BeachBum Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) So some artist got in Jim's ear and he decided to start charging for Sigs being slabbed... Then he forgot to get the money from a customer getting the Sigs from him at his own artist table. Isn't this Jim's mistake in the first place? I know the simplest thing would be for the CSR at the CGC booth to hand over some cash (how much per Sig anyway?) but Jim forgot to complete the transaction at his own booth. Edited May 17, 2017 by BeachBum AmazingSpider-Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadleg Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Chuck Gower said: And it just got worse... From the Facebook page of Jim Starlin: MY FELLOW FREELANCERS, if any of you have ever had trouble with CGC at a convention and want to do something about it, feel free to copy and paste this letter from a lawyer that Spencer Beck provided. Sign your name and send it via certified mail to CGC. May 16, 2017 CGC PO Box 4738 Sarasota, FL 34230 Attn: Chief Executive Officer Dear Sirs: Effective immediately, please cease and desist from using my name in any marketing, promotional or other materials. Please also do not use my name to solicit business for your company or in any way to advance your own commercial interests/profits. My name is valuable to me and I do not authorize you to use it in commerce. Additionally, I no longer wish to be involved with your “Signature Series” and do not authorize or consent to someone employed, affiliated or related to your company (or an independent contractor working in any manner related to your company) from witnessing my signatures. I ask that you instruct your employees not to act as a witness and to identify themselves to me as I will not sign items if I understand they are to be verified by CGC or made part of your Signature Series. I would also appreciate it if this was noted on your website as well so my fans are not disappointed. Thank you for your prompt attention and understanding. I wonder if anyone else is going to sign this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Logan510 said: I think people would do well to remember that all a creator "owes" us as fans, is the best work they are capable of doing at the time they're doing it. Everything else is gravy Yeah...And a lot of these creators would prefer to talk about whatever it is that they're working on NOW, as opposed to stuff they did 40 years ago that they may not even be making money from now... F For Fake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, deadleg said: I wonder if anyone else is going to sign this. I saw Dan Brereton tell him thank you 'for this' in the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 hours ago, prez said: I wonder if this will result to CGC refusing to grade books associated to Jim Starlin? Why would they do that? They are in the business of making money. greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan510 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chuck Gower said: Yeah...And a lot of these creators would prefer to talk about whatever it is that they're working on NOW, as opposed to stuff they did 40 years ago that they may not even be making money from now... I have not personally experienced this. The biggest charge I've seen artists get when I've brought stuff to get signed ( not slabbed), is when I've brought something of theirs that isn't super common such as fanzine work or when I've asked for them to personalize the signature to me. YMMV of course 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Someone mentioned Mark Waid responding well and I had a similar experience with him. I loved his pre-Heroes Reborn Captain American run and mentioned a specific scene to him (Cap jumps out of plane without parachute and Waid wrote him twisting and turning from the wind in the fall) and he got that big grin on his face and thanked me for it. Same with Michael Lark when I told him about Gotham Central when Montoya takes it outside with Corrigan and I had the most visceral reaction to a comic ever, heart pounding and feeling light-headed as they fought it out. I used to collect sketches a lot more than I do now and many guys wouldn't draw but once I bought a book off the table they were happy to add a sig and small sketch. Eddie Campbell and Eric Shanower come immediately to mind. Treat the creators well, show them why you are there and good things happen. I recall being #4 in line (out of 10) for a Walt Simonson head sketch. As he drew for guy number one we stood there watching him in silence. Eventually I spoke up and engaged him and Louise in conversation as he drew. He would stop occasionally and respond to me and even took out some photocopies of the Elric book he was working on. The guy getting the sketch truned to me and this exchange occurred "what number are you" "4" "EXACTLY" I shut up. Walt finished and the guy literally ran away to his next oppportunity. When it came my time I apologized to Walt and he and Weezie laughed and said the guy was very rude and that it was talking to the fans that they came for and that they were glad that someone was talking to them instead of everyone standing there watching silently. I see the guys point as it delayed his drawing a bit but was glad that the Simonsons saw that I was just a fan trying to express my love for Walt's work. Walt now recognizes me. For a while he would say "I'm not drawing for you, you got some already" and that was fine. I expect to have a nice time chatting with him at the Garden State show this summer and