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[Action252Kid]

1 minute ago, IngelsFan said:

Are there any Flash Comics in the pedigree, other than the 54? Or was that not one of the titles that she regularly picked up?

I never had any Flash issues, but that list (several pages back in this thread) is a great resource to see the titles that she collected.  I had a couple of the only Batman/Detective coded issues from the collection, but I can't remember ever seeing any Flash books for sale over the years.

[path4play]

1 hour ago, Action252Kid said:

Sorry, I didn't see this until just now!  Yes, 'all' of the books that I bought from this seller were Okajimas.  I don't have the exact number, but it was somewhere right in that 25-30 book range (I sold the better ones last year on eBay/Heritage -- but I have three up for sale right now, three ready for next week, and then five more (cheaper ones) at CGC right now (just to give an idea of what I have left -- I know spacing them out better could have brought higher prices, but I didn't want it to seem like I had an unlimited supply of these and settled on this being the most transparent way to sell them). 

A decent number of them had the "Okajima" signature on them, most of the rest had front cover codes (the ones you see on those later Jungle/Jumbo issues)/a pencil date written on the back covers, a couple had date stamps that matched up to other books from the collection, and then there were just a couple that had 'no' codes or markings at all (the Sensation was one of those books, the other I believe is the Blue Bolt issue that I currently have listed on eBay).  I was told by the seller that these all came from the same place, and given that nearly all of the books had codes/markings that fit the collection, I was certain that these couple of non-marked books were in fact from the collection.  I hope this helps!

Thanks makes sense.  Originally when these first starting coming out I was thinking they were a smaller part of a purchased collection, not that all came from same place/time/origin.  Makes it more intriguing.  It wouldn't be the same number of copies that the mystery 3rd buyer would have gotten.  Perhaps someone once grabbed a handful out of the shed along the way.  It seems it wouldn't have been a comic collector, rather someone that that just got a handful once for some reason.

[Robot Man]

I don't have very many of them but the camp ones I got all came from Ron Murray years ago. Not sure if he was one of the purchasers of part of them or if he got them from someone who was. Ron is one of the great guys in the hobby and did me real well on them. Wish now, I bought a few more when I had the chance...

[Robot Man]

Here is Ron's report about then in CBM in Oct 2000. Interesting story that might answer some questions. I don't think this list is complete because the ones I bought from him are not on it. He told me a while back, that he has no more of them.

[miraclemet]

thanks for sharing the artilce @Robot Man. I wonder where Ron got his info on the drugstore "pull and ship" part of her collection. I hadn't heard that part before. How he differentiates between the books shipped from the pharmacy and the ones bough at the camp PX is a mystery to me. Everything I've looked at among the '43-44 books is generally consistent in the markings. Havent seen anything that would make me think they came from two separate sources, but as we know this pedigree story is a bit mysterious. 

Im going through Rons list now to figure out how many are from the camp era.. .

[miraclemet]

Just adding to the 43-44 list. 

Early book from the pedigree. No date or code on cover. Purchased around November of 1945. -script name on cover. 

Sold for $2300, So a 10x multiplier. Impressive for a non-military, non-key issue, but these super early '43 books seem to be holding a unique place in the market value due to their early status in the pedigree as exhibited by their inconsistent markings. 

[path4play]

blissard's (ActionKid's) rolling 'em out weekly now.  Clearly biggest Okajima find unearthed in some decades.  However the collection was acquired, it doesn't seem random as this camp era copies are very heavy D.C. titles.

Superman #31 OKAJIMA Pedigree RARE High Grade WWII DC Comic 1944 CGC 7.5

 

[miraclemet]

3 minutes ago, path4play said:

blissard's (ActionKid's) rolling 'em out weekly now.  Clearly biggest Okajima find unearthed in some decades.  However the collection was acquired, it doesn't seem random as this camp era copies are very heavy D.C. titles.

Agreed. if I'm guessing Im betting these copies have been thru three hands. Original purchases (the mystery 3rd buyer of the 3 buyers who split the collection equally), then Blissard's seller bought them from the original purchaser at some point, Im guessing at an antiquest/paper show a long time ago (supposedly the 3rd buyer was a paper dealer who was more of a "risque pulp and magazine" buyer/seller, not a comic book seller so Im betting his inventory didn't get seen at comicbook shows, but rather more general purpose antique shows) , and Blissard's guy seemed to target the DC books as he picked through the inventory, though others as well, and then Blissard bought them from him... and now they're on ebay!

[path4play]

46 minutes ago, miraclemet said:

Agreed. if I'm guessing Im betting these copies have been thru three hands. Original purchases (the mystery 3rd buyer of the 3 buyers who split the collection equally), then Blissard's seller bought them from the original purchaser at some point, Im guessing at an antiquest/paper show a long time ago (supposedly the 3rd buyer was a paper dealer who was more of a "risque pulp and magazine" buyer/seller, not a comic book seller so Im betting his inventory didn't get seen at comicbook shows, but rather more general purpose antique shows) , and Blissard's guy seemed to target the DC books as he picked through the inventory, though others as well, and then Blissard bought them from him... and now they're on ebay!

