Robot Man Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/1/2021 at 9:44 PM, lou_fine said: Yeah, tell me about it as doesn't it absolutely peeve you right off when bidders like Halperin get right in there and takes the books from reasonable dollar bid amounts right up to nutso crypto like bids. Perfect case in point being that raw silly goofy run of Desperado westerns from the Promise Collection that came up in this past Sunday's HA auction. When I saw this run of so-called raw NM Desperado's 2 - 7 on Saturday with all of them sitting at a reasonable bid point of $0 (except for 1 of them at something like $26), I thought there would be a reasonable chance for me to finally win one of these much ballyhooed Promise Collection books. Figured they wouldn't actually go for much more than that, considering the rather egregious $29 minimum BP juice along with another $100+ to get the living daylights squish squash out of the books so that they could hopefully come back from CGC in a HG slab. Figured that I would give it a shot, especially with the Desperado 3 and 8 since both of these were absent from Chuck's Mile High Catalog, with the others in the run being graded by Chuck as either VG or F. Got my hopes up as the Desperado 3 was sitting at $26 and the Desperado 8 was sitting at a still respectable and reasonable hammer price of $0 as their turn came up on the final bell. Go figure as those 2 books ended up at a totally insane $960 and $1,020 respectively, with the rest of the seemingly worthless run finishing up in the same ball park at price points somewhere between $840 and $1,050: What is wrong with people? Aren’t Westerns “dead”? jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 5:45 AM, Sarg said: It looks like the lowest auction price for a Promise book so far has been this one. Closed at $104. Crime Can't Win #42 in G+ https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/crime-can-t-win-42-2-the-promise-collection-pedigree-marvel-1950-condition-gd-/a/122148-19245.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 In the “Promise world” a steal. In the real world just plain crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 3:52 PM, Robot Man said: In the “Promise world” a steal. In the real world just plain crazy... Yes, the question being, which world is real? Reminds me of the movie Koyaanisqatsi - which I believe translates to 'life out of balance'. koyaanisqatsi Robot Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 7:57 AM, Flex Mentallo said: Yes, the question being, which world is real? Reminds me of the movie Koyaanisqatsi - which I believe translates to 'life out of balance'. koyaanisqatsi That is putting it mildly. I can’t imagine what a lot of these people are going to feel once the hype dies down and they decide to sell. I have already seen several of these out in the market. A couple of sellers just want to get their original purchase price with very little in the way of sales. Church books are even looking like a steal these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 9:11 AM, Robot Man said: That is putting it mildly. I can’t imagine what a lot of these people are going to feel once the hype dies down and they decide to sell. I have already seen several of these out in the market. A couple of sellers just want to get their original purchase price with very little in the way of sales. Church books are even looking like a steal these days. For such an amazing collection, it has a lot of books that aren't very exciting. Mostly due to the era during which it was collected. I would have assumed that those would have gone cheap, but I would have assumed wrong. Very wrong. It's kind of inexplicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 5:17 PM, buttock said: For such an amazing collection, it has a lot of books that aren't very exciting. Mostly due to the era during which it was collected. I would have assumed that those would have gone cheap, but I would have assumed wrong. Very wrong. It's kind of inexplicable. Edited December 2, 2021 by Flex Mentallo buttock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 12:33 PM, Flex Mentallo said: The buyers of these Promise books are every bit as smart as that character from The Princess Bride, and he was a genius. He said so himself. Flex Mentallo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 10:11 AM, Robot Man said: That is putting it mildly. I can’t imagine what a lot of these people are going to feel once the hype dies down and they decide to sell. I have already seen several of these out in the market. A couple of sellers just want to get their original purchase price with very little in the way of sales. Church books are even looking like a steal these days. If there's an unforced error here, it's the bulld up of the "Promise" as being in the same league as Church with added salt being rubbed in collector's wounds via a perception of loose grading with so many Promise books presented as top grades. In reality, there aren't as many cross-over (Church vs Promise) books currently on the market to compare (a lot of Church copies remain ungraded or have been withdrawn into private collections away from further marketplace scrutiny). In the early days of grading a 9.4 or 9.6 was an incredibly high grade for any GA comic to receive and those Church books which achieved that status presented as newsstand fresh. Time-wise, Church books run the gamut from late 30's into the 50's with a lot of top grade books in the late 30's and early 40's. The Promise collection's best books are in the mid-40's to the start of 1950. In that regard, there's an apples & oranges aspect to making comparisons, but where there are comparisons worth making I'd love to compare the specifics in grader's notes in addition to eyeballing the covers. On 12/2/2021 at 11:17 AM, buttock said: For such an amazing collection, it has a lot of books that aren't very exciting. Mostly due to the era during which it was collected. I would have assumed that those would have gone cheap, but I would have assumed wrong. Very wrong. It's kind of inexplicable. The Desperado sales are easily explained. The bidders mistakingly assumed they were some sorta mid-70's reprints published by Larry Flint with Linda Ronstadt centerfolds. Sarg and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beige Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/25/2021 at 8:21 AM, Beige said: Thanks guys - All sorted