Cerebus 1 a more valuable key than Hulk 181? Really Overstreet? Poll on Page 87 3 3

[Prince Namor]

So just so we have something to show for the 10,000+ word essays Jaydog and RMA have put into this healthy debate can we all agree on the following?:

 

1.)In 9.4 Cerebus #1 is undoubtably more valuable than Hulk 181 (in 9.4)(Continuously proven by: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.)

 

2.)In 9.2, the 181 and Cerebus are too close to call. The lack of recent Cerebus 1 sales in grade (available through public data points) and a few all time high 181's in 9.2 make for a compelling argument, but if both books were listed in 10 day auctions on the same venue the line in Vegas would be close to even as to which would bring the higher hammer price. Just how close these books are in price is further evidenced by OPG changing their rankings year over year. The 'Vegas' line would favor Cerebus for at least two reasons and one, this thread shows us: Besides dealers and those seeking the book themselves, most fan boys have no clue of the draw of a HG copy of that book or that it even makes this much noise in the market. And two, a Hulk 181 in 9.2: Big Whooptity Doo. You can find that any day of the week.

 

3.)In 9.0 and below, the 181 is decisively pricier than Cerebus #1. you mean in 8.5

 

4.)DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5 has no business making the BA top 10 list. A 9.4 just sold in June for $1856 - A Bronze Age 9.4 for $1856 belongs on this list.

 

5.)Star Wars #1 $.35 variant is hands down the most valuable book of the genre. I think a straight up 9.6 of this would beat a 9.6 Cerebus, but it would be a worthy battle, and yet... the 35 cent Star Wars is accepted as legitimate and the Cerebus has to fight for respect. Weird.

 

And keep in mind... not all sales are listed on GPA, even from the auction houses. This would be higher than anything on GPA for the book in 8.5, listed in July and already sold:

 

 

Chuck, dude, seriously. You're obviously a HUGE fan of Cerebus but try to at least have some air of objectivity:

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Cerebus 1, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Hulk 181, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-1st-app-Wolverine-CGC-8-5-VF-Marvel-Comics-1974-/360905693614?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5407a7d9ae

 

Even if that Comiclink sale goes through, Hulk 181 still blows it out of the water at that grade.

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available sale for a Hulk 181, 9.0:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-181-CGC-9-0-OW-1st-Appearance-of-Wolverine-of-the-X-Men-/231302168936?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35daaf0168

 

When was the last time a Cerebus 1, 9.0 blue went for that?

 

Oh, right.

 

And you're STILL trying to have your cake and eat it too, dismissing the new high sale of hulk 181 9.2 because you can find one "any day of the week", and then merely SPECULATING on what a scarcer 9.2 Cerebus 1 would go for now (in its favor of course), BECAUSE NO 9.2 CEREBUS 1 HAS EVER SOLD ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT HULK 181 9.2:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-WHITE-PAGES-CGC-GRADED-9-2-NOVEMBER-1974-/400755267796?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d4ee018d4

 

Oh, and just for the hell of it...why don't you tell me how many Hulk 181 9.2's are available right now on ebay? Comic link.....? comic connect....? mycomicshop.....? On these boards.....? What's that you say? NONE? Really Chuck? For a "common" book in any grade I can find any day of the week, you mean to tell me that today, on a Saturday there actually ISN'T one available in a 9.2?

 

You think THAT might have something to do with why the buyer decided to pull the trigger at that price? Supply and demand, right? Just like you state for the cerebus 1.

 

And what about this rampant speculation that you are employing, based on absolutely no data points whatsoever, that a 9.2 cerebus 1 could sniff 3K right now? Surely with inflation it would get that at an auction now right?

 

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted) is very strong circumstantial evidence to suggest "No". Where an 8.5 is closing at right now suggests "No". The fact that a 9.0 has never even hit $2,000 suggests "No". Please do tell me, what publicly available sales data are you using that tells you otherwise? Or is it just "wishful thinking"? Why let facts and actual sales figures get in the way of the myth you want to perpetuate about this book, right? Do you have some copies you want to sell soon or something? You keep talking about which book a dealer would buy if they had $500 to spend. What does that have to do with anything? This thread was started because the OP thought it was ridiculous for cerebus to be called "more valuable" by Overstreet on his BA list. And it IS ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

 

I have never disputed that a cerebus 1 9.4 has sold for more than a hulk 181 9.4. That is the only thing you have said that has been accurate and supported by verifiable sales data.

