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WYTCHES - Scott Snyder & Jock
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LarrysComics

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Because you brought it up saying its not selling heck even the #1 regular issue is selling at 50 dollars on ebay. Not too shabby for a dollar comic book when it was at retail. lol

The one has nothing to do with the other. The Strain sells about ten thousand units per issue. Batgirl sells about fifty thousand units per issue.

 

Now based on that information, can you tell me which of the two series sells more units per issue? Don't hurt yourself now, take your time.

I couldn't agree more with you about one doesn't have anything to do with the other yet you came in comparing Wytches to apples and oranges...its a Image book. I'm sure it'll sell more copies than if it were BOOM or ONI Press or Dark Horse but who cares man really. Sounds like its sour grapes

I wasn't comparing it to anything. Larry compared it to Batgirl, expressing shock that it didn't outsell Batgirl. I put it in perspective, that 99.9999% of creator owned comics do not outsell Batgirl.

 

Dance around the logic all you want in the hopes this is the next big thing in comics. I saw that same kind of enthusiasm with Skullkickers. I'll just be here, not surprised that a DC bat title outsells an unheard of creator owned comic.

 

Larry compared it to Batgirl, expressing shock that it didn't outsell Batgirl based on "his" presales.

 

fixed it for ya..

 

 

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Cool book! Just finished reading issue 1 and I must say it liked it a lot. I like the story and the art and plan on adding this one to my monthly count. I like the art too; it fits the book nicely.

 

Snyder's epilogue where he discusses his inspiration for this book was a good read too; pretty clear the book is very personal to him.

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Creator owned properties CAN sell hundreds. But usually don't. In fact, the overwhelming majority of them have never and will never see the Diamond top 300. A staggering number of them are likely not even stocked by your store. The average number of copies sold, for ones only published by the largest five or so creator owned publishers, is likely in the very low four figures worldwide.

 

The average DC superhero comic would be in the Diamond top 100-150 every month, or else it's cancelled. How many creator owned books are in the top Diamond 150? Lets look. Earliest I can find is June, but here it is.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29081.html

14 creator owned comics made the top 150. Two of them first issues that likely dropped at issue #2.

 

Now, Batgirl sold just under fifty thousand copies that month, coming in at number 30. Only three creator owned comics outsold Batgirl that month. One was Walking Dead, one was Saga, and one was a first issue written by Kirkman. Those are the only things outselling a typical issue of Batgirl.

 

Breaking News! DC and Marvel superhero comics outsell other comics.

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

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Creator owned properties CAN sell hundreds. But usually don't. In fact, the overwhelming majority of them have never and will never see the Diamond top 300. A staggering number of them are likely not even stocked by your store. The average number of copies sold, for ones only published by the largest five or so creator owned publishers, is likely in the very low four figures worldwide.

 

The average DC superhero comic would be in the Diamond top 100-150 every month, or else it's cancelled. How many creator owned books are in the top Diamond 150? Lets look. Earliest I can find is June, but here it is.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29081.html

14 creator owned comics made the top 150. Two of them first issues that likely dropped at issue #2.

 

Now, Batgirl sold just under fifty thousand copies that month, coming in at number 30. Only three creator owned comics outsold Batgirl that month. One was Walking Dead, one was Saga, and one was a first issue written by Kirkman. Those are the only things outselling a typical issue of Batgirl.

 

Breaking News! DC and Marvel superhero comics outsell other comics.

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

There is no regularly scheduled program... yet. The modern board chatter has mostly devolved into speculation discussion on every new title that comes out, and let's face it there is little else to discuss after a five minute read. Give it six months or a year and then there might be something interesting going on in this thread, until then print runs, ebay and opinions are all you and I are going to hear.

 

Modern speculation isn't dead it's just sometimes hard to comprehend why not when it's being increasingly absorbed by the publisher, the print runs are in the majority massively top heavy, there are more than enough NM copies and TV show news rules the roost even if a comic doesn't necessarily have a built in fan base. The frenzy that can ensue IMHO has very little to do with the content and escapist entertainment that a well read comic fan is interested in, it's just heightened expectation, placing bets and timing. All of a sudden anyone not joining in is apparently experiencing a severe case of butthurt because they missed the boat. Probably not the case... maybe they are just looking at things objectively regarding the speculation itself only (not dissing the book).

