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[Randall Dowling]

1 hour ago, lou_fine said:

 

Well, since no one else has bothered to answer your question here, I will try to fathom a guess and say "Yes", there should most likely be a Punch 12 in there since this would be from the prime 1945/46 time period.  I guess we can only wait and see to find out though.  

My best guess though is that it's pretty likely considering that they already have a copy of Punch 19 in there, with the 2 problem staple areas and that fugly looking spine as per usual:      

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/punch-comics-19-the-promise-collection-pedigree-chesler-1946-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175062.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

With respect to the Punch run, I believe the only ones they might not have in there might be Punch 1 and 2 since it's prior to 1943, and even if they did, might not be in the usual "high grade" condition that the majority of the Promise books would be in.  

 

In a way, this is kind of exciting.  It means my Church Wow 10 is a 9.8, at least!  

[Gatsby77]

3 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Something for you to comtemplate while you lay awake at night thinking about the meaning of life..................."One book's defects are another book's pedigree characteristic traits".    

So...20 years from now, even de-slabbed, collectors will be able to tell books from the Promise Collection due to the tell-tale messed up stables from the pancake pressing?

[Timely]

6 hours ago, lou_fine said:

What is this............are you doing a rewrite of the grading definitions for VF/NM here in preparation for Overstreet's new guide?  

And what the frig is going on with that top staple area for the Promise Collection copy or is this simply just nothing more than CCS's signature confirmation mark that additional revenue has already been generated from this book and this defect signature should therefore be taken into consideration accordingly by the graders. 

Bottom-line:  After careful visual consideration and since I am not a label chaser, I would take the Mile High copy since the cover looks pretty white to me and presents nicely as compared to the Promise copy with that misaligned cut along the top which is a definite eyesore, plus you can never go wrong with a Church pedigree since it's the absolute top rung of the pedigree ladder:    

This is not a picture of the Mile High copy, the MH is WAY better. I’ll try and dig up a scan.

[jimbo_7071]

7 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

So...20 years from now, even de-slabbed, collectors will be able to tell books from the Promise Collection due to the tell-tale messed up stables from the pancake pressing?

The Promise Collection will henceforth be known as The Pancake Collection!

Edited May 13, 2021 by jimbo_7071

[Flex Mentallo]

58 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said:

The Promise Collection will heretofore be known as The Pancake Collection!

That's a presscient remark.

[Timely]

Here is a xerox I took of the MH Det #120. Inks were dripping wet with gloss!

 

 

[buttock]

11 minutes ago, Timely said:

Here is a xerox I took of the MH Det #120. Inks were dripping wet with gloss!

 

 

I change my choice!  

[Dr. Love]

17 hours ago, Rip said:

One thing I love about that scan is that it actually starts to show the 3 dimensionally LB Cole covers have when they still have their gloss. Something I suspect many have never seen in person. 

Is this the 9.2 on the census?

yes it is

[Dr. Love]

other reveals

Tec 156  8.5

Web of Mystery 1 7.5

Marvel Mystery 63 9.4

Edited May 13, 2021 by Dr. Love

[Crowzilla]

32 minutes ago, Dr. Love said:

other reveals

and - wait for it - Cap 1  3.5  CR-OW

you are about 45 pages in the thread late for that reveal

[Gotham Kid]

1 hour ago, buttock said:

I change my choice!  

[lou_fine]

1 hour ago, buttock said:

I change my choice!  

This reconfirms my initial thinking even more as this Church copy here is perfectly cut from the top and bottom edge point of view.    

Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine

[lou_fine]

On 5/10/2021 at 10:10 AM, Comcav said:

I saw many camera phone pics prior to grading (along with the pic of the book then graded for comparison), they are indeed ALL THAT PLUS FROSTING ON TOP. 

In this case, can you please provide us all with a phone pic of this CGC 8.5 graded copy of Subby 23 AD (After Destruction) because this is indeed ALL THAT MINUS THE "MOUSE CHEW" ON THE BOTOM:    

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sub-mariner-comics-23-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1947-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175249.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

 

With all of the increased fees that's now being charged for their services, I hope they can use some of it to pony up the cash to hire a real professional exterminator because that "rodent infestation" problem they seem to be having down at CCS appears to be getting totally out of control here.  

Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine

[Bronty]

jeez that mouse chew is pretty bad.   That's a 7.0 at that point, I don't care how fresh the rest of the book is.

[Bronty]

in fairness I feel like there's a ton of gorgeous books that look worth the grades as well

[lou_fine]

21 minutes ago, Bronty said:

jeez that mouse chew is pretty bad.   That's a 7.0 at that point, I don't care how fresh the rest of the book is.

Well, I believe if you go by the Overstreet grading standards since nobody knows what CGC's undisclosed and shifting grading standards are, a missing piece like that going through the ENTIRE BOOK would probably bring the grade down much lower than a 7.0.  

Then again, since it was most likely done during their "maximization of potential" process, pay no attention to it and we are good to go.    

Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine

[october]

31 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

 

 

Totally normal. I've seen lots of 8.5's where a rat gnawed part of the book off. Sure. Nothing to see here.

 

[lou_fine]

35 minutes ago, Bronty said:

in fairness I feel like there's a ton of gorgeous books that look worth the grades as well

From a distance only, because if you are like me, probably still haven't gotten around to opening many of the posted scans that's on the HA site yet.    

I was only made aware of this Subby 23 by a PM which I had received from @MasterChief last night along with a couple of other scans as he also can't figure out how CGC is coming up with some of these grades on some of these books from the Promise Collection. 

It's too bad he's swamped at work right now, because his usual detailed analytical input here would indeed be both highly valued and greatly appreciated.  

Edited May 13, 2021 by lou_fine

[jcjames]

6 hours ago, jimbo_7071 said:

The Promise Collection will henceforth be known as The Pancake Collection!

Copyright that! You KNOW it will be used by many evermore. 

[Cat-Man_America]

1 hour ago, october said:

Totally normal. I've seen lots of 8.5's where a rat gnawed part of the book off. Sure. Nothing to see here.

 

The grader's notes will probably define it as a production chew.