 

And my response to that has always been that a small print run book with literally only a handful of copies available in its respective top grade (cerebus 1)outselling another far more mainstream book, with 80X more copies available in that one grade (hulk 181, and not even its top grade, or second top grade, or third top grade) is not a "real world" way to determine that said book is "more valuable" than the other. It just isn't. Overstreet needs to revise his criteria, because that is simply laughable. Especially when the other book, as the most recent publicly available sales indicate, OUT PERFORMS IT IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GRADE. Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, it is what it is.

 

-J.

 

No one said Cerebus 1 out performs IH181 in 8.5. Why are you arguing that point. It's comical.

 

As far as high grade, it comes down to this: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Why?

 

Because it would make them more money.

 

It's more VALUABLE.

 

You can't dispute this, but it proves the fact.

 

You IGNORE this, because it proves the fact.

 

No matter WHAT theory you concoct in your head, the BOTTOM line, REAL WORLD application of ANY of this is: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

And any national dealer that I've talked to that's seen this thread has laughed at your inability to understand this and you're intellectual dishonesty in trying to add different parameters to the discussion.

 

REAL WORLD: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Game over. It's more valuable on the market, which means it's more valuable.

 

THAT's the only thing anyone has argued with you. All this other stuff you're inventing in your head is just silly.

 

Seriously. You have no idea how bad you're embarrassing yourself at your lack of understanding of how the market really works.

[Prince Namor]

And Hulk #181 CGC 9.2? First place I looked....

 

On EBay

[Jaydogrules]

And Hulk #181 CGC 9.2? First place I looked....

 

On EBay

 

First place you looked? Sure. . Kudos on digging up the ONE available Hulk 181 9.2 on the entirety of the internet that I managed to miss. (thumbs u

 

And I happened to find TEN current and readily available copies of Cerebus 1 available across seven different grades, with scant "offers" between them. What was the point this was supposed to be proving again?

 

-J.

[HighStakesComics]

It proves that a 9.2 with poor pq for grade can still command significant interest when priced 25% above the 90 DMA

[Jaydogrules]

So just so we have something to show for the 10,000+ word essays Jaydog and RMA have put into this healthy debate can we all agree on the following?:

 

1.)In 9.4 Cerebus #1 is undoubtably more valuable than Hulk 181 (in 9.4)(Continuously proven by: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.)

 

2.)In 9.2, the 181 and Cerebus are too close to call. The lack of recent Cerebus 1 sales in grade (available through public data points) and a few all time high 181's in 9.2 make for a compelling argument, but if both books were listed in 10 day auctions on the same venue the line in Vegas would be close to even as to which would bring the higher hammer price. Just how close these books are in price is further evidenced by OPG changing their rankings year over year. The 'Vegas' line would favor Cerebus for at least two reasons and one, this thread shows us: Besides dealers and those seeking the book themselves, most fan boys have no clue of the draw of a HG copy of that book or that it even makes this much noise in the market. And two, a Hulk 181 in 9.2: Big Whooptity Doo. You can find that any day of the week.

 

3.)In 9.0 and below, the 181 is decisively pricier than Cerebus #1. you mean in 8.5

 

4.)DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5 has no business making the BA top 10 list. A 9.4 just sold in June for $1856 - A Bronze Age 9.4 for $1856 belongs on this list.

 

5.)Star Wars #1 $.35 variant is hands down the most valuable book of the genre. I think a straight up 9.6 of this would beat a 9.6 Cerebus, but it would be a worthy battle, and yet... the 35 cent Star Wars is accepted as legitimate and the Cerebus has to fight for respect. Weird.

 

And keep in mind... not all sales are listed on GPA, even from the auction houses. This would be higher than anything on GPA for the book in 8.5, listed in July and already sold:

 

 

Chuck, dude, seriously. You're obviously a HUGE fan of Cerebus but try to at least have some air of objectivity:

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Cerebus 1, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Hulk 181, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-1st-app-Wolverine-CGC-8-5-VF-Marvel-Comics-1974-/360905693614?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5407a7d9ae

 

Even if that Comiclink sale goes through, Hulk 181 still blows it out of the water at that grade.