now - they had to send me a form to allow me to ship to a different address. Insurance coverage etc etc Cheers Is it normal for Heritage to be so poor at customer service? I waited 8 days, and asked them twice to add postage to the invoice. I got fed up of waiting, paid the bill, and - yup there's an email saying the invoice was incorrect as no postage had been added. I know - THATS WHY I CONTACTED YOU TWICE.... Their customer service is terrible frankly. Is this normal, or because I am overseas? Not getting a strong urge to buy again, if I have to jump through hoops every single time. @Ricksneatstuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 6:52 PM, Beige said: Is it normal for Heritage to be so poor at customer service? I waited 8 days, and asked them twice to add postage to the invoice. I got fed up of waiting, paid the bill, and - yup there's an email saying the invoice was incorrect as no postage had been added. I know - THATS WHY I CONTACTED YOU TWICE.... Their customer service is terrible frankly. Is this normal, or because I am overseas? Not getting a strong urge to buy again, if I have to jump through hoops every single time. @Ricksneatstuff I'm in the UK. Whenever I've bought from them, they would bill separately for postage after mailing the book(s). tth2 and Beige 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post goldenacase Posted December 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) They do the same as well when I buy from them I'm in Canada always a separate postage invoice, on the Promise collection I suppose I fell victim of the collection as well. I bought the Planet comics 34 in the first auction my bad I really didn't notice the very small tear on top until a boardie pointed it out on the Planets forum then I bought the graders notes and sure enough small tear my bad never bid from pics on phone assuming tear taken into consideration when grading.Tear or no tear I love the book/pedigree its really tough to find in high grade Edited December 3, 2021 by goldenacase jimjum12, DR.X, szucchini and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 12:17 PM, buttock said: I would have assumed that those would have gone cheap, but I would have assumed wrong. Very wrong. It's kind of inexplicable. Run the presses at the Mint 24 by 7 + a new pedigree full of attractive, top census copies = $$$Profit$$$ The Promise Collection offers a very simple and attractive story that adds a shine even to the most ordinary issues. jimjum12 and SuperGrover 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 8:11 AM, Robot Man said: I have already seen several of these out in the market. A couple of sellers just want to get their original purchase price with very little in the way of sales. Based upon posts on these very boards here, I can think of only 2 or possibly 3 of these Promise Collection books trying to make their way back into the marketplace. And needless to say and not surprisingly, not with any kind of profit once you factor in the fees involved. BTW: Is anybody here aware of any that has come back with higher grades than the original grades which were assigned to them when auctioned off by Heritage? This is so very much unlike the Jon Berk Collection whereby you saw so many books being encased in new slabs with higher grades and being resold in the marketplace, mere weeks after they were auctioned off through the CC auction platform. Definitely food for thought as it certainly makes you wonder what's actually going on behind the scenes with the overlapping ownership, especially in light of what we are reading with regards to the current Wata and Heritage controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 8:02 PM, lou_fine said: This is so very much unlike the Jon Berk Collection whereby you saw so many books being encased in new slabs with higher grades and being resold in the marketplace, mere weeks after they were auctioned off through the CC auction platform. Ah, the good old days Cat-Man_America and lou_fine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 5:39 PM, adamstrange said: Run the presses at the Mint 24 by 7 + a new pedigree full of attractive, top census copies = $$$Profit$$$ The Promise Collection offers a very simple and attractive story that adds a shine on to even the most ordinary issues. Fixed that for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 10:33 PM, GreatCaesarsGhost said: Ah, the good old days This is from an early science-fiction film (1930) set 50 years into the future; sort of a musical comedy version of Buck Rogers. I tried to locate a better clip, but this was the only one I found with the whole gag... Larryw7 and GreatCaesarsGhost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 9:21 PM, Cat-Man_America said: This is from an early science-fiction film (1930) set 50 years into the future; sort of a musical comedy version of Buck Rogers. I tried to locate a better clip, but this was the only one I found with the whole gag... That was fun. The last joke was surprisingly adult for 1930 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I bid on some but didn't win any. The prices were very very high, understandable due to the hype. I'll probably get one some day when they sell without the pedigree premium, just like Cookeville, Crippen, Crowley and the other pedigrees I own. lou_fine and Robot Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 8:02 PM, lou_fine said: I can think of only 2 or possibly 3 of these Promise Collection books trying to make their way back into the marketplace. They're making their way back into future HA auctions even now. Like the 5 books in the April 2022 Sig. When the past auction results are still displayed, it's not a renege, you're seeing a resale. Edited December 3, 2021 by Dr. Love lou_fine and tth2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 10:19 PM, szav said: 4 on Worldwide now, all at about a 50% markup, none that I think anyone would have called a steal at their original auction price, but I don't really follow any of these books or titles. I've seen a few on other dealer websites too. Not a ton yet true, but...we'll see if they sit or not. Simply amazing that you guys are able to keep track of these books here. Slightly different from his MO with the Jon Berk books where virtually all of the ones they had listed on the WW website were encased in higher graded slabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...