What's the most over-hyped/over-priced comic in your opinion? 3 3

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/30/2022 at 9:09 AM, Qalyar said:

Looks like ebay finally noticed and purged all of these... for now.

I just reported one this morning on a piece of Eric Larson art, posted about half of what the current Larson going rate is.

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/28/2022 at 11:55 AM, D2 said:

I'd love to hear, I know this is off topic, but reads that people believe have aged well, considering... and could be rendered in the 'timeless' category.

Claremont's run on X-Men for sure, and I'd also post up the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine limited series.

[mephistopheles]

On 11/30/2022 at 12:17 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Claremont's run on X-Men for sure, and I'd also post up the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine limited series.

Just bought full Wolverine and Kitty series last month (I had half the series in my longbox). Wouldn't be surprised to see Kitty in MCU.

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/30/2022 at 9:35 AM, mephistopheles said:

Just bought full Wolverine and Kitty series last month (I had half the series in my longbox). Wouldn't be surprised to see Kitty in MCU.

I was kind of ribbin D2 a little bit, but I honestly really like that story. I read it when I was a young teenager and the Wolverine mentor concept resonated with me. I'm sure it doesn't age well - but the memories I have of that series trump how well it ages. The lesson of discipline that Kitty learns is a great theme.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Dr. Balls

[D2]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:17 AM, Dr. Balls said:

Claremont's run on X-Men for sure, and I'd also post up the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine limited series.

I have actually never read that mini before, but I’ve seen it posted up for recommended reads. I will go buy a trade of this now

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/30/2022 at 12:08 PM, D2 said:

I have actually never read that mini before, but I’ve seen it posted up for recommended reads. I will go buy a trade of this now

I'd be interested on your take on it - especially since you've never read it before. I have no idea how it would hold up to a modern read.

Which, speaking of, I'm surprised comics aren't doing what movies are doing - and doing "remakes" of storylines. I'm sure most people would view it as sacrilege on some stories, but it might make for interesting modern reads.

[mephistopheles]

On 11/30/2022 at 3:16 PM, Dr. Balls said:

I'd be interested on your take on it - especially since you've never read it before. I have no idea how it would hold up to a modern read.

Which, speaking of, I'm surprised comics aren't doing what movies are doing - and doing "remakes" of storylines. I'm sure most people would view it as sacrilege on some stories, but it might make for interesting modern reads.

For God's sake don't give them ideas. Facsimile editions are bad enough. 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 11/30/2022 at 11:17 AM, Dr. Balls said:

Claremont's run on X-Men for sure, and I'd also post up the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine limited series.

The art on the Kitty/Wolvy mini was awful.  I tried to enjoy it....but just couldn’t.

[Dr. Balls]

On 11/30/2022 at 1:49 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

The art on the Kitty/Wolvy mini was awful.  I tried to enjoy it....but just couldn’t.

Wasn’t that Al Milgrom? I can’t remember.

[B2D327]

On 11/30/2022 at 3:56 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Wasn’t that Al Milgrom? I can’t remember.

Yes

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 11/30/2022 at 3:56 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Wasn’t that Al Milgrom? I can’t remember.

Unfortunately....yes

[NewWorldOrder]

Anything greggy owns! 

[Ken Aldred]

On 11/30/2022 at 8:56 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Wasn’t that Al Milgrom? I can’t remember.

 

On 11/30/2022 at 9:39 PM, B2D327 said:

Yes

He was very prolific during that period.

[Lazyboy]

On 11/30/2022 at 1:16 PM, Dr. Balls said:

I'd be interested on your take on it - especially since you've never read it before. I have no idea how it would hold up to a modern read.

Which, speaking of, I'm surprised comics aren't doing what movies are doing - and doing "remakes" of storylines. I'm sure most people would view it as sacrilege on some stories, but it might make for interesting modern reads.

Not that I can blame you for not paying attention to Marvel, but...

[jdandns]

On 11/30/2022 at 3:36 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

Are you only disagreeing because you profited from a sale? I would be happy to have had trash around the home to sell at a premium; Doesn't make the people buying trash any more sensible to me.