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available sale for a Hulk 181, 9.0:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-181-CGC-9-0-OW-1st-Appearance-of-Wolverine-of-the-X-Men-/231302168936?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35daaf0168

 

When was the last time a Cerebus 1, 9.0 blue went for that?

 

Oh, right.

 

And you're STILL trying to have your cake and eat it too, dismissing the new high sale of hulk 181 9.2 because you can find one "any day of the week", and then merely SPECULATING on what a scarcer 9.2 Cerebus 1 would go for now (in its favor of course), BECAUSE NO 9.2 CEREBUS 1 HAS EVER SOLD ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT HULK 181 9.2:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-WHITE-PAGES-CGC-GRADED-9-2-NOVEMBER-1974-/400755267796?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d4ee018d4

 

Oh, and just for the hell of it...why don't you tell me how many Hulk 181 9.2's are available right now on ebay? Comic link.....? comic connect....? mycomicshop.....? On these boards.....? What's that you say? NONE? Really Chuck? For a "common" book in any grade I can find any day of the week, you mean to tell me that today, on a Saturday there actually ISN'T one available in a 9.2?

 

You think THAT might have something to do with why the buyer decided to pull the trigger at that price? Supply and demand, right? Just like you state for the cerebus 1.

 

And what about this rampant speculation that you are employing, based on absolutely no data points whatsoever, that a 9.2 cerebus 1 could sniff 3K right now? Surely with inflation it would get that at an auction now right?

 

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted) is very strong circumstantial evidence to suggest "No". Where an 8.5 is closing at right now suggests "No". The fact that a 9.0 has never even hit $2,000 suggests "No". Please do tell me, what publicly available sales data are you using that tells you otherwise? Or is it just "wishful thinking"? Why let facts and actual sales figures get in the way of the myth you want to perpetuate about this book, right? Do you have some copies you want to sell soon or something? You keep talking about which book a dealer would buy if they had $500 to spend. What does that have to do with anything? This thread was started because the OP thought it was ridiculous for cerebus to be called "more valuable" by Overstreet on his BA list. And it IS ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

 

I have never disputed that a cerebus 1 9.4 has sold for more than a hulk 181 9.4. That is the only thing you have said that has been accurate and supported by verifiable sales data.

 

And my response to that has always been that a small print run book with literally only a handful of copies available in its respective top grade (cerebus 1)outselling another far more mainstream book, with 80X more copies available in that one grade (hulk 181, and not even its top grade, or second top grade, or third top grade) is not a "real world" way to determine that said book is "more valuable" than the other. It just isn't. Overstreet needs to revise his criteria, because that is simply laughable. Especially when the other book, as the most recent publicly available sales indicate, OUT PERFORMS IT IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GRADE. Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, it is what it is.

 

-J.

 

No one said Cerebus 1 out performs IH181 in 8.5. Why are you arguing that point. It's comical.

 

As far as high grade, it comes down to this: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Why?

 

Because it would make them more money.

 

It's more VALUABLE.

 

You can't dispute this, but it proves the fact.

 

You IGNORE this, because it proves the fact.

 

No matter WHAT theory you concoct in your head, the BOTTOM line, REAL WORLD application of ANY of this is: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

And any national dealer that I've talked to that's seen this thread has laughed at your inability to understand this and you're intellectual dishonesty in trying to add different parameters to the discussion.

 

REAL WORLD: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Game over. It's more valuable on the market, which means it's more valuable.

 

THAT's the only thing anyone has argued with you. All this other stuff you're inventing in your head is just silly.

 

Seriously. You have no idea how bad you're embarrassing yourself at your lack of understanding of how the market really works.

 

Chuck, on this point I do agree with you. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

It proves that a 9.2 with poor pq for grade can still command significant interest when priced 25% above the 90 DMA

 

Yes I actually noticed that too when I clicked the link. 16 offers. Wow.

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

So just so we have something to show for the 10,000+ word essays Jaydog and RMA have put into this healthy debate can we all agree on the following?:

 

1.)In 9.4 Cerebus #1 is undoubtably more valuable than Hulk 181 (in 9.4)(Continuously proven by: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.)

