oakman29 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 6:26 AM, rsouxlja7 said: Thinking about letting go of my 8.5 first print. Before doing so I was just curious what you guys think could happen to the price of that book within the next 5 years. I never thought it'd get to the price it's at today but here we are. I don't need the money but would roll it into stock investments if I did sell. I would hold onto it. sorrenmj and rsouxlja7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMNT Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 9:26 AM, rsouxlja7 said: Thinking about letting go of my 8.5 first print. Before doing so I was just curious what you guys think could happen to the price of that book within the next 5 years. I never thought it'd get to the price it's at today but here we are. I don't need the money but would roll it into stock investments if I did sell. Nobody knows the future of course. But for what it's worth, the book has always gone up in value ever since 84. Not explosively so as everything has lately during covid, but its always gone up. Gazoony, sorrenmj and rsouxlja7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post valiantman Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 10:37 AM, TMNT said: On 12/2/2021 at 8:26 AM, rsouxlja7 said: Thinking about letting go of my 8.5 first print. Before doing so I was just curious what you guys think could happen to the price of that book within the next 5 years. I never thought it'd get to the price it's at today but here we are. I don't need the money but would roll it into stock investments if I did sell. Nobody knows the future of course. But for what it's worth, the book has always gone up in value ever since 84. Not explosively so as everything has lately during covid, but its always gone up. TMNT #1 is the Copper Age equivalent of Amazing Fantasy #15, except that TMNT #1 has fewer copies in existence than AF #15. TMNT #1 is 37 years old now, AF #15 turned 37 years old in 1999. CGC 8.5 AF #15 sold for $19,200 when it was 40 years old, CGC TMNT #1 sold for $30,000 when it was 37 years old. CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 is currently one of the top 500 grades on the CGC Census for the book (8.5 or higher). The top 500 grades for Amazing Fantasy #15 are CGC 6.0 or higher. CGC 6.0 Amazing Fantasy #15 most recently sold for $84,000. Do you need the money now? If not, it's entirely possible that CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 today is similar to having a CGC 6.0 to CGC 8.5 Amazing Fantasy #15 twenty years ago. tvindy, rsouxlja7, Weird and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsouxlja7 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Thanks everyone. I am going to hold onto it. As I try to move money out of my collectables and into other assets it has becoming increasingly difficult to determine which to part with and which to hold onto. On 12/3/2021 at 11:16 AM, valiantman said: TMNT #1 is the Copper Age equivalent of Amazing Fantasy #15, except that TMNT #1 has fewer copies in existence than AF #15. TMNT #1 is 37 years old now, AF #15 turned 37 years old in 1999. CGC 8.5 AF #15 sold for $19,200 when it was 40 years old, CGC TMNT #1 sold for $30,000 when it was 37 years old. CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 is currently one of the top 500 grades on the CGC Census for the book (8.5 or higher). The top 500 grades for Amazing Fantasy #15 are CGC 6.0 or higher. CGC 6.0 Amazing Fantasy #15 most recently sold for $84,000. Do you need the money now? If not, it's entirely possible that CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 today is similar to having a CGC 6.0 to CGC 8.5 Amazing Fantasy #15 twenty years ago. This is really good perspective that I hadn't thought of. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) On 12/3/2021 at 3:33 PM, rsouxlja7 said: Thanks everyone. I am going to hold onto it. As I try to move money out of my collectables and into other assets it has becoming increasingly difficult to determine which to part with and which to hold onto. This is really good perspective that I hadn't thought of. Thanks. Since you said that if you sold it, you would put the money into stocks, another thing to consider is that the performance of the S&P 500 since 2002 (the year AF #15 sold for $19,200) has pretty much kept up with AF #15. AF #15 has more than quadrupled, and so has the S&P 500. Edited December 3, 2021 by tvindy Icculus308win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsouxlja7 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 12:54 PM, tvindy said: Since you said that if you sold it, you would put the money into stocks, another thing to consider is that the performance of the S&P 500 since 2002 (the year AF #15 sold for $19,200) has pretty much kept up with AF #15. AF #15 has more than quadrupled, and so has the S&P 500. Right, I'd be putting the money into the S&P if I