Total Existing Copies of AF #15 2 2

[Heronext]

"Verifiable and Quantifiable":

5) Reputable Dealer Reports

 

You have at least one. Telling you you're wrong and that there are at least 10k copies or more out there.

 

We have not had any National Dealer make any posts yet in this thread.

 

 

 

Dale Roberts and Greg Reece are "national" dealers

 

and I've averaged over 20 AF15 purchases and sales a year across the nation, even if I don't fit the "national" dealer mantra

 

Yes I forgot Greg did answer, didn't see Dale's though.

 

I did ask some of bigger National Dealers and their responses probably wouldn't be agreeable as you would think.

 

But you can ask them as well.

 

Who did you ask?

 

My guess is the Rick acquires and sells more big books than a lot of them in a given year.......

 

Wrong guess then.

 

outside of metro, did any dealer you talk to sell (over past 18 months or so)

3 action 1s

2 tec 27's

2 superman 1

1 batman 1

1 captain America 1

24 copies of af15 oops. only sold 17 copies...(bought 24)...my bad

8 copies of All Star 8

30 copies of ST 110

96 copies of hulk 181

1 copy of action 7

2 copies of tec 31

 

and those are just the "highlights"

 

if not, I would say his guess (at least for last year) is very correct

 

Impressive sales figures Gator. I'm still bummed we couldn't work out a deal on that low grade Tec 27.

 

By the way, Greg mentioned he's only come up on one raw, 3.0-ish AF 15 in the last year.

 

How many of those 24 copies that you acquired were raw?

 

-J.

 

If Greg Reece's Rare Comics doesn't have a copy, does that mean it's not rare, or that there are zero in existence?

 

No but it does mean you are being a passive aggressive with that kind of non-sense.

 

Not sure what you mean. Big fan of Greg here

[G.A.tor]

"Verifiable and Quantifiable":

5) Reputable Dealer Reports

 

You have at least one. Telling you you're wrong and that there are at least 10k copies or more out there.

 

We have not had any National Dealer make any posts yet in this thread.

 

 

 

Dale Roberts and Greg Reece are "national" dealers

 

and I've averaged over 20 AF15 purchases and sales a year across the nation, even if I don't fit the "national" dealer mantra

 

Yes I forgot Greg did answer, didn't see Dale's though.

 

I did ask some of bigger National Dealers and their responses probably wouldn't be agreeable as you would think.

 

But you can ask them as well.

 

Who did you ask?

 

My guess is the Rick acquires and sells more big books than a lot of them in a given year.......

 

Wrong guess then.

 

outside of metro, did any dealer you talk to sell (over past 18 months or so)

3 action 1s

2 tec 27's

2 superman 1

1 batman 1

1 captain America 1

24 copies of af15 oops. only sold 17 copies...(bought 24)...my bad

8 copies of All Star 8

30 copies of ST 110

96 copies of hulk 181

1 copy of action 7

2 copies of tec 31

 

and those are just the "highlights"

 

if not, I would say his guess (at least for last year) is very correct

 

Impressive sales figures Gator. I'm still bummed we couldn't work out a deal on that low grade Tec 27.

 

By the way, Greg mentioned he's only come up on one raw, 3.0-ish AF 15 in the last year.

 

How many of those 24 copies that you acquired were raw?

 

-J.

I believe only 5-7 were "new" raw copies...others were obtained already graded

[Jaydogrules]

"Verifiable and Quantifiable":

5) Reputable Dealer Reports

 

You have at least one. Telling you you're wrong and that there are at least 10k copies or more out there.

 

We have not had any National Dealer make any posts yet in this thread.

 

 

 

Dale Roberts and Greg Reece are "national" dealers

 

and I've averaged over 20 AF15 purchases and sales a year across the nation, even if I don't fit the "national" dealer mantra

 

Yes I forgot Greg did answer, didn't see Dale's though.

 

I did ask some of bigger National Dealers and their responses probably wouldn't be agreeable as you would think.

 

But you can ask them as well.

 

Who did you ask?

 

My guess is the Rick acquires and sells more big books than a lot of them in a given year.......

 

Wrong guess then.

 

outside of metro, did any dealer you talk to sell (over past 18 months or so)

3 action 1s

2 tec 27's

2 superman 1

1 batman 1

1 captain America 1

24 copies of af15 oops. only sold 17 copies...(bought 24)...my bad

8 copies of All Star 8

30 copies of ST 110

96 copies of hulk 181

1 copy of action 7

2 copies of tec 31

 

and those are just the "highlights"

 

if not, I would say his guess (at least for last year) is very correct

 

Impressive sales figures Gator. I'm still bummed we couldn't work out a deal on that low grade Tec 27.