 

2.)In 9.2, the 181 and Cerebus are too close to call. The lack of recent Cerebus 1 sales in grade (available through public data points) and a few all time high 181's in 9.2 make for a compelling argument, but if both books were listed in 10 day auctions on the same venue the line in Vegas would be close to even as to which would bring the higher hammer price. Just how close these books are in price is further evidenced by OPG changing their rankings year over year. The 'Vegas' line would favor Cerebus for at least two reasons and one, this thread shows us: Besides dealers and those seeking the book themselves, most fan boys have no clue of the draw of a HG copy of that book or that it even makes this much noise in the market. And two, a Hulk 181 in 9.2: Big Whooptity Doo. You can find that any day of the week.

 

3.)In 9.0 and below, the 181 is decisively pricier than Cerebus #1. you mean in 8.5

 

4.)DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5 has no business making the BA top 10 list. A 9.4 just sold in June for $1856 - A Bronze Age 9.4 for $1856 belongs on this list.

 

5.)Star Wars #1 $.35 variant is hands down the most valuable book of the genre. I think a straight up 9.6 of this would beat a 9.6 Cerebus, but it would be a worthy battle, and yet... the 35 cent Star Wars is accepted as legitimate and the Cerebus has to fight for respect. Weird.

 

And keep in mind... not all sales are listed on GPA, even from the auction houses. This would be higher than anything on GPA for the book in 8.5, listed in July and already sold:

 

 

Chuck, dude, seriously. You're obviously a HUGE fan of Cerebus but try to at least have some air of objectivity:

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Cerebus 1, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Hulk 181, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-1st-app-Wolverine-CGC-8-5-VF-Marvel-Comics-1974-/360905693614?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5407a7d9ae

 

Even if that Comiclink sale goes through, Hulk 181 still blows it out of the water at that grade.

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available sale for a Hulk 181, 9.0:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-181-CGC-9-0-OW-1st-Appearance-of-Wolverine-of-the-X-Men-/231302168936?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35daaf0168

 

When was the last time a Cerebus 1, 9.0 blue went for that?

 

Oh, right.

 

And you're STILL trying to have your cake and eat it too, dismissing the new high sale of hulk 181 9.2 because you can find one "any day of the week", and then merely SPECULATING on what a scarcer 9.2 Cerebus 1 would go for now (in its favor of course), BECAUSE NO 9.2 CEREBUS 1 HAS EVER SOLD ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT HULK 181 9.2:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-WHITE-PAGES-CGC-GRADED-9-2-NOVEMBER-1974-/400755267796?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d4ee018d4

 

Oh, and just for the hell of it...why don't you tell me how many Hulk 181 9.2's are available right now on ebay? Comic link.....? comic connect....? mycomicshop.....? On these boards.....? What's that you say? NONE? Really Chuck? For a "common" book in any grade I can find any day of the week, you mean to tell me that today, on a Saturday there actually ISN'T one available in a 9.2?

 

You think THAT might have something to do with why the buyer decided to pull the trigger at that price? Supply and demand, right? Just like you state for the cerebus 1.

 

And what about this rampant speculation that you are employing, based on absolutely no data points whatsoever, that a 9.2 cerebus 1 could sniff 3K right now? Surely with inflation it would get that at an auction now right?

 

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted) is very strong circumstantial evidence to suggest "No". Where an 8.5 is closing at right now suggests "No". The fact that a 9.0 has never even hit $2,000 suggests "No". Please do tell me, what publicly available sales data are you using that tells you otherwise? Or is it just "wishful thinking"? Why let facts and actual sales figures get in the way of the myth you want to perpetuate about this book, right? Do you have some copies you want to sell soon or something? You keep talking about which book a dealer would buy if they had $500 to spend. What does that have to do with anything? This thread was started because the OP thought it was ridiculous for cerebus to be called "more valuable" by Overstreet on his BA list. And it IS ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

 

I have never disputed that a cerebus 1 9.4 has sold for more than a hulk 181 9.4. That is the only thing you have said that has been accurate and supported by verifiable sales data.

 

And my response to that has always been that a small print run book with literally only a handful of copies available in its respective top grade (cerebus 1)outselling another far more mainstream book, with 80X more copies available in that one grade (hulk 181, and not even its top grade, or second top grade, or third top grade) is not a "real world" way to determine that said book is "more valuable" than the other. It just isn't. Overstreet needs to revise his criteria, because that is simply laughable. Especially when the other book, as the most recent publicly available sales indicate, OUT PERFORMS IT IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GRADE. Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, it is what it is.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do not debate reasonably, your arguments are made from emotion rather than reason, you get nearly all of your information wrong or muddled, and you accuse others of the very bias that you won't admit.