sold it. Just to give more information: over the next 5ish years I plan to sell all of my comics except for a few keepers but on the chopping block I have the following: Movie speculation - FF5, X-Men 1, Hulk 181s, GSX1s Runs I was collecting - ASM1 through ASM15 Stuff I bought with collections but just never sold - this would be where the TMNT1 falls along with DD1, Avengers 1 & 4, and some other stuff I only want to sell a certain portion each year so now I am just trying to time the market on when and what to sell basically. ghn999, tvindy and Gazoony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghn999 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Keeping my 7 tmnt 1st prints for my daughter future! Hopefully it goes over in price. rsouxlja7 and ADAMANTIUM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 7:25 AM, Ryan. said: Unless it helps the final price since the major defect is hidden on the interior. Bingo Good luck finding a nicer presenting 8.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subby1938 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) On 12/3/2021 at 12:16 PM, valiantman said: TMNT #1 is the Copper Age equivalent of Amazing Fantasy #15, except that TMNT #1 has fewer copies in existence than AF #15. TMNT #1 is 37 years old now, AF #15 turned 37 years old in 1999. CGC 8.5 AF #15 sold for $19,200 when it was 40 years old, CGC TMNT #1 sold for $30,000 when it was 37 years old. CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 is currently one of the top 500 grades on the CGC Census for the book (8.5 or higher). The top 500 grades for Amazing Fantasy #15 are CGC 6.0 or higher. CGC 6.0 Amazing Fantasy #15 most recently sold for $84,000. Do you need the money now? If not, it's entirely possible that CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 today is similar to having a CGC 6.0 to CGC 8.5 Amazing Fantasy #15 twenty years ago. Except the part where Spiderman is the biggest character in comics and always will have staying power the turtle book two years ago in 9.0 was 5K. It went up abnormally as did many others we don’t know what the fallout is going to be just yet . It’s a cool book but I don’t see turtles popularity today as I did when I was kid in 80s and early 90s. That success is long gone . Is rarity dictating price? Not sure . It’s a cool book I just have hard time seeing you compare them to Spiderman who’s is the absolute top of the mountain when it comes to comics and always will be . Edited December 4, 2021 by Subby1938 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoony Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 9:43 PM, Subby1938 said: Except the part where Spiderman is the biggest character in comics and always will have staying power the turtle book two years ago in 9.0 was 5K. It went up abnormally as did many others we don’t know what the fallout is going to be just yet . It’s a cool book but I don’t see turtles popularity today as I did when I was kid in 80s and early 90s. That success is long gone . Is rarity dictating price? Not sure . It’s a cool book I just have hard time seeing you compare them to Spiderman who’s is the absolute top of the mountain when it comes to comics and always will be . I think it's a pretty fair comparison, considering where they are in their life cycle. Do I think TMNT #1 will get to AF 15 prices? Probably not but it's still the biggest Copper Age book out there, with a small print run and many collectors (like myself) that will never sell their copies. I think the demand will always be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I won't pretend that the Turtles are anywhere near as popular as Spider-Man but these boards tend to overemphasize the cultural weight of movies. The TMNT merchandise machine is humming along as strong as ever, particularly in the collectible action figure hobby, which is huge but often overlooked by comics collectors. TMNT might be THE number one IP for action figure collectors. Miamiknight3434 and Gazoony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 9:43 PM, Subby1938 said: On 12/3/2021 at 11:16 AM, valiantman said: TMNT #1 is the Copper Age equivalent of Amazing Fantasy #15, except that TMNT #1 has fewer copies in existence than AF #15. TMNT #1 is 37 years old now, AF #15 turned 37 years old in 1999. CGC 8.5 AF #15 sold for $19,200 when it was 40 years old, CGC TMNT #1 sold for $30,000 when it was 37 years old. CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 is currently one of the top 500 grades on the CGC Census for the book (8.5 or higher). The top 500 grades for Amazing Fantasy #15 are CGC 6.0 or higher. CGC 6.0 Amazing Fantasy #15 most recently sold for $84,000. Do you need the money now? If not, it's entirely possible that CGC 8.5 TMNT #1 today is similar to having a CGC 6.0 to CGC 8.5 Amazing Fantasy #15 twenty years ago. Expand Except the part where Spiderman is the biggest character in comics and always