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New Mutants 98 CGC 10.0

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greggy

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Someone let that finance professor know about it.

He'd probably be a buyer at a million, five. :takeit:

 

You still into gerbilling?
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DiceX

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Someone let that finance professor know about it.

He'd probably be a buyer at a million, five. :takeit:

 

You still into gerbilling?

 

:sumo:

 

 

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The Jerr

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So -- I remember all the discussion about the NM 98 9.9 thread about what was good value etc.

 

I just received word that I received a NM 98 CGC 10.0 white in my latest submission.

 

Thoughts?

 

Obviously, I'm very excited.

 

Congratulations!! I wish mine would hit that grade. I just sent mine to get graded. Hopefully its a good one!.

 

This deserves a :golfclap:

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Johnny545

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I'll just make a few quick comments:

 

1) I probably will not tell the dealer as there was no chance he was going to submit it to CGC himself. He slabs nothing. Neither he nor I -- nor probably anybody thought it was going to be a 10.0. I think it'd be more "rubbing it in his face" than it would be "curiosity" for this dealer. He made some decent margin on the book. Depending on how the book performs, I will likely do something for this dealer regardless once it sells.

 

2) There was another boardie at the booth with me when I bought it. I was literally seconds ahead of him asking to see the books, which were actually not out on display.

 

3) I intend to auction the book through Comiclink. I have no idea what the value is really, nor do I know the market. It's a 10.0 and a first appearance of a character who has become wildly popular. While the 9.9 sold for crazy money, the lure of the 10.0 is of course, there is no possibility to own a higher grade copy. While another could always appear on the census, I'm not sure one will any time soon. Who knows. But I do know I'd like to auction it sooner rather than later.

 

Congrats to CGC for a great marketing ploy, ensuring another couple thousand copies will be slabbed in the next couple of years...as people hope to hit the lottery.

 

No one could distinguish the 10.0 from any of the 9.9's or half the 9.8's in my opinion...this is CGC doing what they can to boost business...

 

Regardless, congrats CGC decided to give you the golden ticket.

 

Hope it goes big on Clink.

 

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No one could distinguish the 10.0 from any of the 9.9's or half the 9.8's in my opinion...this is CGC doing what they can to boost business...

 

So you've seen the copy?

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Badger

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I'm going to bring up something incredibly unpopular: Overstreet's Grading Guide, Third Edition.

 

By including CGC graded books in this guide, does it not imply that these are the guidelines that CGC uses on average? There will always be mistakes and unique cases that fall outside the book; however, since CGC allowed the use of its graded books as examples of Overstreet grades, this book, de facto, contains the definitive, published, grading guidelines for CGC.

 

:fear:

 

 

Nope.

 

http://www.google.com/#q=who+adopted+standards+CGC+overstreet&spell=1&sa=X&ei=xXqmUYjtGKvr0QH_n4HoCg&ved=0CCkQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=bb1399f11036ce6e&biw=1024&bih=646

 

How odd; when I follow your link, just about every result states that CGC adopted Overstreet's grading standards.

 

hm I don't think that link means what you think it does.

 

Read some of those discussion threads, you'll see what I mean.

 

Here's a decent recap:

 

http://forum.stlcomics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2589&view=previous&sid=18e7926c9cafda3027a351558e39a3c2

 

No. It's very clear what they are doing.

 

"Now that the new Grading Guide has been published with quite a bit of input from CGC Primary Grader Steve Borock, Senior Grader and Pedigree Expert Mark Haspel, and Grader and Modern Age Specialist Paul Litch, there is now little difference between Overstreet and CGC."

 

When they say that the, then, new grading guide was developed with their input, it means that Overstreet and CGC have published their combined grading standards. CGC did not change its grading; it worked with Overstreet to update Overstreet standards to CGC standards.

 

Yes, the book itself contains contradictions and plain old head-scratchers but it does not change the fact that this was meant to be the definitive grading guide for what to expect when submitting to CGC. You can say the book itself is but the is the published CGC grading guidelines.

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oakman29

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I'll just make a few quick comments:

 

1) I probably will not tell the dealer as there was no chance he was going to submit it to CGC himself. He slabs nothing. Neither he nor I -- nor probably anybody thought it was going to be a 10.0. I think it'd be more "rubbing it in his face" than it would be "curiosity" for this dealer. He made some decent margin on the book. Depending on how the book performs, I will likely do something for this dealer regardless once it sells.

