BeatleBlueCat DEFRAUDING BUYERS with Massive SHILL BIDDING and Same old "Buy CGC graded 7.5, crack and sell as raw "NM" scam 10 10

[Comics4All]

On 9/19/2021 at 10:34 PM, mattn792 said:

@Comics4All - I’m starting to wonder if Scoot has the first apperence of Magento…

@mattn792 If Scoot starts professing his love for 9.2 copies of Maximum Carnage, then we will know he has the 1st Apperence of Mag neat O!

[James J Johnson]

On 9/19/2021 at 4:45 PM, DustinL said:

CGC cases dont say conditions on the labels. But, a PSA 7 is Near Mint. A 7.5 would be higher in NM. What's the problem with selling a cracked 7.5 as Near Mint?

Because the scale is different for comics as it relates to comics, you should know that.. A 7.5 is a book with enough flaws so as to be far removed from a 9.4; a book nearly without flaws. This is why the average CGC 9.4 will sell for 10 times more than the average CGC 7.5, and more than 10 times 7.5 if a key or high demand issue where high grades are in short supply.

So what BeatleBlueCat (most likely you) does is to buy CGC 7.5 (VF-) at say $100, crack it out, list it raw as a 9.4 (NM), knowing that if a CGC 9.4 will sell for 10 times what he paid for the 7.5, he can expect to get about 1/3rd the CGC price for a raw 9.4 than he could for a CGC 9.4, which the CGC 7.5 he bought is most certainly not. So he'll get $300 to $500 for the 7.5he bought for $100 by deliberately misrepresenting it as a 9.4. Someone who wants a 9.4 of that issue will gamble with his raw misrepresented garbage thinking they will take the chance on a $1000 book for $300 to $500. 

BBC hyperinflates the CGC grades, what the book's condition actually is, enough so that this formula works. He inflates the grade to match the market price for a book that should sell for 10 times what he paid for the CGC 7.5 he bought to resell so listed raw, he can still expect to make a profit. of course, when the buyer submits it, he's going to get back the same CGC 7.5 that he bought; a book worth no more than the $100 he paid for it, and now the buyer is stuck with a $100 book he paid $300 to $500 for because he believed he was going to be getting what he thought he was bidding on. A book of 9.4 quality. His buyer will message him something like this: 

"That AS 300 you sold me as a NM+ for $3000 came back a 7.5!!!!! I'm out about $2500. I'd like to return it" 

After frantically checking the payment date (to see if 3 or 6 months have passed so the buyer can't initiate a chargeback, and if the window for leaving negative feedback has expired, or if the buyer has already left positive feedback, if all of those conditions are met, he (you) will answer with some mumbo jumbo and general scam speak about how CGC doesn't guarantee their grades so he doesn't ether". And that "nowhere in his listing did he guarantee that the book will be graded the same by CGC". 

This is BBC's (your) formula. I've seen the messages. It's pathetic. The wriggling, the squirming. The meely-mouthed scam speak to wriggle off the hook. 

There's more. Much more. This is good for now. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by James J Johnson

[DustinL]

So, what grades are Near Mint? What is the CGC scale?

9 is a mint grade.

Edited September 20, 2021 by DustinL

[MetalPSI]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:43 AM, DustinL said:

So, what grades are Near Mint? What is the CGC scale?

9 is a mint grade.

What scale are you using?

Is your question to compare one scale to another, or to learn what a common grading scale is?

CGC grading scale can be found on the same website as this forum

[James J Johnson]

On 9/19/2021 at 11:43 PM, DustinL said:

So, what grades are Near Mint? What is the CGC scale?

What took you so long. I figured you'd be sitting on the thread, so I stayed near the computer. 

If you are unaware of the CGC scale, why would you even reference PSA's scale for comparison to it?

But I'll go along with the gag. 

7.5 = VF-

8.0 = VF

8.5 = VF+

9.0 = VF/NM

9.2 = NM-

9.4 = NM

9.6 = NM+

So because you buy at 7.5, not your opinion of a 7.5, but a professional opinion of 7.5, and resell raw (your opinion) as a 9.4, two things, among many) are happening.

1) the buyer thinks he's purchasing 10 pounds of gold but is in reality receiving 1 pound.