 

Very disappointing.

[RockMyAmadeus]

So just so we have something to show for the 10,000+ word essays Jaydog and RMA have put into this healthy debate can we all agree on the following?:

 

1.)In 9.4 Cerebus #1 is undoubtably more valuable than Hulk 181 (in 9.4)(Continuously proven by: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.)

 

2.)In 9.2, the 181 and Cerebus are too close to call. The lack of recent Cerebus 1 sales in grade (available through public data points) and a few all time high 181's in 9.2 make for a compelling argument, but if both books were listed in 10 day auctions on the same venue the line in Vegas would be close to even as to which would bring the higher hammer price. Just how close these books are in price is further evidenced by OPG changing their rankings year over year. The 'Vegas' line would favor Cerebus for at least two reasons and one, this thread shows us: Besides dealers and those seeking the book themselves, most fan boys have no clue of the draw of a HG copy of that book or that it even makes this much noise in the market. And two, a Hulk 181 in 9.2: Big Whooptity Doo. You can find that any day of the week.

 

3.)In 9.0 and below, the 181 is decisively pricier than Cerebus #1. you mean in 8.5

 

4.)DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5 has no business making the BA top 10 list. A 9.4 just sold in June for $1856 - A Bronze Age 9.4 for $1856 belongs on this list.

 

5.)Star Wars #1 $.35 variant is hands down the most valuable book of the genre. I think a straight up 9.6 of this would beat a 9.6 Cerebus, but it would be a worthy battle, and yet... the 35 cent Star Wars is accepted as legitimate and the Cerebus has to fight for respect. Weird.

 

And keep in mind... not all sales are listed on GPA, even from the auction houses. This would be higher than anything on GPA for the book in 8.5, listed in July and already sold:

 

 

Chuck, dude, seriously. You're obviously a HUGE fan of Cerebus but try to at least have some air of objectivity:

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Cerebus 1, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available closed sale of a Hulk 181, 8.5:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-1st-app-Wolverine-CGC-8-5-VF-Marvel-Comics-1974-/360905693614?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5407a7d9ae

 

Even if that Comiclink sale goes through, Hulk 181 still blows it out of the water at that grade.

 

 

THIS is the most recent, publicly available sale for a Hulk 181, 9.0:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-181-CGC-9-0-OW-1st-Appearance-of-Wolverine-of-the-X-Men-/231302168936?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35daaf0168

 

When was the last time a Cerebus 1, 9.0 blue went for that?

 

Oh, right.

 

And you're STILL trying to have your cake and eat it too, dismissing the new high sale of hulk 181 9.2 because you can find one "any day of the week", and then merely SPECULATING on what a scarcer 9.2 Cerebus 1 would go for now (in its favor of course), BECAUSE NO 9.2 CEREBUS 1 HAS EVER SOLD ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT HULK 181 9.2:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-HULK-181-WHITE-PAGES-CGC-GRADED-9-2-NOVEMBER-1974-/400755267796?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d4ee018d4

 

Oh, and just for the hell of it...why don't you tell me how many Hulk 181 9.2's are available right now on ebay? Comic link.....? comic connect....? mycomicshop.....? On these boards.....? What's that you say? NONE? Really Chuck? For a "common" book in any grade I can find any day of the week, you mean to tell me that today, on a Saturday there actually ISN'T one available in a 9.2?

 

You think THAT might have something to do with why the buyer decided to pull the trigger at that price? Supply and demand, right? Just like you state for the cerebus 1.

 

And what about this rampant speculation that you are employing, based on absolutely no data points whatsoever, that a 9.2 cerebus 1 could sniff 3K right now? Surely with inflation it would get that at an auction now right?

 

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted) is very strong circumstantial evidence to suggest "No". Where an 8.5 is closing at right now suggests "No". The fact that a 9.0 has never even hit $2,000 suggests "No". Please do tell me, what publicly available sales data are you using that tells you otherwise? Or is it just "wishful thinking"? Why let facts and actual sales figures get in the way of the myth you want to perpetuate about this book, right? Do you have some copies you want to sell soon or something? You keep talking about which book a dealer would buy if they had $500 to spend. What does that have to do with anything? This thread was started because the OP thought it was ridiculous for cerebus to be called "more valuable" by Overstreet on his BA list. And it IS ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

 

I have never disputed that a cerebus 1 9.4 has sold for more than a hulk 181 9.4. That is the only thing you have said that has been accurate and supported by verifiable sales data.