 

2) There was another boardie at the booth with me when I bought it. I was literally seconds ahead of him asking to see the books, which were actually not out on display.

 

3) I intend to auction the book through Comiclink. I have no idea what the value is really, nor do I know the market. It's a 10.0 and a first appearance of a character who has become wildly popular. While the 9.9 sold for crazy money, the lure of the 10.0 is of course, there is no possibility to own a higher grade copy. While another could always appear on the census, I'm not sure one will any time soon. Who knows. But I do know I'd like to auction it sooner rather than later.

 

Congrats to CGC for a great marketing ploy, ensuring another couple thousand copies will be slabbed in the next couple of years...as people hope to hit the lottery.

 

No one could distinguish the 10.0 from any of the 9.9's or half the 9.8's in my opinion...this is CGC doing what they can to boost business...

 

Regardless, congrats CGC decided to give you the golden ticket.

 

Hope it goes big on Clink.

Marketing ploy? CGC doesn't say "Let's put out a 10.0 NM 98 so we can get a buzz going"! It must be an incredibly stunning book to get that grade.Don't look for the conspiracy theories my friend,they just aren't there.

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Johnny545

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I'll just make a few quick comments:

 

1) I probably will not tell the dealer as there was no chance he was going to submit it to CGC himself. He slabs nothing. Neither he nor I -- nor probably anybody thought it was going to be a 10.0. I think it'd be more "rubbing it in his face" than it would be "curiosity" for this dealer. He made some decent margin on the book. Depending on how the book performs, I will likely do something for this dealer regardless once it sells.

 

2) There was another boardie at the booth with me when I bought it. I was literally seconds ahead of him asking to see the books, which were actually not out on display.

 

3) I intend to auction the book through Comiclink. I have no idea what the value is really, nor do I know the market. It's a 10.0 and a first appearance of a character who has become wildly popular. While the 9.9 sold for crazy money, the lure of the 10.0 is of course, there is no possibility to own a higher grade copy. While another could always appear on the census, I'm not sure one will any time soon. Who knows. But I do know I'd like to auction it sooner rather than later.

 

Congrats to CGC for a great marketing ploy, ensuring another couple thousand copies will be slabbed in the next couple of years...as people hope to hit the lottery.

 

No one could distinguish the 10.0 from any of the 9.9's or half the 9.8's in my opinion...this is CGC doing what they can to boost business...

 

Regardless, congrats CGC decided to give you the golden ticket.

 

Hope it goes big on Clink.

Marketing ploy? CGC doesn't say "Let's put out a 10.0 NM 98 so we can get a buzz going"! It must be an incredibly stunning book to get that grade.Don't look for the conspiracy theories my friend,they just aren't there.

 

 

I'm not saying they did at all just that the possibility and temptation could be there.

 

If you think they are pure and I believe they are then you need to confirm only 2 things:

 

(1) who was involved in the decision to give this book a 10.0.

 

Was it one grader standing over a table looking at a book? Or was it run up the flagpole? Was management involved in the decision? Does management ever have the ability to reject or confirm a grade on any one particular book - or does the grader assigned the book have complete discretion? If they have complete, unilateral discretion and no one can veto than fine I agree no conspiracy.

 

(2) What makes this book objectively different than the other 9.9's or hundreds of 9.8's - show us the difference (under microscope if necessary).

 

If you get the appropriate answers to each question I will pack up my tin foil hat.

 

Again, make no mistake - I hope someone buys this book on Clink for a ton of money.

 

 

 

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The problem with that is they have a market monopoly and more submissions than they can handle already. The conspiracy theories would look less :screwy: if they had a small piece of market share, were struggling and about to close shop, and dying for submissions. I mean come on. You could argue that more submissions right now hurts more than helps if they are already at full capacity

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(1) who was involved in the decision to give this book a 10.0.

 

Was it one grader standing over a table looking at a book? Or was it run up the flagpole? Was management involved in the decision? Does management ever have the ability to reject or confirm a grade on any one particular book - or does the grader assigned the book have complete discretion? If they have complete, unilateral discretion and no one can veto than fine I agree no conspiracy.

 

(2) What makes this book objectively different than the other 9.9's or hundreds of 9.8's - show us the difference (under microscope if necessary).