2) Although the buyer's scale is broken when he receives this instead of upon opening the package immediately calling upon you for a refund for an item that has been grossly misrepresented, he submits it to CGC, whose scale is not broken, and at the time the grade for his book is posted, he realizes that he received 1 pound instead of the 10 pounds you deliberately falsely advertised. At that point, if he's left feedback already and it's too late for him to file a case or a chargeback, you'll fight him on it. Only if those conditions are not met will you try to pacify him with some type of remedy (I've seen the messages). Of course, when your buyer is an attorney, you cave right in, understandably; I've seen those messages too. Funny stuff. Always entertaining trying to see a scammer squirm when his own flim flam takes a 180 degree turn on him.

[James J Johnson]

On 9/19/2021 at 11:55 PM, Dr. Dank said:

What scale are you using?

Is your question to compare one scale to another, or to learn what a common grading scale is?

CGC grading scale can be found on the same website as this forum

He knows. He's trying to make the point that a 7.5 can be a NM by using the PSA scale and somehow that relates to comics.

It's like arguing that someone who weighs 94 pounds is heavier that someone weighing 75 kilograms because 94 is greater than 75.  

On the PSA scale, 7 is NM. On the CGC scale, it isn't. 

Edited September 20, 2021 by James J Johnson

[MetalPSI]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:04 AM, James J Johnson said:

He knows. He's trying to make the point that a 7.5 can be a NM by using the PSA scale and somehow that relates to comics.

It's like arguing that someone who weighs 94 pounds is heavier that someone weighing 75 kilograms because 94 is greater than 75. 

What I don't understand is how stupid people manage to get anywhere or do anything. 

Then I realize the modern world has been created to accommodate them

[MetalPSI]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:43 AM, DustinL said:

So, what grades are Near Mint? What is the CGC scale?

9 is a mint grade.

https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/grading-scale/

There it is, just in case.

[DustinL]

Where on the CGC site can I find the CGC scale? Is the CSG scale the same as the CGC scale or the same as the PSA scale?

[James J Johnson]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:06 AM, Dr. Dank said:

https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/grading-scale/

There it is, just in case.

He's here. Refreshing the thread every minute or so. He might even be too busy reading to crack slabs once I start carpet bombing all the social media platforms with the info of this thread and way more. His devices are going to be ringing notifications like the bells of St. Mary's.. 

[thehumantorch]

On 9/19/2021 at 8:28 PM, Buzzetta said:

@jaybuck43

This thread is all about ''hard times"

 

Would you buy a used cucumber from that man?

[James J Johnson]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:25 AM, thehumantorch said:

Would you buy a used cucumber from that man?

The first pro-athlete named Dusty Rhodes: 

 

[Buzzetta]

On 9/20/2021 at 3:25 AM, thehumantorch said:

Would you buy a used cucumber from that man?

First question… 

Who do you recommend buying used cucumbers from ?

[HotKey]

Genuinely curious if any legal experts know...

What is the threshold for scams like this to be considered actual criminal fraud cases?

I also dont know if the FCC's jurisdiction against deceptive or misleading advertising applies to online sale ads, but if they do... 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 9/20/2021 at 6:10 AM, HotKey said:

What is the threshold for scams like this to be considered actual criminal fraud cases?

Can we prove intent in a court of law?

Spoiler

The defendant could simply testify that they disagreed with CGC's opinion. CGC's opinion in and of itself is absolved by their description of its "guaranty" on their label.

We know what's going on, but knowledge and proof are 2 different matters.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 9/20/2021 at 3:38 AM, Buzzetta said:

On 9/20/2021 at 2:25 AM, thehumantorch said:

Would you buy a used cucumber from that man?

First question… 

Who do you recommend buying used cucumbers from ?

Maybe this guy? 

Definitely not this guy..

[Funnybooks]

[Funnybooks]

[theCapraAegagrus]

Is Scooter the fraudster?

[MetalPSI]

On 9/20/2021 at 9:04 AM, Scootrk said:

Add the math at 100 bucks a press per book because its that funny maybe you guys could learn something instead of fooling around lol. Guys r funny

If you're paying 100 bucks to press a book, the insipid person here is you, not us