Is TODD MCFARLANE publishing DC comic books? 5 5

[Lazyboy]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:51 PM, Sigur Ros said:

Oh.. well..  good thing you can't have more than one ID here.

You know, to make an ID of a celeb you don't like, for the sole purpose of replying to it with insults.

You got me Einstein.

lol, ffs....

 

It's still not Stu, genius.

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:27 PM, URATowel said:

Oh no, Stu's posting as Amphoman again!!!!

I just saw that, and he's bumping old threads. Stu was an enigma back when I joined the Boards. I was not around for his heyday. I only heard whispers...about a Boardie named...Stuuuuuuuuuu

[aardvark88]

Sadly, woke DC characters/heroes retail sales tank in July 2022:

 

[Cat]

On 9/3/2022 at 10:39 AM, The Meta said:

Whatever helps you sleep, enabler 

Enabler of.....? 

[jdandns]

Maybe DC can get Todd to do some covers for them. Those would sell like hot cakes!

Ethan should ask Todd to do a variant cover for the next CyberFrog comic, and also Frank Cho, and Alex Ross.

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/2/2022 at 9:04 PM, aardvark88 said:

Sadly, woke DC characters/heroes retail sales tank in July 2022:

 

Get woke, go broke?

[shadroch]

Maybe he could do a comic that consisted only of variant covers. They could print 10,000 copies, send them to CGC so they could pick out the best thousand and then have a fan friendly bonfire with the rest. 

[shadroch]

Did you folks see that the state of Texas has told Black Rock they are too green and if they don't stop caring about green issues, Texas will no longer invest with them?

They examined the holdings of almost two thousand firms and the only one they called out was Black Rock.  And that was before "acetate gate."

[jsilverjanet]

Blackstone owns CGC

Blackrock is an entirely different company 

[Buzzetta]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:10 PM, Sigur Ros said:

It's Stu.

So yea, your last 2 words are appropriate .

It wasn't Stu.

Stu was URA Towel. 

Stu accounts are actually pretty easy to "realize", for lack of a better word, if you know what you are looking at.

 

 

[Buzzetta]

On 9/3/2022 at 11:50 AM, jdandns said:

Maybe DC can get Todd to do some covers for them. Those would sell like hot cakes!

Ethan should ask Todd to do a variant cover for the next CyberFrog comic, and also Frank Cho, and Alex Ross.

Don't know enough about Todd but there are quite a few creators both new and old that would prefer to see Ethan disappear, let alone even entertain that.

[Humpty-Dumpty]

On 9/2/2022 at 8:04 PM, aardvark88 said:

Sadly, woke DC characters/heroes retail sales tank in July 2022:

 

I for one am happy that the woke sales are collapsing. I hope they go to zero.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

On 9/2/2022 at 5:16 PM, Hot Nickels said:

Maybe you’ve invented some grotesque online personality for whatever reason and In reality you are an amazing person. 
 

However the way you conduct yourself publically and the army of truly awful people that who call themselves your fans are an absolute embarrassment to this community. Grow up

Well, I'm an entertainer, and I do have a persona that I've adopted to make the message that I convey more fun to listen to.  And "Comics" isn't a "Community," it's a hobby and an industry.  As such, nobody has any obligations to abide by a set of community standards.

The message is that "Woke" isn't a good additive for comics, and that those who insist that it must be are poisonous to this hobby and the business.  "Forced Diversity," or intentional ethnic, gender or sexuality quotas, aren't a replacement for good stories.

EVERYONE who isn't a political activist for social justice agrees with this.  Many are afraid to say anything, or they'll lose their jobs.  I hear from big name pros all of the time in private who cheer me on.  I'm happy to keep going.

Talking about it openly has meant being shunned, deplatformed, and canceled.  It's amazing.  It's almost as if this line of thinking is being imposed on comics forcibly and on penalty of ostracization.

