poppin' now with the Mark Hamil news as well as The Killing Joke.

Crazy, the Joker only appears in 5 panels (?) from a Killing Joke flashback & the art is horrendous. I think the cover's pretty nice though...

 

The first issue in that series has been doing well for awhile. Slabbed 9.6's have a GPA average of $156 the past 12 months. 9.4's have been averaging $117. Raw copies have been getting good results too.

 

That must mean my Birds Of Prey #16 is worth hundreds. YES!!!!!!!

[ygogolak]

Suicide Squad #48 had died down for a little, but it's back and poppin' now with the Mark Hamil news as well as The Killing Joke.

Crazy, the Joker only appears in 5 panels (?) from a Killing Joke flashback & the art is horrendous. I think the cover's pretty nice though...

 

The first issue in that series has been doing well for awhile. Slabbed 9.6's have a GPA average of $156 the past 12 months. 9.4's have been averaging $117. Raw copies have been getting good results too.

 

That must mean my Birds Of Prey #16 is worth hundreds. YES!!!!!!!

 

Doesn't have to do with Killing Joke, does it?

[BettrFastrStrongr]

It's been awhile since I read it but it does deal with the ramifications of TKJ. Joker is held in a cell with Barbara asking questions on a bomb. She's in the shadows. At the end Joker realises she is the one he shot in TKJ.

[whetteon]

There is a rumor of some form of Thunderbolts being in-line for a Netflix series.

 

oic.

[ygogolak]

It's been awhile since I read it but it does deal with the ramifications of TKJ. Joker is held in a cell with Barbara asking questions on a bomb. She's in the shadows. At the end Joker realises she is the one he shot in TKJ.

Power Girl and the Birds track down the most dangerous maniac in the world--the Joker! Canary and P.G. have captured their target, but there's just one problem: He's got New York City targeted for thermonuclear destruction and Oracle must face her greatest fear in order to stop him!

[MrWeen]

Suicide Squad #48 had died down for a little, but it's back and poppin' now with the Mark Hamil news as well as The Killing Joke.

 

The prices people are paying for "quarter books" these days is just astonishing.

 

If someone had told anyone on the CGC board ten years ago that people would be paying $80 for a raw copy of Suicide Squad #48, the laughter would have gone on for 5 years.

 

 

A few years ago people around here were hoarding Black Acre. I don't think the laughter will ever die down on that one.

[Martin Sinescu]

1990s on up Modern - basically anything with slick paper and computerized looking coloring.

 

Glad you mentioned that as this is what always stuck out to me as a turning point in the industry. Seems like it was more around the mid-90's when computers began to have a heavy influence on the look of most books through digital coloring and they upped the paper quality in monthly books as well (such as the early 300's X-Men when Marvel started printing Deluxe and Regular editions of each issue). Also, the creator-driven Image "revolution" and the gimmick covers which started around Silver Surfer 50 before going into overdrive a few years later all are decidedly different from any other era.

 

More broadly, though, I think the era discussion is only natural if you want to take these books seriously as an art form or cultural phenomenon. In painting (or any other medium) you can write volumes on how various Ages reflected or even awakened changes in the cultural climate through styles such as Neo-Clacissism, Romanticism, Impressionism, etc. Having an open dialogue for the evolutionary or regressive trends in comics helps us explore the art form beyond just mindless kids' entertainment, which is how many on the outside looking in probably see it. Whether it be the age of superheroes, social issues or the grim-n-gritty anti-hero, they all reflect massive changes in the art form and I think just saying "80's comics" oversimplifies things to an almost dismissive level.

[valiantman]

Whether it be the age of superheroes, social issues or the grim-n-gritty anti-hero, they all reflect massive changes in the art form and I think just saying "80's comics" oversimplifies things to an almost dismissive level.

I'll grant you that "80's comics" is nearly dismissive, but I don't see what the metal known as copper has to do with comic books at all.

Given that copper has more value as a metal that bronze, it's especially confusing as a stand-in for... whatever.

 

1980s as a label is vastly superior to "Copper Age" in terms of describing the content of the books.

 

The suggestion of "grim-n-gritty" as a subgenre of 80's comics is valid... as is a "toy-based kids books" subgenre for GIJoe, He-Man, TMNT, Transformers, etc.

 

There's crossover between TMNT with independent B&W explosion of the 1980s as well.

 

 

[BettrFastrStrongr]

80 comics fits perfectly. Nothing dismissive about it. You'll never get people to agree on a name and when a certain "age" begins so let's oversimplify it.