 

And my response to that has always been that a small print run book with literally only a handful of copies available in its respective top grade (cerebus 1)outselling another far more mainstream book, with 80X more copies available in that one grade (hulk 181, and not even its top grade, or second top grade, or third top grade) is not a "real world" way to determine that said book is "more valuable" than the other. It just isn't. Overstreet needs to revise his criteria, because that is simply laughable. Especially when the other book, as the most recent publicly available sales indicate, OUT PERFORMS IT IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GRADE. Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, it is what it is.

 

-J.

 

No one said Cerebus 1 out performs IH181 in 8.5. Why are you arguing that point. It's comical.

 

As far as high grade, it comes down to this: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Why?

 

Because it would make them more money.

 

It's more VALUABLE.

 

You can't dispute this, but it proves the fact.

 

You IGNORE this, because it proves the fact.

 

No matter WHAT theory you concoct in your head, the BOTTOM line, REAL WORLD application of ANY of this is: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

And any national dealer that I've talked to that's seen this thread has laughed at your inability to understand this and you're intellectual dishonesty in trying to add different parameters to the discussion.

 

REAL WORLD: Any national dealer on this board, if given a chance, would buy a Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 over a Hulk #181 CGC 9.4 - if offered either one or the other - for $500.

 

Game over. It's more valuable on the market, which means it's more valuable.

 

THAT's the only thing anyone has argued with you. All this other stuff you're inventing in your head is just silly.

 

Seriously. You have no idea how bad you're embarrassing yourself at your lack of understanding of how the market really works.

 

All of this, too.

 

Very disappointing.

 

Jaydog, just out of curiosity...how old are you?

[RockMyAmadeus]

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted)

 

Just this one point: you are factually incorrect. This is not true. It is false information. It is not correct. It is documented that this is not correct.

 

And that's just one point.

 

Stop, Jaydog. Just stop.

[Jimmy Linguini]

Is this the thread where we debate the merits of buying Oktoberfest Comics #1?

[Jaydogrules]

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted)

 

Just this one point: you are factually incorrect. This is not true. It is false information. It is not correct. It is documented that this is not correct.

 

And that's just one point.

 

Stop, Jaydog. Just stop.

 

Show us the documents. Or are you now disavowing the very GPA data you earlier cited ?

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

The fact that a 9.4 cerebus 1 has DECREASED in value about 15% in the last 10 years (as another poster has noted)

 

Just this one point: you are factually incorrect. This is not true. It is false information. It is not correct. It is documented that this is not correct.

 

And that's just one point.

 

Stop, Jaydog. Just stop.

 

Show us the documents. Or are you now disavowing the very GPA data you earlier cited ?

 

-J.

 

Read it again.

[Jaydogrules]

 

The facts dispute you. What else can be said?

 

Always love a person who makes his own interpretation out to be facts.

 

Facts:

 

Cerebus #1 sales, as recorded at GPA...

 

( 9.4 ) - - (1) $9,000 - $9,000 Mar-2014

 

( 9.4 ) Sgnt series/Signed by Dave Sim (Dave Sim File Copy) - - - - $7,768 Feb-2010

 

2009

 

(1) $7,754Hi

 

2004

 

(1) $10,600Hi

 

Total books sold: 3. Hi/Low price recorded: $10,600/$7,754

 

( 9.2 ) Sgnt series/Signed by Dave Sim (Dave Sim File Copy) - - - - $2,136 Nov-2005

 

These are facts, established and recorded. Do you dispute these facts? Because these are the facts to which I refer, not my opinion.

 

And I especially find it funny when a person reads his own view into my writings. You are batting 1000.

 

Please try not to be so easily offended, and ask before assuming an incorrect interpretation of what someone else has written. My "no" was not about Jaydog's understanding of your original post, but rather that it is "only in Overstreet" that such a conclusion can be reached.

 

My apologies for not cutting out the phrase " I think that's in line with the OP's original point too;" which led to your misunderstanding my post.

 

Really, do you own a copy of Cerebus 1? I can understand and appreciate your passion for the book.

 

You make the mistake of assuming I am arguing out of passion...perhaps because that is all you know? I do not argue out of passion, but out of reason, regardless of my personal feelings about both books.