Feel free to disagree. But also, you'll prove me right when this Forum bans me.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Ethan Van Sciver

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

[jdandns]

On 9/4/2022 at 9:22 AM, Ethan Van Sciver said:

Well, I'm an entertainer, and I do have a persona that I've adopted to make the message that I convey more fun to listen to.  And "Comics" isn't a "Community," it's a hobby and an industry.  As such, nobody has any obligations to abide by a set of community standards.

The message is that "Woke" isn't a good additive for comics, and that those who insist that it must be are poisonous to this hobby and the business.  "Forced Diversity," or intentional ethnic, gender or sexuality quotas, aren't a replacement for good stories.

EVERYONE who isn't a political activist for social justice agrees with this.  Many are afraid to say anything, or they'll lose their jobs.  I hear from big name pros all of the time in private who cheer me on.  I'm happy to keep going.

Talking about it openly has meant being shunned, deplatformed, and canceled.  It's amazing.  It's almost as if this line of thinking is being imposed on comics forcibly and on penalty of ostracization.

Feel free to disagree. But also, you'll prove me right when this Forum bans me.

You should put some of this in your comics.

[jdandns]

These complaints seem to have to do almost exclusively with DC and Marvel superhero comics.

If that's one's entire prism of viewing what comics are, they are and have been sorely missing out. 

I like the old superhero comics of my youth well enough to have kept them all this time, but that's not where the good stuff is where comics are concerned, and hasn't been for a long time, well before people got waked, or wooked, or warked, or whatever nonsense word is being used this week. 

For the companies who specialize in that stuff, it's totally understandable they'd want to expand their audiences by putting different kinds of people in them. It's marketing, and in some cases, it's led to better stories, but the bar has been low for superheroes anyway, so putting a girl where there used to be a guy here and there certainly doesn't make them any worse, on average. The scale for DC and Marvel is much bigger than Van Sciver's and they therefore need a way bigger audience than his. Ethan gets by (apparently quite well) with a bunch of 35 to 40 year old dudes buying a bunch of non-comics stuff from him in between the seldom published actual comic books, which, while very well drawn, read like mid's 90's Image comics. That won't work for Marvel or DC. Whether they are correct in their assessment or not, they feel they can sell more comics to a wider section of the public who want more modern stories with characters that look like them. 

Ethan says he's got the inside stuff on creators who high-five him in secret, and that there are plenty of them. I'm surprised he accepts those accolades from people who won't do what he's done which is tell the truth about what he thinks, and strive on in the business he loves on the sheer strength of his own personality and undeniable talent for drawing. You're complaining about the wrong people. Make some comics about those two-faced cowards, sir. I'd read those. If they all did what you did, maybe things would be different in the superhero comics industry. 

In the meantime, middle-aged men picking on various people because Superman and Spidey aren't exactly the way they were when we were 12 just strikes me as a waste of energy, especially for the talented.

[Funnybooks]

On 9/4/2022 at 12:22 PM, Ethan Van Sciver said:

Well, I'm an entertainer, and I do have a persona that I've adopted to make the message that I convey more fun to listen to.  And "Comics" isn't a "Community," it's a hobby and an industry.  As such, nobody has any obligations to abide by a set of community standards.

The message is that "Woke" isn't a good additive for comics, and that those who insist that it must be are poisonous to this hobby and the business.  "Forced Diversity," or intentional ethnic, gender or sexuality quotas, aren't a replacement for good stories.

EVERYONE who isn't a political activist for social justice agrees with this.  Many are afraid to say anything, or they'll lose their jobs.  I hear from big name pros all of the time in private who cheer me on.  I'm happy to keep going.

Talking about it openly has meant being shunned, deplatformed, and canceled.  It's amazing.  It's almost as if this line of thinking is being imposed on comics forcibly and on penalty of ostracization.

Feel free to disagree. But also, you'll prove me right when this Forum bans me.

who invited this guy? 

[Lazyboy]

On 9/4/2022 at 11:22 AM, Ethan Van Sciver said:

Well, I'm an entertainer, and I do have a persona that I've adopted to make the message that I convey more fun to listen to.  And "Comics" isn't a "Community," it's a hobby and an industry.  As such, nobody has any obligations to abide by a set of community standards.

