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[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

By the way...the first no-contest "second printing" based on sellout demand that Marvel ever did?

 

Ghost Rider #1, 1990.

What constitutes this being "no-contest"? While I'm not informed about the G.I. Joe reprints, the first issue of The 'Nam quickly went to a second printing due to demand in 1986. (I first started collecting right around this time, and the reprint was on sale around the same time as issue 3 or 4.)

Wouldn't Star Wars reprints be a result of demand?

Or, are we somehow separating second prints from reprints (which come out second)?

I go with RMA.I believe the Joes and Star Wars were reprints,no?

 

Joes are almost all labeled "second", "third" printing (except for #3-5), so they're easy to classify, even if they didn't come out until 1985-1986...2-4 years after they were first printed.

 

The Joes are a quite unique situation. Someone at Hasbro was either pestering Marvel to reprint the books, or someone at Marvel was far-sighted (probably Larry Hama.)

 

By 1985, early Joes were the hottest thing on the market, just before the explosion part of the B&W Explosion, and #2 first prints were $50 books at one pont (in 1985 dollars, making a raw copy worth about $125 in 2014 dollars!)

 

FIrst, they reprinted #3-4 in 1983 (who knows why they didn't reprint #2 first, and #1 was, of course, because of the Baxter paper.)

 

Then, a few other issues were reprinted in 1984 (#7, #10, #17-19), and the rest mostly in 1985 and 1986 (see 65 cent cover price, not in place before April, 1985 cover dates.)

 

It was totally haphazard and random. I'm going to have to sit Larry Hama down some day and have him explain what was going on at the time.

Why would you think Larry Hama had something to do with the situation with the reprints? Certainly as the writer he would have little input. Even if he also editing the books (I have no clue whether he was, just speculating from your comment) that may not be his decision to make. Decisions regarding print runs, reprints, etc., probably come somewhere else along the line, from marketing or sales departments.

Edited July 7, 2014 by GeeksAreMyPeeps

[RockMyAmadeus]

By the way...the first no-contest "second printing" based on sellout demand that Marvel ever did?

 

Ghost Rider #1, 1990.

What constitutes this being "no-contest"? While I'm not informed about the G.I. Joe reprints, the first issue of The 'Nam quickly went to a second printing due to demand in 1986. (I first started collecting right around this time, and the reprint was on sale around the same time as issue 3 or 4.)

Wouldn't Star Wars reprints be a result of demand?

Or, are we somehow separating second prints from reprints (which come out second)?

I go with RMA.I believe the Joes and Star Wars were reprints,no?

 

Joes are almost all labeled "second", "third" printing (except for #3-5), so they're easy to classify, even if they didn't come out until 1985-1986...2-4 years after they were first printed.

 

The Joes are a quite unique situation. Someone at Hasbro was either pestering Marvel to reprint the books, or someone at Marvel was far-sighted (probably Larry Hama.)

 

By 1985, early Joes were the hottest thing on the market, just before the explosion part of the B&W Explosion, and #2 first prints were $50 books at one pont (in 1985 dollars, making a raw copy worth about $125 in 2014 dollars!)

 

FIrst, they reprinted #3-4 in 1983 (who knows why they didn't reprint #2 first, and #1 was, of course, because of the Baxter paper.)

 

Then, a few other issues were reprinted in 1984 (#7, #10, #17-19), and the rest mostly in 1985 and 1986 (see 65 cent cover price, not in place before April, 1985 cover dates.)

 

It was totally haphazard and random. I'm going to have to sit Larry Hama down some day and have him explain what was going on at the time.

Why would you think Larry Hama had something to do with the situation with the reprints? Certainly as the writer he would have little input. Even if he also editing the books (I have no clue whether he was, just speculating from your comment) that may not be his decision to make. Decisions regarding print runs, reprints, etc., probably come somewhere else along the line, from marketing or sales departments.

 

Larry Hama was much more than a writer at Marvel. Several of the editors and writers at Marvel, especially in the 70's and 80's, "floated" between production and other depts. (like Peter David, who was in circulation, and would have been intimately familiar with sales numbers), and were quite familiar (especially with the then-relatively new royalty system) with how well their own projects were doing.

 

Since GI Joe was a toy tie-in, it simply made sense to make sure the book, in multiple different issues, was available in K-Mart, Walmart, and wherever the toys were sold for customers to purchase along with them.