 

Even if you forgo these forums and go and look at some of the review sites there's hardly a bad comic out there? ? ? http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/release-dates/2014-10-08 It's all the same bland monochrome canvas of words jumbled together where it's even more difficult to pick out any real gems. That's a bit of a tangent... but it's also part of the reason why I am starting to dislike reading about new titles anywhere online until they have been given a chance to get a couple of arcs done.

 

Who knows? Wytches could be pretty awesome... let's wait and see :P

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Even if you forgo these forums and go and look at some of the review sites there's hardly a bad comic out there? ? ? http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/release-dates/2014-10-08 It's all the same bland monochrome canvas of words jumbled together where it's even more difficult to pick out any real gems.

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Creator owned properties CAN sell hundreds. But usually don't. In fact, the overwhelming majority of them have never and will never see the Diamond top 300. A staggering number of them are likely not even stocked by your store. The average number of copies sold, for ones only published by the largest five or so creator owned publishers, is likely in the very low four figures worldwide.

 

The average DC superhero comic would be in the Diamond top 100-150 every month, or else it's cancelled. How many creator owned books are in the top Diamond 150? Lets look. Earliest I can find is June, but here it is.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29081.html

14 creator owned comics made the top 150. Two of them first issues that likely dropped at issue #2.

 

Now, Batgirl sold just under fifty thousand copies that month, coming in at number 30. Only three creator owned comics outsold Batgirl that month. One was Walking Dead, one was Saga, and one was a first issue written by Kirkman. Those are the only things outselling a typical issue of Batgirl.

 

Breaking News! DC and Marvel superhero comics outsell other comics.

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

There is no regularly scheduled program... yet. The modern board chatter has mostly devolved into speculation discussion on every new title that comes out, and let's face it there is little else to discuss after a five minute read. Give it six months or a year and then there might be something interesting going on in this thread, until then print runs, ebay and opinions are all you and I are going to hear.

 

Modern speculation isn't dead it's just sometimes hard to comprehend why not when it's being increasingly absorbed by the publisher, the print runs are in the majority massively top heavy, there are more than enough NM copies and TV show news rules the roost even if a comic doesn't necessarily have a built in fan base. The frenzy that can ensue IMHO has very little to do with the content and escapist entertainment that a well read comic fan is interested in, it's just heightened expectation, placing bets and timing. All of a sudden anyone not joining in is apparently experiencing a severe case of butthurt because they missed the boat. Probably not the case... maybe they are just looking at things objectively regarding the speculation itself only (not dissing the book).

 

Even if you forgo these forums and go and look at some of the review sites there's hardly a bad comic out there? ? ? http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/release-dates/2014-10-08 It's all the same bland monochrome canvas of words jumbled together where it's even more difficult to pick out any real gems. That's a bit of a tangent... but it's also part of the reason why I am starting to dislike reading about new titles anywhere online until they have been given a chance to get a couple of arcs done.

 

Who knows? Wytches could be pretty awesome... let's wait and see :P

 

I agree with most of this except for the reviews. Comparing DC to Marvel to Image you'll find that DC and Marvel don't fare so well. Maybe its a bias toward the smaller company but I just think Image is putting out better books. I was guilty of buying Marvel and DC out of habit for years. No more of that for me. Now, I wait and see what people get excited about and buy the stuff in trades. On the other hand, I'm rarely disappointed by Image. Thats not to say they haven't had some clunkers but they don't last long when they do.

 

Current DC titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics

 

Current Image titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/image-comics

 

Current Marvel titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/marvel-comics

 

These companies don't hold up well either.

 

IDW

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/idw-publishing

 

Dynamite

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dynamite-entertainment

 

Image is playing Ben Grimm and " It's clobberin' time ! " :grin:

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Creator owned properties CAN sell hundreds. But usually don't. In fact, the overwhelming majority of them have never and will never see the Diamond top 300. A staggering number of them are likely not even stocked by your store. The average number of copies sold, for ones only published by the largest five or so creator owned publishers, is likely in the very low four figures worldwide.

 

The average DC superhero comic would be in the Diamond top 100-150 every month, or else it's cancelled. How many creator owned books are in the top Diamond 150? Lets look. Earliest I can find is June, but here it is.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29081.html

14 creator owned comics made the top 150. Two of them first issues that likely dropped at issue #2.