The message is that "Woke" isn't a good additive for comics, and that those who insist that it must be are poisonous to this hobby and the business.  "Forced Diversity," or intentional ethnic, gender or sexuality quotas, aren't a replacement for good stories.

EVERYONE who isn't a political activist for social justice agrees with this.  Many are afraid to say anything, or they'll lose their jobs.  I hear from big name pros all of the time in private who cheer me on.  I'm happy to keep going.

Talking about it openly has meant being shunned, deplatformed, and canceled.  It's amazing.  It's almost as if this line of thinking is being imposed on comics forcibly and on penalty of ostracization.

Feel free to disagree. But also, you'll prove me right when this Forum bans me.

When you get banned, it will be because you broke the rules with the inevitable ridiculous political rant.

By the way, if you don't like social justice in comics, you should have abandoned comics about 84 years ago.

[jsilverjanet]

Didn’t someone tell the Noob that posts like his should be saved for Friday nights 

[Ethan Van Sciver]

On 9/4/2022 at 2:19 PM, Lazyboy said:

When you get banned, it will be because you broke the rules with the inevitable ridiculous political rant.

By the way, if you don't like social justice in comics, you should have abandoned comics about 84 years ago.

That'll be up to the moderators of this board.

I don't mind any political stance in comics. Everyone should be able to speak their mind without consequence in this business and in this hobby.  It's not that social justice exists, it's that ONLY social justice exists, because activists use mob tactics to silence other viewpoints with Cancel Culture.

On 9/4/2022 at 2:16 PM, jdandns said:

These complaints seem to have to do almost exclusively with DC and Marvel superhero comics.

If that's one's entire prism of viewing what comics are, they are and have been sorely missing out. 

I like the old superhero comics of my youth well enough to have kept them all this time, but that's not where the good stuff is where comics are concerned, and hasn't been for a long time, well before people got waked, or wooked, or warked, or whatever nonsense word is being used this week. 

For the companies who specialize in that stuff, it's totally understandable they'd want to expand their audiences by putting different kinds of people in them. It's marketing, and in some cases, it's led to better stories, but the bar has been low for superheroes anyway, so putting a girl where there used to be a guy here and there certainly doesn't make them any worse, on average. The scale for DC and Marvel is much bigger than Van Sciver's and they therefore need a way bigger audience than his. Ethan gets by (apparently quite well) with a bunch of 35 to 40 year old dudes buying a bunch of non-comics stuff from him in between the seldom published actual comic books, which, while very well drawn, read like mid's 90's Image comics. That won't work for Marvel or DC. Whether they are correct in their assessment or not, they feel they can sell more comics to a wider section of the public who want more modern stories with characters that look like them. 

Ethan says he's got the inside stuff on creators who high-five him in secret, and that there are plenty of them. I'm surprised he accepts those accolades from people who won't do what he's done which is tell the truth about what he thinks, and strive on in the business he loves on the sheer strength of his own personality and undeniable talent for drawing. You're complaining about the wrong people. Make some comics about those two-faced cowards, sir. I'd read those. If they all did what you did, maybe things would be different in the superhero comics industry. 

In the meantime, middle-aged men picking on various people because Superman and Spidey aren't exactly the way they were when we were 12 just strikes me as a waste of energy, especially for the talented.

I don't encourage other professionals to join ComicsGate because it's a tough road.  Everyone has to make a living and not everyone knows what to do with this kind of freedom.   

Many still join us anyhow.  Dale Keown, Shane Davis, Ken Rocafort, many others...they're all doing just fine with our club, and they're enjoying their newfound freedom.  I think they're all making more money, too.

CYBERFROG is great fun.  I just want to make the ultimate graphic novel, offered in 100 page installments every year or so.  It's working pretty well, and I own it all.  To think that I worked for 20 years and can't reprint any of my own work...That's work for hire.

I don't want to fight with the board members here.  I wish you all well.

EVS