 

But your textual interpretation of the OSPG, while a noble way of looking at it, is not exclusive. There's nothing wrong or illogical with looking at other factors beyond the text itself.

 

When you change the parameters of the original premise, and then use that to argue that the original premise is therefore wrong, that's irrational.

 

That's precisely what has happened here.

 

I see you disagree with that and your opinion has been noted. So please, stop trying to impress upon all of us here that you're the great defender of reason and logic. You made your point that you disagree with the position that some of us find credible.

 

I'm sorry that you are offended by this, but that doesn't change the fact that your position...that Cerebus #1 is only more valuable according to Overstreet, and that itself is an unreasonable conclusion for Overstreet to draw...is invalid.

 

All righty then found your post and I'm quoting it again here for quick reference.

 

So a cerebus 1, 9.4 sold for $10,600 in 2004.

 

And $9000 in 2014.

 

That's a 15% drop in value in its top grade in 10 years.

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

The facts dispute you. What else can be said?

 

Always love a person who makes his own interpretation out to be facts.

 

Facts:

 

Cerebus #1 sales, as recorded at GPA...

 

( 9.4 ) - - (1) $9,000 - $9,000 Mar-2014

 

( 9.4 ) Sgnt series/Signed by Dave Sim (Dave Sim File Copy) - - - - $7,768 Feb-2010

 

2009

 

(1) $7,754Hi

 

2004

 

(1) $10,600Hi

 

Total books sold: 3. Hi/Low price recorded: $10,600/$7,754

 

( 9.2 ) Sgnt series/Signed by Dave Sim (Dave Sim File Copy) - - - - $2,136 Nov-2005

 

These are facts, established and recorded. Do you dispute these facts? Because these are the facts to which I refer, not my opinion.

 

And I especially find it funny when a person reads his own view into my writings. You are batting 1000.

 

Please try not to be so easily offended, and ask before assuming an incorrect interpretation of what someone else has written. My "no" was not about Jaydog's understanding of your original post, but rather that it is "only in Overstreet" that such a conclusion can be reached.

 

My apologies for not cutting out the phrase " I think that's in line with the OP's original point too;" which led to your misunderstanding my post.

 

Really, do you own a copy of Cerebus 1? I can understand and appreciate your passion for the book.

 

You make the mistake of assuming I am arguing out of passion...perhaps because that is all you know? I do not argue out of passion, but out of reason, regardless of my personal feelings about both books.

 

But your textual interpretation of the OSPG, while a noble way of looking at it, is not exclusive. There's nothing wrong or illogical with looking at other factors beyond the text itself.

 

When you change the parameters of the original premise, and then use that to argue that the original premise is therefore wrong, that's irrational.

 

That's precisely what has happened here.

 

I see you disagree with that and your opinion has been noted. So please, stop trying to impress upon all of us here that you're the great defender of reason and logic. You made your point that you disagree with the position that some of us find credible.

 

I'm sorry that you are offended by this, but that doesn't change the fact that your position...that Cerebus #1 is only more valuable according to Overstreet, and that itself is an unreasonable conclusion for Overstreet to draw...is invalid.

 

All righty then found your post and I'm quoting it again here for quick reference.

 

So a cerebus 1, 9.4 sold for $10,600 in 2004.

 

And $9000 in 2014.

 

That's a 15% drop in value in its top grade in 10 years.

 

-J.

 

Read it again.

[Jaydogrules]

I think you should read it again.

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

I think you should read it again.

 

-J.

 

Then you admit you were wrong?

[RockMyAmadeus]

PS....how old are you?

[Jaydogrules]

PS....how old are you?

 

I don't get personal on these open boards. Your interpretation of your own data is, however, flawed. The book is down in top grade over a ten year period. There's really no need to go back and forth about it. Other folks can see the data you quoted and decide for themselves how to interpret those three sales in the last 10 years.

 

-J.

[bababooey]

[HighStakesComics]

I think RMA is reading that Hitler biography again, trying to figure out how to finish off JayDog. I'm anticipating a scathing, 3000 word essay, a briefer version of Mein Kampf, but instead of Germany he will discuss the struggles of Cerebus #1 to gain any respect in grades below 9.2. Speaking of Hitler, I'm about to boot up Wolfenstein on the XBox One. 3 words. Un ducking believable.