will have staying power the turtle book two years ago in 9.0 was 5K. It went up abnormally as did many others we don’t know what the fallout is going to be just yet . It’s a cool book but I don’t see turtles popularity today as I did when I was kid in 80s and early 90s. That success is long gone . Is rarity dictating price? Not sure . It’s a cool book I just have hard time seeing you compare them to Spiderman who’s is the absolute top of the mountain when it comes to comics and always will be . You're the kind of guy who'd rather have an ounce of gold than a metric ton of silver, aren't you? Gold is way more popular than silver, has always been more popular than silver, and will always be more popular than silver. So who cares how much you can get for the same price, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 7:43 PM, Subby1938 said: Except the part where Spiderman is the biggest character in comics and always will have staying power the turtle book two years ago in 9.0 was 5K. It went up abnormally as did many others we don’t know what the fallout is going to be just yet . It’s a cool book but I don’t see turtles popularity today as I did when I was kid in 80s and early 90s. That success is long gone . Is rarity dictating price? Not sure . It’s a cool book I just have hard time seeing you compare them to Spiderman who’s is the absolute top of the mountain when it comes to comics and always will be . You dont see Turtles popularity because you're not a kid. I have 2 young boys who watch the shows, and play with their TMNT toys every day. I didnt even push them to comics, they seem to not care much about mine. Here son , here's a 250K comic book, meh.😴 He would rather play his playstation. sorrenmj and tvindy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLeagueCHEW Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) On 12/3/2021 at 7:43 PM, Subby1938 said: Except the part where Spiderman is the biggest character in comics and always will have staying power the turtle book two years ago in 9.0 was 5K. It went up abnormally as did many others we don’t know what the fallout is going to be just yet . It’s a cool book but I don’t see turtles popularity today as I did when I was kid in 80s and early 90s. That success is long gone . Is rarity dictating price? Not sure . It’s a cool book I just have hard time seeing you compare them to Spiderman who’s is the absolute top of the mountain when it comes to comics and always will be . Agree on the Spider-Man part as far as character wise. We watch one of the Spider-Man films at least once a week. Both my son's don't really care for the turtles. Even when we get Halloween costumes Spider-Man is what they usually go for. I even dress up as the ole wall crawler myself. Pre 90s babies are into Turtles more as it was a part of their childhood. Which drives the current market. What will it be like as time goes on? Time will tell I guess. Edited December 6, 2021 by BigLeagueCHEW sorrenmj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLeagueCHEW Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 3:52 AM, Ryan. said: I won't pretend that the Turtles are anywhere near as popular as Spider-Man but these boards tend to overemphasize the cultural weight of movies. The TMNT merchandise machine is humming along as strong as ever, particularly in the collectible action figure hobby, which is huge but often overlooked by comics collectors. TMNT might be THE number one IP for action figure collectors. That's what it was for me, straight to the toy isle and buying all the turtles off the shelf to play with. WolverineX and ghn999 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLeagueCHEW Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 8:03 AM, oakman29 said: You dont see Turtles popularity because you're not a kid. I have 2 young boys who watch the shows, and play with their TMNT toys every day. I didnt even push them to comics, they seem to not care much about mine. Here son , here's a 250K comic book, meh.😴 He would rather play his playstation. Yup, straight to the iPad for Roblox, cool story about the comic dad, see ya! WolverineX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLeagueCHEW Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/5/2021 at 11:57 AM, szav said: They're both getting up there and you never know till its over of course, but the non-desecrated copy with 5 days longer in the auction is keeping ahead. Nuts on both. Let me trade my house for this comic. Anyone take a deed? ThothAmon and greggy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icculus308win Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/5/2021 at 1:57 PM, szav said: but the non-desecrated copy 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Wow! Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Like constanza I thought it moved Not sure why? Is it cerebus? Or? Icculus308win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...