 

[Amadeus Arkham]

I would say I'm mistaken. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 and Crisis on Infinite Earths both pre-date Watchmen and TDKR and I consider both Copper. Maybe 1984 could be seen as a soft barrier for Copper. ASM #252, Secret Wars, and TMNT #1.

 

Also, Gold Key stopped publishing, Alan Moore took over Swamp Thing, Marvel launched Star Comics, Superman #400, Cap #300, etc.

 

Fun debate either way.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Amadeus Arkham

[JTLarsen]

I would say I'm mistaken. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 and Crisis on Infinite Earths both pre-date Watchmen and TDKR and I consider both Copper. Maybe 1984 could be seen as a soft barrier for Copper. ASM #252, Secret Wars, and TMNT #1.

 

Also, Gold Key stopped publishing, Alan Moore took over Swamp Thing, Marvel launched Star Comics, Superman #400, Cap #300, etc.

 

Fun debate either way.

 

No way is Saga of the Swamp Thing 1 a bronze book! (And, yes, fun debate either way.)

[jimjum12]

Since this is all so mushy I like using clean decades and cover prices as my guide.

 

10 cent precode up to 1955 is GA

 

Showcase 4 is the book for me. Otherwise, small 10c vs large 10c is a good guide. Atlas corner tag turning into Marvel is good for me too.

 

10-12 cent w code up to 1969 is SA. I use GL 76, ASM 90, Jimmy Olsen 134, FF 100, Xmen 66 are good break points for me.

 

15 to 40 cent is Bronze 1970-1980 Not an easy end point. ASM 200 or 238, Wolverine 1, Xmen 143, FF 200, Later marvel #1s like Rom, She Hulk. Same with DC Teen Titans and some of the early Limited series.

 

50 cent-$1.50 1980 to 1990 Copper Spawn 1, Xmen 1, Spiderman 1, Superman 75 as the end points are about right.

 

1990s on up Modern - basically anything with slick paper and computerized looking coloring.

 

I'm good with Walking Dead 1 as the break point within Modern. Anything that is post 1990 and non superhero and good is Modern II to me.

 

...... this is almost exactly where I'm at with this. It really is a personal thing for the most part..... when it comes to specifics. Some books will straddle or overlap ages, but for the most part we're all in the ballpark. To me, and this is because I'm an old f*...... polybagged Spidey's, X-Men 1 (a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i, etc.....) will always be Modern..... although it sometimes surprises me how long ago that was. I suppose "Modern", by definition, will always engender some debate. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

.... I do differ from Ed in that NTT 1 is a poster child for the CA to me..... Copper Age . in my opinion, is epitomized by the advent of the "ReVamp Specialist" ,i.e., Byrne, Miller, Moore, Simonson, Perez, etc....

Edited August 6, 2015 by jimjum12

[ft88]

I was mixing start points and end points a bit. Teen Titans 1 is arguably a beginning of Copper and not Bronze. Funny DC Presents is a typical overlap title but I think the break there is the Starlin books have a huge (hi quality) Bronze feel but the Teen Titans issue and post Starlin run almost define early Copper.

[___]

Since this is all so mushy I like using clean decades and cover prices as my guide.

 

10 cent precode up to 1955 is GA

 

Showcase 4 is the book for me. Otherwise, small 10c vs large 10c is a good guide. Atlas corner tag turning into Marvel is good for me too.

 

10-12 cent w code up to 1969 is SA. I use GL 76, ASM 90, Jimmy Olsen 134, FF 100, Xmen 66 are good break points for me.

 

15 to 40 cent is Bronze 1970-1980 Not an easy end point. ASM 200 or 238, Wolverine 1, Xmen 143, FF 200, Later marvel #1s like Rom, She Hulk. Same with DC Teen Titans and some of the early Limited series.

 

50 cent-$1.50 1980 to 1990 Copper Spawn 1, Xmen 1, Spiderman 1, Superman 75 as the end points are about right.

 

1990s on up Modern - basically anything with slick paper and computerized looking coloring.

 

I'm good with Walking Dead 1 as the break point within Modern. Anything that is post 1990 and non superhero and good is Modern II to me.

 

 

I am really on board with your thinking on this for sure

[whetteon]

Daredevil #254 is getting a minor bump but I'm sure that has alot to do with speculation of Typoid Mary being in the show?

[manetteska]

Daredevil #254 is getting a minor bump but I'm sure that has alot to do with speculation of Typoid Mary being in the show?

 

Typo Mary?

[whetteon]