No, more because enough people agreed that it wasn't trash in a such a way that rendered it literally no longer trash. It's not like the one I sold is the only one of those that sold for a decent sum in some one-off fluke. Multiple copies have sold for even more than the one I had, and this has been occurring over a sustained period now. Indeed, I only thought to list my copy when I saw what several others had already sold for. I understand the desire some people have that only their own opinion to matter in this regard, but the market isn't driven by what people won't pay for things they don't like, but rather by what others will pay for things they do like. I never expected it to happen with this stuff I merely considered reference material, as I said,  but here we are. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by jdandns

[wardevil0]

On 12/1/2022 at 3:08 AM, jdandns said:

No, more because enough people agreed that it wasn't trash in a such a way that rendered it literally no longer trash. It's not like the one I sold is the only one of those that sold for a decent sum in some one-off fluke. Multiple copies have sold for even more than the one I had, and this has been occurring over a sustained period now. Indeed, I only thought to list my copy when I saw what several others had already sold for. I understand the desire some people have that only their own opinion to matter in this regard, but the market isn't driven by what people won't pay for things they don't like, but rather by what others will pay for things they do like. I never expected it to happen with this stuff I merely considered reference material, as I said,  but here we are. 

But this is exactly what a lot of us are afraid of when it comes to "overhyped and overpriced" being bad for the hobby at large.  It only takes a few sales for something to be expensive because it's expensive.  People (speculators, investors, influencers) see a high price paid by a few individuals and propagate that high price throughout the market.  For most major keys, the reasoning for its value lies in its contents (first appearance, iconic cover, death of a character, etc) but for some of these "overhyped" candidates the value lies only in its previous perceived value. This is expressed as Goodhart's Law: when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.  The measure of a key used to be the significance of the issue which was reflected by the steadily climbing aftermarket price as more fans wanted the issue, but often now a comic can be considered a key because the price has already skyrocketed without regard to the significance.  This is why people have to use KeyCollector or GoCollect or whatever to tell them which modern books are rising in price; otherwise there's no real way to know.  

Those of us who collected through the 90s should understand this.  Gimmick covers (with higher cover prices to inflate the revenue), first issues of new derivative series (that often were also gimmick covers like Punisher War Zone, Force Works, Silver Sable...), overextended events (Clone Saga, X-Cutioner's Song...), multiple monthly price guides who each had to try to outdo each other with their own "hot 10" list (Wizard, Hero Illustrated, Comic Values Monthly, Overstreet Fan...), and new universes emerging fully formed without natural development (Ultraverse, Comic's Greatest World, Triumphant Universe, Tekno Comics...) pumped up the bubble until it burst.  It's basically a Ponzi scheme that eventually leaves someone holding the bag, and that someone will likely have a lot of unsellable copies of modern variants, non-continuity preview appearances, and independent series believed to be "the next Walking dead."

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 12/1/2022 at 3:08 AM, jdandns said:

No, more because enough people agreed that it wasn't trash in a such a way that rendered it literally no longer trash. It's not like the one I sold is the only one of those that sold for a decent sum in some one-off fluke. Multiple copies have sold for even more than the one I had, and this has been occurring over a sustained period now. Indeed, I only thought to list my copy when I saw what several others had already sold for. I understand the desire some people have that only their own opinion to matter in this regard, but the market isn't driven by what people won't pay for things they don't like, but rather by what others will pay for things they do like. I never expected it to happen with this stuff I merely considered reference material, as I said,  but here we are. 

It's a Previews magazine that's being touted by flippers as a "first appearance". It's snake oil, fool's gold. People buy NFTs, too. This is simply a very bad argument.

[ThothAmon]

On 12/1/2022 at 6:04 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

It's a Previews magazine that's being touted by flippers as a "first appearance". It's snake oil, fool's gold. People buy NFTs, too. This is simply a very bad argument.

I disagree. The Previews often have an original cover by the artist that makes excellent fodder for Signature Series. Plus the best collectibles are rarely considered collectible when collected or something like that. 

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 12/1/2022 at 9:07 AM, ThothAmon said:

I disagree. The Previews often have an original cover by the artist that makes excellent fodder for Signature Series. Plus the best collectibles are rarely considered collectible when collected or something like that.

Not today, Satan.

[ThothAmon]

On 12/1/2022 at 8:15 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

Satan

Are you saying I’m Satan or are you signing your post?