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Need advice on a sale that is going sideways
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Jordysnordy

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38 minutes ago, Wall-Crawler said:

So, basically, this boardie is now holding your books (that you sent in good faith), hostage.

Nice.

He is also turning a rather annoying process into a much bigger issue than it needs to be...The "buyer" backed out, it sucks, but hey it happens, so send the books back, get a refund. Simple.

This is completely unacceptable.  I'm starting to wonder if the "broker" even has a "friend" and that the "wife" is likely his wife maybe? Regardless, this unknown boardie is acting like a complete a-hole.

That’s the sad story in a nutshell. I can maybe see his side as to being scared that I won’t refund him but I told him to check my Kudos and he will see that I’m a straight shooter. 

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36 minutes ago, F For Fake said:

I'm pretty sure there's no "friend" involved here. This turd had buyer's remorse, or he's trying to get the books "lost" and hold onto them for himself. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. You've gone above and beyond to be a good seller and good person,and your rep is gold. At this point you have nothing to lose in outing this loser, who I know we will all want to avoid.

When the books are safely received my me or Randall you will all know who to avoid. I have been in touch with one of the PL leaders of the boards and he is guiding me through this mess.

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Anonymity is a wonderful thing 

 
It’s amazing the things people will say and do when they think it can’t be traced back to them. 
 
I know that some often feel real reluctant to out the other party in a situation like this, fearing the other party will feel the ‘have nothing to lose’ and the situation will degenerate to worst-case scenario. Essentially, their anonymity becomes a bargaining chip, a carrot that will hopefully motivate them to do the right thing. 
 
However, from what I’ve seen and experienced, allowing a problem member to retain their anonymity can cut the other way as well:  it enables them to continue their bad behavior and results in these situations becoming even more protracted. 
 
The PL process here may not be perfect, but I always find it interesting how quickly most  of these “impossible” situations get resolved once the the problem member simply gets named in the PL thread. 
 
You’ve offered a viable solution that is pretty much a win-win for everybody. True, he’ll be out the cost of shipping to the next party, but that cost is far less than the cost of the books. And since he is responsible for creating this situation, that minor cost seams only fair. 
 
His response to your proposal - calling into question your honesty and integrity while at the same time holding the books hostage to leverage a further discount on already generously priced books (which he supposedly can’t afford) - is not “good-faith” behavior. 
 
I know you mentioned earlier that you wanted to wait to put him on the PL in the event that he files a PayPal claim/refuses the package. 
 
My suggestion - if you don’t mind - is that you need to put your foot down now. 
 
He has 12 hours to a) accept your proposed solution b) keep the books and deal with liquidating them himself. Any further waffling or action on his part (such as filing with PayPal) will result in his being outed here.  You’re integrity/reputation is NOT the issue here. 
 
Of course, if you feel him remaining anonymous will help you in resolving the situation, by all means do what you need to do. 
 

However, it’s quite likely that he is aware of this thread and the Board sentiment regarding his behavior. The fact that knowing this and yet feels emboldened to persist in this ingrate behavior suggests to me that allowing him to retain his anonymity is having the opposite affect. 

 
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Where is the middle man located? While it's pretty obvious that the last thing this problem needs is more people involved, maybe some reputable boardie lives in his area and might facilitate in some way? Meet the guy at the post office with the refund check or something? Grabbing at straws here but it might help, unless the middleman is committed to his scam.

Also, the fact that you were selling for half price gives the middleman plenty of room for markup, increasing the likelihood of that scenario as well as really cementing his role as the responsible party (unless it was a bunch run filler dollar books that OSP sees as ten dollar each, in which case the $675 was probably fair).

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After seeing the messages between you two, and him being a non commital half a scam artist, I would also start pushing back.  The "I will have to think about this" would be the last straw. And how long has he had the package?  At a certain point, it must be considered his, and out of the postal service's hands.  As in not being able to refuse delivery.  That ship must have sailed by now. You have more patience with him than I would have had.  I would only think this would enhance your reputation on this board. 

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I'm not saying that PayPal wouldn't refund him, stranger things have happened, but with all your saved communications, I just cannot fathom PP refunding this guy unless he returns the books to you. In my opinion, and I know that others are only trying to help and bless them for it, getting the books back to you should be priority one.
I don't think you should even consider another middle man approach. You've done your part and you have conversations directly stating the buyers ill-intent. Let him force a PP dispute without returning the books to you.. I don't think he will get very far.

I'm sorry this is happening to you, Jeff.
Imo, this transaction is quickly surpassing the Probation List and is now bordering on Hall Of Shame worthiness.

 

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I’ve bought books for friends on the boards before that the friend ended up not wanting. Not in the way of $600+ dollars (id NEVER)spend that type of money for a friend without them giving it to me first...ESPECIALLY if that was my rent money. What is this guy thinking??) but when my friend said NVM it was definitely an eye roller but I never thought about trying to return the book because I knew it was my problem and not the sellers. That deal ended when I paid for the books and received them. 

That’s awesome of Randall to step in...good luck in this situation Jordysnordy. I sincerely hope this “middle man” gets his head out of his rear end and comes to terms with the error of his ways and stops pouting. 

 

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38 minutes ago, punksdropdirtysrh said:

What is this guy thinking??

He is too busy telling lies to think. 

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4 hours ago, Spidey 62 said:

After seeing the messages between you two, and him being a non commital half a scam artist, I would also start pushing back.  The "I will have to think about this" would be the last straw. And how long has he had the package?  At a certain point, it must be considered his, and out of the postal service's hands.  As in not being able to refuse delivery.  That ship must have sailed by now. You have more patience with him than I would have had.  I would only think this would enhance your reputation on this board. 

I was just thinking that.

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so the middleman is scared that the OP is shady? and therefore is hesitant to return without a refund first?  even though he's done all the shady stuff so far?

this sounds veerrryyyy scammy.  We've got a middleman who can't make rent (but could loan a friend $600) who's friends with another dude who can't make rent buying $600 worth of comics from Canada.  How plausible is that vs. a scam?  If you're the kind of person who can't make rent but can loan your buddy $600 for comics, then you are a dumbmothertrucker of epic proportions. 

If the middleman is legit and cares about his standing here, he should just pay for the whole thing to be shipped back to Canada, and upon arrival throw the seller a restocking fee (negotiated) and charge his buddy the return shipping and restocking fee, which shouldn't be more than like $75-85 total, which can be paid back over time if necessary, without a crippling loss to either party.  Neither of those dudes should sack their friendship over $75, although probably neither of those dudes should have friends.

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23 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:
6 hours ago, october said:

I would like to know who this person is so that I can avoid dealing with him. Ridiculous transaction. 

Exactly... I'm starting to get fatigue from this thread... just out them already...

The fact that they haven’t come here themselves to offer their side of the story, despite almost certainly knowing about this thread, speaks volumes. 

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