may even get a sketch in a hardcover. F For Fake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, BeachBum said: So some artist got in Jim's ear and he decided to start charging for Sigs being slabbed... Then he forgot to get the money from a customer getting the Sigs from him at his own artist table. Isn't this Jim's mistake in the first place? I know the simplest thing would be for the CSR at the CGC booth to hand over some cash (how much per Sig anyway?) but Jim forgot to complete the transaction at his own booth. +1 ---is that simple, he didn't like being told it was his own fault Next appearance I know of his is in Irving Texas in July, but CGC isn't too be there so maybe it'll spare everyone a hassle. Honestly I can see the next fan asking him about CGC SS who isn't on these boards having a real uncomfortable encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Linguini Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Someone on facebook sent this to me.http://www.jimstarlin.com Edited May 17, 2017 by Jimmy Linguini fullerjason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, Jimmy Linguini said: Someone on facebook sent this to me.http://www.jimstarlin.com Someone is incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prez Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, jsilverjanet said: Why would they do that? They are in the business of making money. 1000% Very true. CGC would be more than happy to take your money. Starlin on the other hand doesn't care of the potential revenue he's loosing from CGC fanboys. Yet, he's the clown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seanfingh Posted May 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2017 31 minutes ago, prez said: 1000% Very true. CGC would be more than happy to take your money. Starlin on the other hand doesn't care of the potential revenue he's loosing from CGC fanboys. Yet, he's the clown... You are coming across pretty strident. There are a lot of people in this thread making reasonable points and posting reasonable responses that have not resorted to name calling as it relates to Jim Starlin or to other posters. jsilverjanet, slym2none, fullerjason and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 36 minutes ago, prez said: 1000% Very true. CGC would be more than happy to take your money. Starlin on the other hand doesn't care of the potential revenue he's loosing from CGC fanboys. Yet, he's the clown... Your on the CGC website calling US cgc clowns? why? because were Fanboys of a service your obviously apart of??? fullerjason, deadleg and RockMyAmadeus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 based on our avatars, the only "clown" here is 1Cool F For Fake, Timmay, greggy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, prez said: 1000% Very true. CGC would be more than happy to take your money. Starlin on the other hand doesn't care of the potential revenue he's loosing from CGC fanboys. Yet, he's the clown... Your right!!! Starlin doesn't care about money sooooooooo much that even when he charges, he doesn't take the money and blames CGC........ Edited May 18, 2017 by ADAMANTIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, BeachBum said: So some artist got in Jim's ear and he decided to start charging for Sigs being slabbed... Then he forgot to get the money from a customer getting the Sigs from him at his own artist table. Isn't this Jim's mistake in the first place? I know the simplest thing would be for the CSR at the CGC booth to hand over some cash (how much per Sig anyway?) but Jim forgot to complete the transaction at his own booth. How's that working out for CGC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I'm no lawyer, but how can you dictate who "witnesses" something? Seems pretty stupid. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) It is not CGC responsibility to pay him during SS, every sig I've got I've paid the Artist and then paid CGC, it isn't CGC's fault that he didn't bother to get the money before signing.......!!! Could CGC have forgiven his newbness Soitenly !!!! But in the end I blame the clown Edited May 18, 2017 by ADAMANTIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 hours ago, prez said: I'll debate with people just not with you. Now, leave me alone... My apologies. I did not know I had offended you, or to what degree. I will, of course, honor your demand. Take care. Jeffro. and porcupine48 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Chuck Gower said: Well...I would say that... what Starlin did was create some of the coolest comics of the mid to late 70's... books that many people hold very near and dear, for nostalgic reasons... they were special, and it resonated because of it. He did it at a time when the money to do it wasn't much, especially for a freelancer... $15-20 a page... adjusted for inflation about $1769 a month on the high end, BEFORE TAXES... He did it for the love of doing comics, and I think that shows through, especially in that early work. And I think that was great for comics. No doubt. But he was paid for that work. He didn't do it for free. He was just doing his job, and, while doing a smashing job of it, didn't really do anything great "for the hobby." I just re-red SS #34-38, 40-43 (he didn't write #39), and it's STILL as awesome as it was to my 18 year old self the first time I red it. If, during the course of your work, you create art...that's really cool. But I dunno if I'd say it was "great for the hobby." Anyways, probably a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