 

If you get the appropriate answers to each question I will pack up my tin foil hat.

 

Again, make no mistake - I hope someone buys this book on Clink for a ton of money and so does CGC.

 

There's no "grader assigned to a book" - each book is looked at by multiple pre-graders and then the head grader for that particular era who, based on the grades assigned by the pre-graders and his own assessment of the book, decides on the final grade.

 

As for (2), buy the book & check it out for yourself :shrug:

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oakman29

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I'll just make a few quick comments:

 

1) I probably will not tell the dealer as there was no chance he was going to submit it to CGC himself. He slabs nothing. Neither he nor I -- nor probably anybody thought it was going to be a 10.0. I think it'd be more "rubbing it in his face" than it would be "curiosity" for this dealer. He made some decent margin on the book. Depending on how the book performs, I will likely do something for this dealer regardless once it sells.

 

2) There was another boardie at the booth with me when I bought it. I was literally seconds ahead of him asking to see the books, which were actually not out on display.

 

3) I intend to auction the book through Comiclink. I have no idea what the value is really, nor do I know the market. It's a 10.0 and a first appearance of a character who has become wildly popular. While the 9.9 sold for crazy money, the lure of the 10.0 is of course, there is no possibility to own a higher grade copy. While another could always appear on the census, I'm not sure one will any time soon. Who knows. But I do know I'd like to auction it sooner rather than later.

 

Congrats to CGC for a great marketing ploy, ensuring another couple thousand copies will be slabbed in the next couple of years...as people hope to hit the lottery.

 

No one could distinguish the 10.0 from any of the 9.9's or half the 9.8's in my opinion...this is CGC doing what they can to boost business...

 

Regardless, congrats CGC decided to give you the golden ticket.

 

Hope it goes big on Clink.

Marketing ploy? CGC doesn't say "Let's put out a 10.0 NM 98 so we can get a buzz going"! It must be an incredibly stunning book to get that grade.Don't look for the conspiracy theories my friend,they just aren't there.

 

CGC is a business out to make money combined with the power to stimulate additional revenue through clever marketing ploys like this.

I'm sure they stimulate plenty of revenue,and don't have to resort to clever ploys.

I'm not saying they did, but I am saying your naive to think they wouldn't.

They keep things on the up and up,or else their reputation would be damaged.Who would want to grade a book that has lost confidence in the grading system.

If a thousand books are graded and one out of every thousand is a 10.0 and 2-3 are 9.9 then you would expect that at some point a 10.0 or 9.9 would be graded in the first 100 to couple hundred graded, maybe the first dozen, maybe the first book submitted.

 

What would this do to other collectors willingness to send in additional copies to be graded?

 

Of course this never happens it is only after thousands have been graded does a 9.9 or eventually a 10.0 pop up, which seems logical until you step back and realize there is just as much chance for the first book reviewed to be a 10.0 then the 5001.

 

If you think they are pure then you need to confirm only 2 things:

They have to be,or else they would be like PGX.Tell me what company would risk their reputation on cheap marketing ploys.

(1) who was involved in the decision to give this book a 10.0.

 

Was it one grader standing over a table looking at a book? Or was it run up the flagpole? Was management involved in the decision? Does management ever have the ability to reject or confirm a grade on any one particular book - or does the grader assigned the book have complete discretion? If they have complete, unilateral discretion and no one can veto than fine I agree no conspiracy.

 

(2) What makes this book objectively different than the other 9.9's or hundreds of 9.8's - show us the difference (under microscope if necessary).

 

If you get the appropriate answers to each question I will pack up my tin foil hat.Pack it up!

 

Again, make no mistake - I hope someone buys this book on Clink for a ton of money and so does CGC.

 

 

:baiting:

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Johnny545

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There's no "grader assigned to a book" - each book is looked at by multiple pre-graders and then the head grader for that particular era who, based on the grades assigned by the pre-graders and his own assessment of the book, decides on the final grade. :

 

This makes it much more legitimate! Glad to hear this!

 

Also, be aware I am just raising some issues for discussion.

 

CGC has always been a top notch company from my perspective. Great customer service and they have done a ton for the industry to ensure accountability and reliability.

 

It would be interesting for anyone with a statistics background to model some of the numbers in the high submission books though.

 

Johnny

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