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[thehumantorch]

no worries here. as far as I know, it's yours Timmay :thumbsup:

 

thanks Mike

 

There goes this evening's entertainment.

 

 

Unless the seller wishes to take the higher offer....

[mdean2437]

Ok Well this is my mistake then. I honestly thought on this board the 1st unconditional "i'll take it" wins. My apologies to all invoved if that is not how it works.

[HarveySwick]

Anyone want to revisit the discussion about coming up with a templated "Standard Rules" so it could be posted for all to see and understand?

[seanfingh]

Anyone want to revisit the discussion about coming up with a templated "Standard Rules" so it could be posted for all to see and understand?

 

No. But I would like to discuss a template for salary, sexual conquests, inches and scenarios where grammar is important.

[KPR Comics]

Just wondering, but if you can say "take it, pending scans", how is that any different than saying "take it, pending whether I later decide to take it" absent a Seller's rule to the contrary.

[Sqeggs]

Ok Well this is my mistake then. I honestly thought on this board the 1st unconditional "i'll take it" wins. My apologies to all invoved if that is not how it works.

 

There are some ambiguities in the process. I think, though, that once a seller agrees to accept a buyer's terms, then the seller can't (or shouldn't) back out if someone subsequently posts an "unconditional take it."

 

In this case, the buyer did seem to have some terms with respect to shipping and seeing scans, but you appeared to accept those terms in your PM exchange.

 

Maybe the safest course if you are uncertain about whether you want to accept a buyer's offer is to be explicit that you need time to think the offer over and that you plan to accept an unconditional take it should anyone post one in the mean time. The commonly used "A in the thread or by PM trumps any ongoing PM negotiations" can cover this. My

[seanfingh]

Just wondering, but if you can say "take it, pending scans", how is that any different than saying "take it, pending whether I later decide to take it" absent a Seller's rule to the contrary.

 

If a Seller allows it, it should be fine. I always say in my threads that first deal in time wins, so if you want to wait, you bear the risk. I think that is fairer than having the seller bear the risk of an unconditional I'll Take It having to wait for a conditional one. But that is me.

[wombat]

I'm still confused about the scans. Could they have negated the sale if the buyer didn't like them?

[comix4fun]

Just wondering, but if you can say "take it, pending scans", how is that any different than saying "take it, pending whether I later decide to take it" absent a Seller's rule to the contrary.

 

If a Seller allows it, it should be fine. I always say in my threads that first deal in time wins, so if you want to wait, you bear the risk. I think that is fairer than having the seller bear the risk of an unconditional I'll Take It having to wait for a conditional one. But that is me.

 

True,

 

It's on the seller. If they accept a conditional deal they have to ride out the conditions before accepting an unconditional offer. They'd have to specifically tell the party making conditional offer that if an unconditional offer comes in they are out. Absent that, the seller's acceptance of the conditional deal is binding.

 

 

[seanfingh]

I'm still confused about the scans. Could they have negated the sale if the buyer didn't like them?

 

Yes. The issue is the fact that the Seller made a deal with a conditional out for the Buyer. Similar to buying a home, but making it conditional upon an insect or whole house inspection. Both parties are bound, and a complete agreement has been reached, but the buyer has an out if certain conditions (satisfactory scans) are not met.

[wombat]

I see what you guys are saying. Obviously better rules in the thread would have prevented this.

[comix4fun]

I see what you guys are saying. Obviously better rules in the thread would have prevented this.

 

That's the best course of action. A fair, clear and balanced set of sales rules that aren't vague or simply vague enough to let a seller do whatever he feels and leaves buyers wondering what happened ( as we've seen in the sales forum several times now).

 

Even without clearer rules, some very specific communication between the parties would let everyone know what the expectations were across the board.

 

If the seller wants his options left open he just has to say so as part of his agreement with the buyer.

 

I am glad that everyone in this situation handled it like mature, fair-minded, adults.

 

We don't see that often here.

[HighRadArt]

I see what you guys are saying. Obviously better rules in the thread would have prevented this.

 

Actually, it doesn't. You can list a mountain of rules but as a seller you'll eventually run into someone that isn't happy. Which is why I don't see a set of more rules making a difference. In this case it looks like the parties involved worked it out (provided the buyer likes the scans) which is what this thread is for.

[Transplant]

I am glad that everyone in this situation handled it like mature, fair-minded, adults.

 

We don't see that often here.

It's pretty disappointing actually.

[comix4fun]

I am glad that everyone in this situation handled it like mature, fair-minded, adults.

 

We don't see that often here.

It's pretty disappointing actually.

 

 

That's a given.

[greggy]

It would be a lot easier if you dumbazz sellers would actually have scans ready before they list a book.

 

xoxo

 

greggy

[skinny_white_boy]

It's more entertaining this way.

[DR.X]

It would be a lot easier if you dumbazz sellers would actually have scans ready before they list a book.

 

+1

 

The Master of the Universe has spoken.

[revat]

It would be a lot easier if you dumbazz sellers would actually have scans ready before they list a book.

 

xoxo

 

greggy

 

I know you're joking (probably), but I always wonder about it. Unless you plan to NOT SCAN anything that doesn't pre-sell, I'm not sure what the point is. You have to scan anything. Other than maybe to drum up interest? But I feel like you're more likely to get someone turned off by that method who doesn't come back than you are an early sale.

 

To me, a lot of purchases are made in a somewhat impulsive way, "oh snap that's purty, I gotta have it. Oh I bought this one? I should probably buy these 2 also to save on shipping"

 

Instead its "The price might be ok, but I have to wait two days for the picture, then after looking at the picture, then I have to check back to the first page for the price again (because they can't possibly list the price with the picture), and by then these other comics I might have bought at the same time are gone. Eff it, I'll pass for now, and check back later. Or not." Then if something sits for those 2 days waiting for the pic other people start questioning the price, etc. Its not the hardest thing ever, but I would just think I would try to make it as easy as possible for a potential shopper in my store.

 

I do understand there are occasionally inventory space and cash concerns that make an ultra quick sale more preferable, I'm not sure it makes sense to presell sans pics/scans in most cases.

 

Of course sellers are welcome to employ whatever strategies they like, provided they follow the rules.

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2015 by Revat

[PovertyRow]

It would be a lot easier if you dumbazz sellers would actually have scans ready before they list a book.

 

xoxo

 

greggy

 

That would solve a lot. I was going to suggest that the seller be sure, when in PM negotiations and they have laid out the rule about "Takeit Trumps All", that they reinforce this in their PM negotiations. Something like "Please be aware that if a Takeit is posted in the thread before we complete the negotiations I am obliged to sell to that person."

 

BUT if they do not have scans ready and need time to make them and send them, then that opens up the possibility of a "stall tactic" accusation (delaying the scans and thus delaying the PM negotiation).

 

Definitely better to have scans not only ready but also posted in the thread.