Gator Guru Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 5:15 PM, DravinClaw said: What is with the lack of graders notes these days? My Campbell 9.8 cracked came back a 9.6. No notes, no issues just a 9.6. Im certain that starting a year ago 9.6 became the new 9.8 and grades as a whole have gotten lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Guru Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 3:41 PM, ShaggyB said: Mine arrived today.... cgc 9.2 and NO GRADER NOTES?????? Atleast Bagley honored my request on the remarque. Bendis sig is like mine.... not readable. I can relate. Value wise, i see cgc 9.2 ss all over the place on ebay (as low as 800 to high as 1500) but i think its $1000 (most are below $1000) so thats $155 to press and re-grade. I might send it this weekend. Though im curious when the next Clayton Crain signing might be as i might should just wait for that as his sig would be nice to have. Any thoughts gang? Why risk it for Crain if it may come back lower. Personally I would get rid of it or send for a press. The faded Bendis signature would me off as you paid how much for a signature and they can’t even take the time to change to a new/working marker? Dont act like that is acceptable as these guys are making tons of $$ of these signings. If it were me it would go up on ebay and id cut my losses. Has me thinking twice about these signings for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Guru Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 4:27 PM, dbcn said: I too am victim to thinking a high-grade book submitted for a signing but not pressing would come back with a high grade : / I had a 3rd party presser press a brand new, sparkling book just to be safe, they sent it in, and I just got the grade today: 8.5 with 'light cover creasing' - there is zero chance this book was not a 9.6/9.8 before the signing, so it seems like somebody punted it over to Bagley rather than simply handing it to him. Back for a pressing it goes High grade books should not have to be pressed. If its a 9.8 then it should come back a 9.8 unless some obvious damage was done. A 9.8 grade is near mint/mint so there are things like spine ticks that still make it a 9.8. For the record a press will likely get a 9.6 to a 9.8 or at least it should however I have gotten thick books back with recessed staples when going this route. Came back a 9.8 from a 9.6 but looked awful. A tale of caution with CCS… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcn Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 12:04 PM, Gator Guru said: A tale of caution with CCS No doubt. But I think, to your point, high grade books shouldn't need to be pressed, yet apparently the only way to try to retain the higher grade after a signing seems to be that you have to press it, otherwise your 9.8 comes back an 8.5. So, somewhere, along the line, the books are being damaged which is not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Guru Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 12:10 PM, dbcn said: No doubt. But I think, to your point, high grade books shouldn't need to be pressed, yet apparently the only way to try to retain the higher grade after a signing seems to be that you have to press it, otherwise your 9.8 comes back an 8.5. So, somewhere, along the line, the books are being damaged which is not great. An 8.5 is nuts however with the documented QC issues is there any surprise that the in-house pack-em-in signings are going to also have quality control issues of their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketaylorwork Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Piggy backing on that, they have officially published the grading standards now, if the grades continue to vary from the standards they should refund everyone who bought the CGC book because it’s clearly not accurate.(side note, I’ve really only had one major issue with grading in the past two years, but I’ve seen enough in the community to be concerned. I submitted over 200 books last year and have only submitted 30 ish this year due to these reoccurring concerns). Gator Guru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketaylorwork Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Grading Update: Bendis just moved to shipped: Alias #1 came back a 9.8 (felt pretty good about that one) Liefeld just moved to SFG (all 19 of them, fingers crossed) Bagley and Thomas are still in SFG Adams is still in limbo at CSS due to the remarques not being completed ADAMANTIUM and Gator Guru 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 12:01 PM, Gator Guru said: Why risk it for Crain if it may come back lower. Personally I would get rid of it or send for a press. The faded Bendis signature would me off as you paid how much for a signature and they can’t even take the time to change to a new/working marker? Dont act like that is acceptable as these guys are making tons of $$ of these signings. If it were me it would go up on ebay and id cut my losses. Has me thinking twice about these signings for sure. Ehh. I paid $3.99 plus tax minus 30% discount for the comic when it came out. Im totally happy with the sig but to get it pressed id have to pay min $300 or 8% FMV for press and regrade. At that cost i can get Crain + press and regrade... and pay less. As othets have noted, i should have had it pressed due to the poly bag it was in. I didnt think about it and thats my bad. Not too worried with it. Its one of my 2 my personal copies. Id keep it regardless of the grade. If i wanted a 9.8 that bad id part with $1,500 to $3,000 and get one. My beef on it is the lack of grader notes to describe why it got 9.2. I cant make an educated decision on whether a pressing will make a difference or not. And if im gonna pay $300 to get regrade and press, im getting another sig on it and both those things. Ps. Bendis sig is darker in person than the pic, i honestly had to look and see what you were talking about. Edited September 27, 2023 by ShaggyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 12:35 PM, Gator Guru said: An 8.5 is nuts