Sounds logical.  Its slightly odd, that on the one hand the entire collection all consisted of Okajima's (so it wasn't a "collector" but rather a one time purchase/acquisition) and on the other, cherry picked D.C. books

[skypinkblu]

I think I'm still high bidder, but I'm not sure about the staples. I wonder if they were really all together,  why one book out of the group would have rusty staples ? 

[path4play]

1 minute ago, skypinkblu said:

I think I'm still high bidder, but I'm not sure about the staples. I wonder if they were really all together,  why one book out of the group would have rusty staples ? 

I wasn't sure about the grade, with the rusty staples?

 

[skypinkblu]

1 minute ago, path4play said:

I wasn't sure about the grade, with the rusty staples?

 

Me either...I didn't up my bid on the first Superman because I knew about this one and I liked the cover better, but I'm not sure.

[miraclemet]

4 hours ago, path4play said:

Sounds logical.  Its slightly odd, that on the one hand the entire collection all consisted of Okajima's (so it wasn't a "collector" but rather a one time purchase/acquisition) and on the other, cherry picked D.C. books

Is that what he said? That the collection he bought was only Okajimas? I thought he just meant he bought the okajimas from someone's collection.... 

[Action252Kid]

6 minutes ago, miraclemet said:

Is that what he said? That the collection he bought was only Okajimas? I thought he just meant he bought the okajimas from someone's collection.... 

Just to clarify, 'all' of the books that I bought from this person (a non-comic seller) were Okajimas.  They were located in the same area as the original find in California, so I was never sure if they could've possibly been related to the actual original owner, came from that estate sale, came from the original owner pre estate sale, etc.  They told me that the books had been in their family for decades, which could mean since the 90's, or further back than that.  The books were all sold to me a few at a time, so I was always holding out hope that I'd get a message one day saying they had dozens or hundreds more, but the three that I currently have listed on eBay are the last of what I had (outside of five other inexpensive ones that are at CGC now).  From what I had, there did seem to be more DC's than you'd expect (some of which were coded but lower grade, compared to others from the collection -- whether the damage (and rusty staples on the Superman) occurred from being stored separately back in the day, or in more recent years, I'm not sure).  I did get two Timely issues from this find, but they were also lower grade.  

[podboy66]

23 minutes ago, Action252Kid said:

Just to clarify, 'all' of the books that I bought from this person (a non-comic seller) were Okajimas.  They were located in the same area as the original find in California, so I was never sure if they could've possibly been related to the actual original owner, came from that estate sale, came from the original owner pre estate sale, etc.  They told me that the books had been in their family for decades, which could mean since the 90's, or further back than that.  The books were all sold to me a few at a time, so I was always holding out hope that I'd get a message one day saying they had dozens or hundreds more, but the three that I currently have listed on eBay are the last of what I had (outside of five other inexpensive ones that are at CGC now).  From what I had, there did seem to be more DC's than you'd expect (some of which were coded but lower grade, compared to others from the collection -- whether the damage (and rusty staples on the Superman) occurred from being stored separately back in the day, or in more recent years, I'm not sure).  I did get two Timely issues from this find, but they were also lower grade.  

Would you able to advise on which Timelys were in the find?

[skypinkblu]

I was surprised at the price for the Superman 31. The 28 went for so much more even though the grade was a tiny bit lower.

I also see that this book, which Blissard sold a few weeks ago, is back up. It appears the winner posted a BIN for that and a Jungle comics, and when it didn't sell they listed it at auction.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274404252282?ul_noapp=true

[Dr. Love]

1 hour ago, skypinkblu said:

I was surprised at the price for the Superman 31. The 28 went for so much more even though the grade was a tiny bit lower.

I also see that this book, which Blissard sold a few weeks ago, is back up. It appears the winner posted a BIN for that and a Jungle comics, and when it didn't sell they listed it at auction.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274404252282?ul_noapp=true

Sha where do you see that the seller put it up as a BIN first? @skypinkblu

Edited June 22, 2020 by Dr. Love

[skypinkblu]

@Dr. Love

I have Okajima on watch, I got an email yesterday. I put it on watch and then it was gone. It showed as ended yesterday, but it's not showing now for some reason. You can see both of the books he/she has up for auction now were bins yesterday.

[skypinkblu]

Another book with no markings (that I can see) shows up on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313123829044?ul_noapp=true

[path4play]

10 hours ago, skypinkblu said:

Another book with no markings (that I can see) shows up on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313123829044?ul_noapp=true

Lol sha, I was going to post.  Tarzan?  It was slabbed at least a little while back so... but still who knows how that was determined to be a Okajima.