 

Now, Batgirl sold just under fifty thousand copies that month, coming in at number 30. Only three creator owned comics outsold Batgirl that month. One was Walking Dead, one was Saga, and one was a first issue written by Kirkman. Those are the only things outselling a typical issue of Batgirl.

 

Breaking News! DC and Marvel superhero comics outsell other comics.

 

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

There is no regularly scheduled program... yet. The modern board chatter has mostly devolved into speculation discussion on every new title that comes out, and let's face it there is little else to discuss after a five minute read. Give it six months or a year and then there might be something interesting going on in this thread, until then print runs, ebay and opinions are all you and I are going to hear.

 

Modern speculation isn't dead it's just sometimes hard to comprehend why not when it's being increasingly absorbed by the publisher, the print runs are in the majority massively top heavy, there are more than enough NM copies and TV show news rules the roost even if a comic doesn't necessarily have a built in fan base. The frenzy that can ensue IMHO has very little to do with the content and escapist entertainment that a well read comic fan is interested in, it's just heightened expectation, placing bets and timing. All of a sudden anyone not joining in is apparently experiencing a severe case of butthurt because they missed the boat. Probably not the case... maybe they are just looking at things objectively regarding the speculation itself only (not dissing the book).

 

Even if you forgo these forums and go and look at some of the review sites there's hardly a bad comic out there? ? ? http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/release-dates/2014-10-08 It's all the same bland monochrome canvas of words jumbled together where it's even more difficult to pick out any real gems. That's a bit of a tangent... but it's also part of the reason why I am starting to dislike reading about new titles anywhere online until they have been given a chance to get a couple of arcs done.

 

Who knows? Wytches could be pretty awesome... let's wait and see :P

 

I agree with most of this except for the reviews. Comparing DC to Marvel to Image you'll find that DC and Marvel don't fare so well. Maybe its a bias toward the smaller company but I just think Image is putting out better books. I was guilty of buying Marvel and DC out of habit for years. No more of that for me. Now, I wait and see what people get excited about and buy the stuff in trades. On the other hand, I'm rarely disappointed by Image. Thats not to say they haven't had some clunkers but they don't last long when they do.

 

Current DC titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics

 

Current Image titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/image-comics

 

Current Marvel titles

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/marvel-comics

 

These companies don't hold up well either.

 

IDW

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/idw-publishing

 

Dynamite

http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dynamite-entertainment

 

Image is playing Ben Grimm and " It's clobberin' time ! " :grin:

 

It's a bad example. Out of those 65 Image titles only 1/4 of them have issues reviewed in double digits and plenty of them 5 or less. Also any kind of meaningful analysis means you would actually have to read the reviews written to see if they were any good. I'd prefer to assume that a lot of it is just noise.

 

I mean where do these people get their idiotic review information from, is there some kind of cess pit full of that they dredge?

 

http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com/punks-comic-1-rwg-reviews/

 

Overall: This has the humour and feel of a Young Ones episode, mixed with the Xeroxed aesthetics of a punk ‘zine and the animations of Terry Gilliam. It’s crazy stuff, crammed with knowing humour and a bazillion pop culture references. If the cover appeals to you, the innards will also. Punks: The Comic is heaps of fun. Final score: 8 out of 10.

 

 

29 Sep

 

some kind of Terry Gilliam, Sex Pistols homage?

 

Can't say I have ever read it but a first impressions I get from the previews out there that it's probably been done before by "The Young Ones"

 

 

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Looks like people have been buying all the NYCC variants in the $20 range on feebay. Only a couple active auctions at the moment.

 

 

I see the 4th world variant selling for a lot more which is a head scratcher. I think many don't know that the NYCC variant has only a 500 print run. lol I predict the NYCC cover will be a $100 book soon.

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My favorite is the Sean Murphy. The whole 'monster under the bed' thing creeps me the he!! out.

 

Kind of like when I watch Aliens and I'm always looking around or expecting something to jump out at me. I might end up giving myself a heart attack :(

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My favorite is the Sean Murphy. The whole 'monster under the bed' thing creeps me the he!! out.

 

Kind of like when I watch Aliens and I'm always looking around or expecting something to jump out at me. I might end up giving myself a heart attack :(

 

Didn't you get all the covers? I know you were excited about this series

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