 

Why do you say "as a writer, he would have little input"? He certainly didn't make the final decision on print runs; that would be circulation, but they didn't work in vacuums. And Larry was a smart guy, and was involved with the project with Hasbro from the beginning.

 

It makes perfect sense for Larry to have suggested to sales to have bagged reprints of the books (since Marvel had been doing bagged comics through Whitman for a decade or so at this point) on the shelves along with the toys. In 1983, the Marvel Books division took over the bagged distribution of licensed and in-house property tie-ins, which is when we see the first reprints of Joe, along with others, like Return of the Jedi (1983), Secret Wars (1984), the Star comics like Thundercats (1985) and Muppet Babies (1985.) Marvel Books would have either warehoused the copies they needed until they were ready to bag them, or reprinted whatever they wanted to include if they didn't have originals on hand.

 

I'm not saying he did, but it's not far fetched at all. Someone certainly made the decision to include Joe in the project, albeit in a most random way.

[porcupine48]

So these books you mention in the last paragraph can still,potentially, be found in the three packs they sold when I was a kid? (Secret Wars,ect) Also,were the Secret Wars reprints in the pre packs only,or available on the spinner?If they were pre pack only,would that not make them more scarce?I got into Secret Wars first series most likely from finding them in those Woolco or Towers ect multi pacs as I was too young first time around( I knew about Secret Wars 2 from falling head over heels crazy over the cover of #4 at the 7 eleven ) .And that brings up another question from me...are there Second prints of Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars #8, and would it be harder to find,particularly in high grade?

Thanks in advance,

Jimmers

Edited July 8, 2014 by porcupine48

[RockMyAmadeus]

So these books you mention in the last paragraph can still,potentially, be found in the three packs they sold when I was a kid? (Secret Wars,ect) Also,were the Secret Wars reprints in the pre packs only,or available on the spinner?If they were pre pack only,would that not make them more scarce?I got into Secret Wars first series most likely from finding them in those Woolco or Towers ect multi pacs as I was too young first time around( I knew about Secret Wars 2 from falling head over heels crazy over the cover of #4 at the 7 eleven ) .And that brings up another question from me...are there Second prints of Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars #8, and would it be harder to find,particularly in high grade?

Thanks in advance,

Jimmers

 

I don't know of any books that were reprints in the Marvel 2- or 3-packs except GI Joe and Thundercats.

 

The Secret Wars books are all first prints.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

By the way...the first no-contest "second printing" based on sellout demand that Marvel ever did?

 

Ghost Rider #1, 1990.

What constitutes this being "no-contest"? While I'm not informed about the G.I. Joe reprints, the first issue of The 'Nam quickly went to a second printing due to demand in 1986. (I first started collecting right around this time, and the reprint was on sale around the same time as issue 3 or 4.)

Wouldn't Star Wars reprints be a result of demand?

Or, are we somehow separating second prints from reprints (which come out second)?

I go with RMA.I believe the Joes and Star Wars were reprints,no?

 

Joes are almost all labeled "second", "third" printing (except for #3-5), so they're easy to classify, even if they didn't come out until 1985-1986...2-4 years after they were first printed.

 

The Joes are a quite unique situation. Someone at Hasbro was either pestering Marvel to reprint the books, or someone at Marvel was far-sighted (probably Larry Hama.)

 

By 1985, early Joes were the hottest thing on the market, just before the explosion part of the B&W Explosion, and #2 first prints were $50 books at one pont (in 1985 dollars, making a raw copy worth about $125 in 2014 dollars!)

 

FIrst, they reprinted #3-4 in 1983 (who knows why they didn't reprint #2 first, and #1 was, of course, because of the Baxter paper.)

 

Then, a few other issues were reprinted in 1984 (#7, #10, #17-19), and the rest mostly in 1985 and 1986 (see 65 cent cover price, not in place before April, 1985 cover dates.)

 

It was totally haphazard and random. I'm going to have to sit Larry Hama down some day and have him explain what was going on at the time.

Why would you think Larry Hama had something to do with the situation with the reprints? Certainly as the writer he would have little input. Even if he also editing the books (I have no clue whether he was, just speculating from your comment) that may not be his decision to make. Decisions regarding print runs, reprints, etc., probably come somewhere else along the line, from marketing or sales departments.

 

Larry Hama was much more than a writer at Marvel. Several of the editors and writers at Marvel, especially in the 70's and 80's, "floated" between production and other depts. (like Peter David, who was in circulation, and would have been intimately familiar with sales numbers), and were quite familiar (especially with the then-relatively new royalty system) with how well their own projects were doing.

