They're Still Out There! 22 22

[Rip]

Yea I don't know what the deal is with CGC getting stupid on the missing pieces like the Sun Girl, and the two Subbys.

Those books really should be changed. 

[comicnoir]

2 hours ago, lou_fine said:

In this case, can you please provide us all with a phone pic of this CGC 8.5 graded copy of Subby 23 AD (After Destruction) because this is indeed ALL THAT MINUS THE "MOUSE CHEW" ON THE BOTOM:    

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sub-mariner-comics-23-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1947-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175249.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

 

With all of the increased fees that's now being charged for their services, I hope they can use some of it to pony up the cash to hire a real professional exterminator because that "rodent infestation" problem they seem to be having down at CCS appears to be getting totally out of control here.  

[lou_fine]

37 minutes ago, Rip said:

Those books really should be changed. 

   Or how about sending ALL OF THEM to the boys across the street for finalized grading in order to ensure some consistency in the grades?  

[comicjack]

Youtube has listed CGC and Heritage having a talk about the Promise collection on The Tales from the Flipside on Friday at 1 pm.

[Mmehdy]

On 5/12/2021 at 1:21 PM, sfcityduck said:

CGC is only subject to regulation by its customers.  And, despite its name, it does not guarantee anything, including the accuracy of its grading.

Third party grading is an opinion. The ultimate responsibility is with you the TCBC to make the final call. Yes, I agree with CGC on those 9.8's and differ with some of the 9.6/4 etc. The good part is at least they are here to protect us from undisclosed restoration which has become a game of cat and mouse between the CGC and the grade manipulators.

 There is gonna be a lot of pedigree" bashing" due to the fact that the collection is so great with 5000 OO new to the market books.

Do not listen the bashers and you yourself judge how much to pay, and what condition you are buying it in with the understanding that this is probably the LAST OO non collector GA collection of 5000 95% top graded books that will ever hit the market again.

 I can remember when": Chuckles " selling a lot of Church copies at a early SDCC...Man, collectors were outraged his prices which was about 3x guide and lo and behold 5years later those complainers were saying that they should of bought them all.

We have  5000 GA top condition books, enough for everyone on this board and other GA collectors. Yes, the grading is good/bad/spot on...ok I get that...here is what you do not get, 5 years from today everyone on this board who hesitates due to negative comments are gonna complain I should of bought 2 or 5 or what ever.

 The real winners of this outstanding GA collection, will buy and hold.

My opinion of Ha.com com is that I have left bids on certain items with over 10K from the second  underbidder and that money was left on the table by an honest auction house. I do not believe for minute that Ha controls CGC, that CGC somehow controls Ha.Com...they are too busy making tons money to do that.

Edited May 13, 2021 by Mmehdy

[pemart1966]

10 hours ago, Bronty said:

jeez that mouse chew is pretty bad.   That's a 7.0 at that point, I don't care how fresh the rest of the book is.

So...it's a 7.0 - graded as an 8.5 - that will probably sell for multiples of what a 9.0 should sell for...  

Edited May 14, 2021 by pemart1966

[jimbo_7071]

27 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:

So...it's a 7.0 - graded as an 8.5 - that will probably sell for multiples of what an 9.0 should sell for...  

Buy it next time it shows up. Most of these books will be bought by new-money people who flit in and out of the hobby like fireflies. They will tire of the hobby in a couple of years and unload their books at a loss just like Gary Keller did with the Mile High Green Lanterns. Most of them have enough money that they won't even notice.

[sfcityduck]

30 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said:

Buy it next time it shows up. Most of these books will be bought by new-money people who flit in and out of the hobby like fireflies. They will tire of the hobby in a couple of years and unload their books at a loss just like Gary Keller did with the Mile High Green Lanterns Flash Comics.  Most of them have enough money that they won't even notice.

Corrected, I think.

[waaaghboss]

7 hours ago, lou_fine said:

In this case, can you please provide us all with a phone pic of this CGC 8.5 graded copy of Subby 23 AD (After Destruction) because this is indeed ALL THAT MINUS THE "MOUSE CHEW" ON THE BOTOM:    

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sub-mariner-comics-23-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1947-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175249.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

 

With all of the increased fees that's now being charged for their services, I hope they can use some of it to pony up the cash to hire a real professional exterminator because that "rodent infestation" problem they seem to be having down at CCS appears to be getting totally out of control here.  

Clearly the mouse nibbled on it as it was being printed, thus its a manufacturer defective.  