 

By the way, Greg mentioned he's only come up on one raw, 3.0-ish AF 15 in the last year.

 

How many of those 24 copies that you acquired were raw?

 

-J.

I believe only 5-7 were "new" raw copies...others were obtained already graded

 

(thumbs u

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

"Verifiable and Quantifiable":

5) Reputable Dealer Reports

 

You have at least one. Telling you you're wrong and that there are at least 10k copies or more out there.

 

We have not had any National Dealer make any posts yet in this thread.

 

 

 

Dale Roberts and Greg Reece are "national" dealers

 

and I've averaged over 20 AF15 purchases and sales a year across the nation, even if I don't fit the "national" dealer mantra

 

Yes I forgot Greg did answer, didn't see Dale's though.

 

I did ask some of bigger National Dealers and their responses probably wouldn't be agreeable as you would think.

 

But you can ask them as well.

 

Who did you ask?

 

My guess is the Rick acquires and sells more big books than a lot of them in a given year.......

 

Wrong guess then.

 

outside of metro, did any dealer you talk to sell (over past 18 months or so)

3 action 1s

2 tec 27's

2 superman 1

1 batman 1

1 captain America 1

24 copies of af15 oops. only sold 17 copies...(bought 24)...my bad

8 copies of All Star 8

30 copies of ST 110

96 copies of hulk 181

1 copy of action 7

2 copies of tec 31

 

and those are just the "highlights"

 

if not, I would say his guess (at least for last year) is very correct

 

Impressive sales figures Gator. I'm still bummed we couldn't work out a deal on that low grade Tec 27.

 

By the way, Greg mentioned he's only come up on one raw, 3.0-ish AF 15 in the last year.

 

How many of those 24 copies that you acquired were raw?

 

-J.

 

If Greg Reece's Rare Comics doesn't have a copy, does that mean it's not rare, or that there are zero in existence?

 

I dunno. What does the census say...?

 

[thunsicker]

Rick I am always having fun.

 

Now my day as an Eagles fan not so much!

I watched that fan's rant on youtube... still laughing...

 

I feel for you, but you could be like me, a Vikings fan

 

There are Vikings fans? Learn something new every day.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

[Topnotchman]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

[Jaydogrules]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Topnotchman]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

There can only be one winner and first place goes to over 22,721.

[Jaydogrules]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

There can only be one winner and first place goes to over 22,721.

 

I don't think this particular kind of poll can (or should) be viewed that way.

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out, yet 53 people voted for that range.

 

There are reasonable estimates, and there are unreasonable estimates.

 

Reasonable estimates are educated estimates, based on experience and observation.

 

For example: astrophysicists estimate the mass of the sun by calculating the distance of the earth to the sun, the length of the year, and the gravitational constant, incorporating what we know about nuclear fusion, the density of hydrogen, observable energy loss, etc.

 

It is, therefore, reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of about 1.989 Nonillion (30 zeroes) kilograms. This, of course, is an estimate, and not precise. We can't get out a giant scale, after all, and "weigh" the sun.

 

But it's close.

 

It is not reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of "a million billion pounds!" because that wouldn't be anywhere close, even though that sounds like a lot to the uneducated.

[Jaydogrules]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

Your math is off a bit.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out.

 

There are reasonable estimates, and there are unreasonable estimates.

 

Reasonable estimates are educated estimates, based on experience and observation.

 

For example: astrophysicists estimate the mass of the sun by calculating the distance of the earth to the sun, the length of the year, and the gravitational constant, incorporating what we know about nuclear fusion, the density of hydrogen, observable energy loss, etc.

 

It is, therefore, reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of about 1.989 Nonillion (30 zeroes) kilograms. This, of course, is an estimate, and not precise. We can't get out a giant scale, after all, and "weigh" the sun.

 

But it's close.

 

It is not reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of "a million billion pounds!" because that wouldn't be anywhere close, even though that sounds like a lot to the uneducated.

 

Pardon me, the exact number being 53.41614907%. (thumbs u

 

And I agree that an "estimate" of 20k+ copies still existing in the raw is absurdly and unreasonably high and is based on nothing tangible or intangible.

 

-J.

[BarryAllen]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

Your math is off a bit.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out.

 

There are reasonable estimates, and there are unreasonable estimates.

 

Reasonable estimates are educated estimates, based on experience and observation.

