AVATAR 2 THE WAY OF WATER starring Sam Worthington (2022) 2 2

[TupennyConan]

On 11/27/2022 at 7:59 AM, Bosco685 said:

Why's that? 

I don't care for him. 

[TupennyConan]

I rewatched Fellowship & Two Towers this week for the first time in a long time. I've seen a lot of MCU since last watching them. I'm now of the opinion that LOTR was the CGI/VFX highwater mark, neither matched nor surpassed by anything since.   

[Bosco685]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:33 AM, TupennyConan said:

I don't care for him. 

I respect that.

I think what the reference point was concerning is it's his industry. So if he is so concerned with human rights, focus there as well versus what he feels is a more comfortable topic outside of his career.

[TupennyConan]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:38 AM, Bosco685 said:

I respect that.

I think what the reference point was concerning is it's his industry. So if he is so concerned with human rights, focus there as well versus what he feels is a more comfortable topic outside of his career.

Sure. All hands on deck. I wasn't addressing the merits of the subject at hand. I was simply disparaging Ruffalo & parading about my personal disdain for him. 

[Bosco685]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:41 AM, TupennyConan said:

Sure. All hands on deck. I wasn't addressing the merits of the subject at hand. I was simply disparaging Ruffalo & parading about my personal disdain for him. 

Right? Don Cheadle would fit this better.

 

[TupennyConan]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:44 AM, Bosco685 said:

Right? Don Cheadle would fit this better.

 

Oh yeah. I don't like him, either. 

[MetalPSI]

On 9/24/2022 at 8:51 AM, ▫️ said:

Avatar is the worst thing Cameron has ever done and he made Piranha II: The Spawning.

seriously?

[MetalPSI]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:37 AM, TupennyConan said:

I rewatched Fellowship & Two Towers this week for the first time in a long time. I've seen a lot of MCU since last watching them. I'm now of the opinion that LOTR was the CGI/VFX highwater mark, neither matched nor surpassed by anything since.   

It was incredibly well done and we are lucky the producers held on to their drawers and let Jackson go with it

[drotto]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:37 AM, TupennyConan said:

I rewatched Fellowship & Two Towers this week for the first time in a long time. I've seen a lot of MCU since last watching them. I'm now of the opinion that LOTR was the CGI/VFX highwater mark, neither matched nor surpassed by anything since.   

A surprising amount of those movies was practical effects and miniatures.  The major exception was Gollum, but those shots were almost hand painted frame for frame in the computer, so it was very labor intensive, but the amount of time, talent, and frankly love is clearly evident.  In most of the rest of the film CGI was reserved for thing that were just impossible to make without it, to fill in the gaps (like making the armies larger, or how mat paintings used to be used), or to clean things up.  It was never wholesale we will make the entire thing in front of green screens and the only real things are the actors and things they directly interact with. 

 

It holds up because they used all techniques available to them, and used what looked best at each step. There was none of this we can fix it in post with CGI mentality.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/27/2022 at 8:37 AM, TupennyConan said:

I rewatched Fellowship & Two Towers this week for the first time in a long time. I've seen a lot of MCU since last watching them. I'm now of the opinion that LOTR was the CGI/VFX highwater mark, neither matched nor surpassed by anything since.   

The Balrog still looks mint. I think that Snyder's VFX teams were able to emulate the realism that LotR offered, through most of his movies. LotR is much, much, much more practical effects than CBMs tho.

[TupennyConan]

On 11/28/2022 at 11:19 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

The Balrog still looks mint. I think that Snyder's VFX teams were able to emulate the realism that LotR offered, through most of his movies. LotR is much, much, much more practical effects than CBMs tho.

Agreed.

They cultivated the Shire long before filming. Today's films, like this Avatar sequel or Thor L&T, are greenscreen cartoons, Pixar films in disguise. 

The CGI talent needs the mega contracts, not the actors. All they know how to do is hire personal trainers. 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/28/2022 at 11:32 AM, TupennyConan said:

Agreed.

They cultivated the Shire long before filming. Today's films, like this Avatar sequel or Thor L&T, are greenscreen cartoons, Pixar films in disguise. 

The CGI talent needs the mega contracts, not the actors. All they know how to do is hire personal trainers. 

I give Black Adam rightful criticism for doing this sometimes.

Directors need at least some set pieces if they're going to use screens. VFX teams need something to stitch and blend with in the background for scale, etc. It's incredible what they did in Man of Steel with the Kryptonian suits.

I loved that JJ Abrams went back to practical effects for The Force Awakens (not sure about Episode 9).

As we know, easier is not always better.

[Axelrod]

On 11/27/2022 at 9:16 AM, MetalPSI said:

It was incredibly well done and we are lucky the producers held on to their drawers and let Jackson go with it

Counterpoint:  The Hobbit films....

On topic:  Avatar.  Looks like it will at least look good!

[RedRaven]

On 11/29/2022 at 8:08 AM, Axelrod said:

 

On topic:  Avatar.  Looks like it will at least look good!

Fernando approves. 

 

If the spectacle can be framed correctly, even a subjectively terrible movie can be enjoyed once. Viewing the Force Awakens on actual film and projected on a domed IMAX for instance. 

I look forward to Avatar but purely because my expectations are centered around the visual/audio experience with zero expectations for the characters and story. I am sure I will enjoy it once.

[media_junkie]

On 11/29/2022 at 9:08 AM, Axelrod said:

Counterpoint:  The Hobbit films....

On topic:  Avatar.  Looks like it will at least look good!

Yeah but wasn't the Hobbit more of the studios doing?  They demanded a trilogy from a 300ish (kids) book.  Plus the original director dropped out forcing Jackson to step in at the last minute.  

Lots of things were wrong with the Hobbit movies but it can't all be put on Jackson.

[Axelrod]

On 11/29/2022 at 2:51 PM, media_junkie said:

Yeah but wasn't the Hobbit more of the studios doing?  They demanded a trilogy from a 300ish (kids) book.  Plus the original director dropped out forcing Jackson to step in at the last minute.  

Lots of things were wrong with the Hobbit movies but it can't all be put on Jackson.

Well, I don't actually know what was Jackson's decision and what wasn't.  I was more responding to the original poster's suggestion that the reason for the success of the original LOR trilogy was the producers getting out of Jackson's way and letting him do what he wanted.  And it seemed like the Hobbit films were a case study in excess run wild, which could have used someone reigning someone in.  

They made a billion dollars each though, so, who's to really say they were wrong to do it that way, regardless of what we might think of them now.  

[media_junkie]

On 11/29/2022 at 3:02 PM, Axelrod said:

 

They made a billion dollars each though, so, who's to really say they were wrong to do it that way, regardless of what we might think of them now.  

Exactly, for as bad as they were they made the studio massive dollars.

[D84]

I saw the trailer in the theater yesterday and kept wanting to grab my Playstation controller.

Edited December 4, 2022 by D84

[Bosco685]

It does feel like people want to force themselves to dislike this movie. Any way they can.

But now with the Disney Marketing beast behind this, it will be interesting to see where it can take the film.

[Cat]

On 12/5/2022 at 1:58 AM, Bosco685 said:

It does feel like people want to force themselves to dislike this movie. Any way they can.

But now with the Disney Marketing beast behind this, it will be interesting to see where it can take the film.

I don't need to force myself to dislike this movie. The first one did it for me. I fell asleep during the first one when they were learning to fly. My girlfriend woke me up and they were still learning to fly, and I'd been asleep for a while. She only woke me because I started snoring in the cinema.