[aardvark88]

8 hours ago, Bronty said:

 I feel like there's a ton of gorgeous books that look worth the grades as well

+1, as Matt Nelson Promises:

 

[pemart1966]

On 5/11/2021 at 10:40 PM, Mmehdy said:

That is a real issue Lou...will the crazy speculators go after the "finest" condition wise GA OO collection. Well first they have to have the brains to realize that All-Winners #21 in 9.8 is a miracle in and of itself that it exits today...OO..that is my favorite books so far, great read, cover, condition. Can they separate  that book for the 300/500 books coming on board this auction time?.. They have money, but do they have skill....it takes a savy collector to be able to navigate  thru that many GA gems. Now, they could hire someone like Mr. Bedrock to advise them...I do not think they are that smart or want to put the time and effort it is to do the necessary research to figure out that All Winners #21 9.8 is priceless and it is.

 I think down the road 2 thousand books later, they will or might and buy everything that hits the market, but not today.

It is a GA collectors privilege to just look at the scan of that book, they are looking for widgets. They could get smart...but I bet not right away...we as TCBC's have the advantage now......

Interesting points.  However, we cannot discount the fact the HA has probably been on its Rolodex non stop hyping this collection to every heavy hitter investor that it knows ever since they first knew that they got the job of selling this motherlode.

As such, a whole lot of brains and/or a whole lot of skill may not be necessary.  Neither may it be necessary to be a savvy investor.    No...all it may take are a few pre auction phone calls which include some "advice" and the widget purchasing will start with lot #1 and end with lot #5000.

[waaaghboss]

So most of the books won't be graded?  Kind of good news, look's like a bunch will escape the pancake press   Owner held them till he was 94, very impressive.  Sounds like the family is the   

collection has 10 double covers, very cool.  Sounds like he was actively seeking them out.

At 6:42, Brian accidently drinks from hiss pee bottle  

Edited May 14, 2021 by waaaghboss

[ThothAmon]

7 hours ago, aardvark88 said:

+1, as Matt Nelson Promises:

 

That was great. Thanks. Didn’t learn too much other than what we already knew, that this collection is a unicorn and is awesome! (and that they already sold the Batman one in CGC 9.4). The host hit it on the head when he said the viewers will be upset with Matt Nelson for taking the time to do the interview when we all have so many darned books waiting to be graded. Lol. 

[tabcom]

9 hours ago, aardvark88 said:

+1, as Matt Nelson Promises:

 

what’s the timeline where lou_fine comes in?

[Straw-Man]

21 minutes ago, tabcom said:

what’s the timeline where lou_fine comes in?

my board routine lately:  i post the appropriate issues in the f.f. and d.d threads in silver, check gold connections to see if i have an offering, and then come over here for his [and others] lamentations.   i have a morbid fascination with it.

[Sarg]

10 hours ago, aardvark88 said:

+1, as Matt Nelson Promises:

 

 

Can someone clarify something? In the discussion, Brian said that when he finds collections, the DCs are usually intact but the Timelys are long gone. But he didn't give an explanation for this strange phenomenon. Why would that be so? 

[Mr. Lady Luck]

When they talk about how the raw copies were so nice (i.e. after pressing, the book is a 9.6, but the raw book would have been a 9.4), I die a little bit inside.

[cheetah]

8 hours ago, pemart1966 said:

Interesting points.  However, we cannot discount the fact the HA has probably been on its Rolodex non stop hyping this collection to every heavy hitter investor that it knows ever since they first knew that they got the job of selling this motherlode.

As such, a whole lot of brains and/or a whole lot of skill may not be necessary.  Neither may it be necessary to be a savvy investor.    No...all it may take are a few pre auction phone calls which include some "advice" and the widget purchasing will start with lot #1 and end with lot #5000.

I’m just pointing out that there are enough ‘real collectors’ out there with deep pockets that a book like AW 2 is going to receive plenty of attention.  No way it slips through on a weak sale, regardless of the marketing.

[piper]

1 hour ago, Straw-Man said:

my board routine lately:  i post the appropriate issues in the f.f. and d.d threads in silver, check gold connections to see if i have an offering, and then come over here for his [and others] lamentations.   i have a morbid fascination with it.

[linmoth]

Thanks to the original poster for the link. I don’t know Brian but he sure is enthusiastic about this collection. Sorta seems like you guys on here would feel the same. I’m not a real GA collector I have had some in my collection in the past. Not a fan of pressing but now that it is out in the open and a level playing field, have at it. These books are beautiful and I enjoy looking at them. I may even buy a few. It’s almost like looking at the photo journal books. Sorry if I upset some of you just my opinion and I have broad shoulders.

Best

Edited May 14, 2021 by linmoth