 

For example: astrophysicists estimate the mass of the sun by calculating the distance of the earth to the sun, the length of the year, and the gravitational constant, incorporating what we know about nuclear fusion, the density of hydrogen, observable energy loss, etc.

 

It is, therefore, reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of about 1.989 Nonillion (30 zeroes) kilograms. This, of course, is an estimate, and not precise. We can't get out a giant scale, after all, and "weigh" the sun.

 

But it's close.

 

It is not reasonable to conclude that the sun has a mass of "a million billion pounds!" because that wouldn't be anywhere close, even though that sounds like a lot to the uneducated.

 

What do you do for a living? Your references and examples are extremely diverse (I like this one assuming it is accurate - I have no idea).

 

Side note - is the poll itself, regardless of the outcome, not a good market estimate? It is created solely by members of the boards. Or are only a few opinions of the boards credible and if so how am I to know who is credible or not?

[Topnotchman]

Photo Journal guide to comics has a chart on page a-6 with estimated copies still in existence today. The year 1961 is 10% while 1964 is 20% making 1963 around 15%. With a 150K print run that would put it around 22,500. I feel that is an accurate estimated survival rate.

[BarryAllen]

Photo Journal guide to comics has a chart on page a-6 with estimated copies still in existence today. The year 1961 is 10% while 1964 is 20% making 1963 around 15%. With a 150K print run that would put it around 22,500. I feel that is an accurate estimated survival rate.

 

No data or data sources in here.

 

 

Opinions and speculation only please.

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

Pardon me, the exact number being 53.41614907%. (thumbs u

 

I edited out that comment, because upon review, it was close enough.

 

And I agree that an "estimate" of 20k+ copies still existing in the raw is absurdly and unreasonably high and is based on nothing tangible or intangible.

 

-J.

 

Nothing tangible or intangible is nothing at all.

 

Why do you believe it is "absurdly and unreasonably high", not taking the census into consideration (because it's already been shown why the census isn't at all reliable in these types of calculations)?

 

What do you base such an estimate being "absurd and unreasonable" on?

 

Is your answer, not considering the census, simply "because you say so"...?

 

 

[ttfitz]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out, yet 53 people voted for that range.

 

The problem with the math there isn't with how reasonable the estimates are, but with the grouping that was done. I doubt Jaydogrules would accept as a statistic that over 2/3s of the votes were over 9,000 as having any validity as a measure of the poll, but it is absolutely true (67% as of right now).

 

It all depends on where you put the 9-11,000 votes, as that's a big chunk of the vote.

[Jaydogrules]

Whokings...?

 

:shrug:

 

We call them ViQueens around here...

 

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out, yet 53 people voted for that range.

 

The problem with the math there isn't with how reasonable the estimates are, but with the grouping that was done. I doubt Jaydogrules would accept as a statistic that over 2/3s of the votes were over 9,000 as having any validity as a measure of the poll, but it is absolutely true (67% as of right now).

 

It all depends on where you put the 9-11,000 votes, as that's a big chunk of the vote.

 

What I said is accurate. Nearly 55% have it at around 11k or less. Not that the poll means anything or carries any weight, but that's where it is at the moment.

 

-J.

[RockMyAmadeus]

The only thing blind polls tell you is the general mood of the section of people who bothered to vote.

 

Otherwise, it is statistically useless for this sort of thing, as literally anyone, from the most experienced dealer who has specialized in AF #15 for 40 years, to my mother, who knows nothing about comics, can vote, and both votes have the same weight.

[ttfitz]

Also noticed the poll is leading away with over 22,791 estimate.

 

And 55% of respondents estimate about 11k or less. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

It is not within the realm of reason to suggest that there are 9,000 or fewer total copies in existence, for all the reasons already laid out, yet 53 people voted for that range.

 

The problem with the math there isn't with how reasonable the estimates are, but with the grouping that was done. I doubt Jaydogrules would accept as a statistic that over 2/3s of the votes were over 9,000 as having any validity as a measure of the poll, but it is absolutely true (67% as of right now).

 

It all depends on where you put the 9-11,000 votes, as that's a big chunk of the vote.

 

What I said is accurate. Nearly 55% have it at around 11k or less. Not that the poll means anything or carries any weight, but that's where it is at the moment.

 

-J.

 

Didn't say it wasn't accurate, just that it was twisted to suit your viewpoint. It is also accurate to say over 2/3s think it's over 9,000, which also doesn't say much about the result of the poll, because there is 20% of the votes between the 9000 and 11000 mark.