 

Since GI Joe was a toy tie-in, it simply made sense to make sure the book, in multiple different issues, was available in K-Mart, Walmart, and wherever the toys were sold for customers to purchase along with them.

 

Why do you say "as a writer, he would have little input"? He certainly didn't make the final decision on print runs; that would be circulation, but they didn't work in vacuums. And Larry was a smart guy, and was involved with the project with Hasbro from the beginning.

 

It makes perfect sense for Larry to have suggested to sales to have bagged reprints of the books (since Marvel had been doing bagged comics through Whitman for a decade or so at this point) on the shelves along with the toys. In 1983, the Marvel Books division took over the bagged distribution of licensed and in-house property tie-ins, which is when we see the first reprints of Joe, along with others, like Return of the Jedi (1983), Secret Wars (1984), the Star comics like Thundercats (1985) and Muppet Babies (1985.) Marvel Books would have either warehoused the copies they needed until they were ready to bag them, or reprinted whatever they wanted to include if they didn't have originals on hand.

 

I'm not saying he did, but it's not far fetched at all. Someone certainly made the decision to include Joe in the project, albeit in a most random way.

I realize he did quite a bit, but my understanding that it was mostly on the creative side, including the art some issues. I got to speak with him a bit at a convention a few years back that I was the comics coordinator for, when he was one of my guests. Fun fact: although Hama is probably far better known as a writer, he considers himself an artist first.

[porcupine48]

So these books you mention in the last paragraph can still,potentially, be found in the three packs they sold when I was a kid? (Secret Wars,ect) Also,were the Secret Wars reprints in the pre packs only,or available on the spinner?If they were pre pack only,would that not make them more scarce?I got into Secret Wars first series most likely from finding them in those Woolco or Towers ect multi pacs as I was too young first time around( I knew about Secret Wars 2 from falling head over heels crazy over the cover of #4 at the 7 eleven ) .And that brings up another question from me...are there Second prints of Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars #8, and would it be harder to find,particularly in high grade?

Thanks in advance,

Jimmers

 

I don't know of any books that were reprints in the Marvel 2- or 3-packs except GI Joe and Thundercats.

 

The Secret Wars books are all first prints.

Sorry,I thought it read that there were SW 2nd prints.Busy with the puppy and have lost my force.

[Brandon Shepherd]

You guys should start a separate thread on this topic.

[bellrules]

There are second print three packs containing Secret Wars 1-3.

[RockMyAmadeus]

There are second print three packs containing Secret Wars 1-3.

 

Pics?

[RockMyAmadeus]

Found it!

 

 

You know, I have one of these in a box somewhere, and clearly forgot all about it.

 

You were right, Jimmers!

 

Some of these books are so obscure and scarce...

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

Now I wonder if there are 2nd prints of the others....

 

[bellrules]

Will post pic of sealed pack later tonight.

[porcupine48]

Found it!

 

 

You know, I have one of these in a box somewhere, and clearly forgot all about it.

 

You were right, Jimmers!

 

Some of these books are so obscure and scarce...

 

I could have sworn at least one or two of mine were second prints.Now I don't have to go foraging and excavating....but I likely will.

[thedude]

finally got me a nice #17 at a decent price.

 

 

[porcupine48]

[divad]

(thumbs u Sweet!

 

 

finally got me a nice #17 at a decent price.

 

 

[thedude]

thanks guys, I got 5 or 6 copies of the 18, but was striking out with the 17.

[manetteska]

thanks guys, I got 5 or 6 copies of the 18, but was striking out with the 17.

 

Only 5 or 6? Nice score. Hard to find in the wild.

[divad]

thanks guys, I got 5 or 6 copies of the 18, but was striking out with the 17.

 

Only 5 or 6? Nice score. Hard to find in the wild.

 

For what it's worth, the last two collections I bought had both. In fact, they each had the entire run into the 90s.

[manetteska]

thanks guys, I got 5 or 6 copies of the 18, but was striking out with the 17.

 

Only 5 or 6? Nice score. Hard to find in the wild.

 

For what it's worth, the last two collections I bought had both. In fact, they each had the entire run into the 90s.

 

Back a little before the recent craziness started, I found 2 17's at some local shows.

 

After that, zilch.

 

Even now I can still find 18's at stores for $6 or so.

 

Any 17 2nd prints in there?