however with the documented QC issues is there any surprise that the in-house pack-em-in signings are going to also have quality control issues of their own? To be fair, thats likely more him saying 8.5 for effect than an actual 9.8 coming back 8.5. It does appear that to send a 9.8 and get a 9.8 back, you do need to press it. My Superman #75 is in that boat. The 1 note by the grader is a "slight" bend. I dont see it but ok a press will fix it. It does mean the peeps handling books and getting them to signer and then to grading are not handling with care, as that bend wasnt in the 9.8 notes, so they caused it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 7:25 PM, ShaggyB said: Ps. Bendis sig is darker in person than the pic, i honestly had to look and see what you were talking about. Still awaiting results myself, and I'm sure the less I think about it The faster it'll happen I hope Spoiler I do see what he is saying as the cover there is lighter in color, but it feels like the color of the cover still shines through the markselot. Not bad, but I get it, although I know most facilitators do a good job on things like that, I've seen the complaint with "them" as cgc, that is to say one or two may slip through before finally changing markers. This early on in results the jury is still out. Itll pass, as it happens, imo, and the black in miles mask is sufficient for the whole thing. I'd be "satisfied" at least. For all I know it is a Grey tone marker to blend on purpose, rather than a standard black sharpie, but not knocking it. Spoiler Edited September 27, 2023 by ADAMANTIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 8:37 PM, ADAMANTIUM said: I do see what he is saying as the cover there is lighter in color, but it feels like the color of the cover still shines through the markselot. Not bad, but I get it, although I know most facilitators do a good job on things like that, I've seen the complaint with "them" as cgc, that is to say one or two may slip through before finally changing markers. This early on in results the jury is still out. Itll pass, as it happens, imo, and the black in miles mask is sufficient for the whole thing. I'd be "satisfied" at least. For all I know it is a Grey tone marker to blend on purpose, rather than a standard black sharpie, but not knocking it. Still awaiting results myself, and I'm sure the less I think about it The faster it'll happen I hope I guess... Still darker in person, looks more like he wasnt pressing down as firmly as other peeps ive seen. I have it in a clear bag here and its still darker than it appears im pics Edited September 27, 2023 by ShaggyB ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 7:43 PM, ShaggyB said: I guess... Still darker in person, looks more like he wasnt pressing down as firmly as other peeps ive seen. Amen! Sorry to make you take a better pic, I had just edited my post, cause it looks fine. I think bagley and bendis were just using different markers, with contrast etc, but it isn't bad. I think the remarque sketch with the blacker ink for the mask stands out, which might be by design for their teams up. In short too much to consider to call it bad quality, and is fine. I'm just as nervous, and I hope you're satisfied, because you're also weighing decisions It's just. until I get results to inspect. Don't mean to spill milk Edited September 27, 2023 by ADAMANTIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Just believe me it ain't bad, here is an example of what I consider "bad!" Problem is, I knew this would grade higher than the other book I sent in for sketch with Neal... I liked the cover at the time, and hinted in the suggestion box to not cover up the art but somehow blend the remarque in, be careful what you ask for. You can tilt it in person, but straight on for the camera, oye, I mean it's there the Batman profile sketch bottom left of the boat. I don't think anyone but me would want it but me, and now not only because of the grade. (In defense I was going through a lower grade for sketch phase, and had it lying around, still not sure what I've committed too ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Lol. Still kicking myself over that I think I even used the description silver with thin lines hardy Har Har Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Guru Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 8:43 PM, ShaggyB said: I guess... Still darker in person, looks more like he wasnt pressing down as firmly as other peeps ive seen. I have it in a clear bag here and its still darker than it appears im pics Its not bad at all but the Bagley sig makes it look worse than what it is. Im way too particular, especially since there are signings going on every week at cgc. It makes me think if I dont have a perfectly signed copy then I will easily find one and for a lot less sometime down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyB Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 9:32 AM, Gator Guru said: Its not bad at all but the Bagley sig makes it look worse than what it is. Im way too particular, especially since there are signings going on every week at cgc. It makes me think if I dont have a perfectly signed copy then I will easily find one and for a lot less sometime down the road. Sending my superman 75 back due to not seeing one that matches mine on ebay. Ah well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 4:13 PM, ADAMANTIUM said: Not today. Bagley Sketch remarque and sig shipped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miketaylorwork Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 10:35 AM, ADAMANTIUM said: Bagley Sketch remarque and sig shipped Super jealous! Did you get them pressed, mine have been stuck in SFG for what seems like forever. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 12:49 PM, Miketaylorwork said: Super jealous! Did you get them pressed, mine have been stuck in SFG for what seems like forever. yes I pressed still came back 9.0 when consensus in spare a grade was 9.4 with a press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
