I always like when art was added:

On 2/12/2024 at 11:46 PM, paulailp said:

I originally sent it to him because it was graded as poor restoration, he guaranteed me that he could get it ti an 8 with professional restoration.  
 

now it looks like a pile of junk. I’m putting off going through it because I am so stressed and disappointed. 

You are going to need to do a page count and see if the staples were returned as well.

I am not a restorer but I would have assumed one of the earlier processes would have been to leaf case the edges; outside of disassembly it doesn't really look like anything was done. Was the cover worse than the internal pages?

On 2/12/2024 at 6:57 AM, lostboys said:

Its not simply supply and demand.

 

New Mutants 87 & 98 are far from scarce but they are not cheap.

 

Same goes for ASM keys...194, 238, 252, 300, 316, 361

 

These books are everywhere but still, they are not cheap.

 

Ive even heard boardies refer to ASM129 and IH181 in the same way.

 

They are everywhere.

 

Of the entire print run for Hulk 181 there are currently 14k blue labels, 1200 green, 1500 SS, and 1k restored. Lets assume all labels are correct and round up to an even 18k. That is the current graded supply, do you believe that there are only 18k people who collect comics and want this book? I do not believe you actually understand supply & demand as even in your reply you are trying to conflate it with scarcity which even if you tried that angle you would still be brought back to the low supply, as there are only 157 total 9.8 books. You do not start getting into an actual "supply" until the 7.0-8.5 range which still only have 1400-1500 represented copies in each grade.

The "first" appearance of Wolverine makes this book collectible; it would have had to have a print run of X-Men(1991) proportions to drown demand level to a rock bottom price. Even then; it might not matter given the GPA of what Spawn #1 is selling for now and it's print run.

Anyone submit during megacon and still not see their submission show up? Have an email out to CS; but wondering if they are just being slow.

You have already received some good information; once you catalog the books ( I would just use a simple google doc ) you can share the doc here and the community can very easily pin point anything of extreme value as there are some bronze issues that absolutely should be graded. Also; I don't know if it is all Marvel/DC but bronze is still within the prime age for independent books that are surprisingly healthy in value.

Hold their value, no. Still have value, yes.

There is always a pretty active aftermarket for these, but the sales are going to be significantly lower than purchase cost. As long as they are NM your older Zenoscope books 2015-16 will have no problem selling. As stated above if listed on Ebay (or send them to Mycomicshop) and as long as you are realistic with price you shouldn't have much to worry about movement wise.

Hopefully they are taking stock with a new streamlined service and adhere to advertised sale limitations; Art Adams books were oversold and now 6+ Months late, Jim Lee books are in the same boat but only a little over a month late. Per CGC's own terms if a signing has to be rescheduled the books are kept in the office vault, but these books are with the artist kept in unknown conditions.

CGC has refused all responsibility for the above delay and ignore most questions and tell you that they will get done when they get done so kick rocks loser (paraphrasing).

If you load the man CGC PAGE and scroll down half way you will see this:

Type in the certification number on the front of the slab:

On 2/6/2024 at 6:35 PM, seanlinc said:

when I find a flaw with a book I cannot unsee it

Luckily this doesn't happen often but sometimes I just cannot get past it; I had a Raphael #1 with a nasty color breaking spin bend at the staple. Unfortunately I bought the grade and not the book so was not exactly happy when I had it in hand. I held on to it as a lesson for almost 4 years and when I finally sold it, I actually hated even looking at any Raph #1.

It can be exact opposite as well; Most of my single digit Millie the Model books are in the 6.0 range and I see the flaws on them as charm since the book was enjoyed by someone...

Comic collecting is just weird man.

On 2/5/2024 at 1:43 PM, NWOslave said:

what are the current tat for signature events?

Art Adams still has a large portion of books still in SFG due to not being done and very slowly trickling back in from the original signing last summer.

Jim Lee is now in the same boat as he has a sketches and remarques that are not completed from the original 11/28 signing.

When asked CGC gives a cut/paste reply about being the victim of large orders and they will eventually get done; until then kick rocks.

On 2/6/2024 at 10:30 AM, revat said:

I understand being new to comics, but people aren't new to asking for help.  And some folks can't do the barest bit of minimum research themselves, but magically they can find a related forum, sign up to make an ID, post a new thread, and ask random strangers for free help.

I am the one that suggested they post this on the CGC forums (from their original FB post) due to the knowledgeable and helpful community since they didn't really know where to even start. It seems I was really incorrect in that assumption.

Welcome to the forums: some of the names we have already identified on FB and some new ones:

1. Dan Harmon
2. Justin Roiland
3. Jim Lee
4. Stan Lee
5. Adam Hughes
6. Mike Mignola
7. Scottie Young
8. Amanda Connner
9. Mike McCone
10. Tony Daniel
11. Frank Cho
12.  

On 2/5/2024 at 8:46 PM, Corvonie said:

if trimming is considered to devalue a book more than say, color touch or pieces added, etc.

I am sure others will reply with deeply thought out responses but I do not buy books that have been trimmed unless the price is at the very bottom of so low I can crack it out of the slab for a mylar and I just can not find anything comparable. Trimming when noted on the CGC label will and should net you the steepest discount for any restoration; though I use that loosely as I see trimming as destruction vice conservation (pieces add, rice paper, professional color touch, etc).

On 2/5/2024 at 1:03 PM, TEXASBOI said:

PUT THESE PARTICULAR COMICS UP IF YOU HAVE THEM GUYS, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL LEGITAMITE BOOKS THAT WERE CREATED AND PRINTED BY A LEGAL DISNEY SUBSIDIARY AND KNOWN COMIC ARTIST! YES HIS ASSOCIATE TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE CONCERNING HIS STAMPED SIGNATURE CONTAINING HIS BLOOD, BUT IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR BOOKS! IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOOKS WERE PULLED FROM THE SHELVES BY "AVENGERS STATION" FOR POSSIBLE LEGAL REASON AND RETURNED TO THE PUBLISHER FOR A REFUND. THE ONLY THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR BY THE PUBLISHER WAS IF THEY DESTROYED THE UNSOLD LOT OR WAS IT STASHED! THEY WERE LIMITED EDTION PRINTS ALREADY AND DID NOT HAVE A HIGH RUN COUNT! SO NO MATTER THE STORY BEHIND THESE PARTICULAR COMIC BOOKS....IF YOU STILL HAVE YOURS YOU COULD BE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE, ESPECIALLY IF THE PUBLISHER DESTROYED THE RETURNED COMICS! IF YOU GUYS BELIEVE IT TO STILL BE A SCAM....I AM WILLING TO PURCHASE YOUR BOOKS AT A FAIR PRICE AND WILL COVER THE SHIPPING...LOL

You should totally believe this poster!

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On 2/5/2024 at 8:41 AM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

List of bad stuff

Also currently happening as of November; a moderator regime change in the registry (and behind the scenes), CGC has completely changed the definition of what a variant and reprint are. When questioned they blamed past employee's and tried to gaslight that it has "always been like this" even when shown their own definitions on the website. In a couple months when they do the next registry push and people come back and see their books have been removed and are told to "lol, just create a custom set" it will and already is currently to late.

On 2/4/2024 at 7:19 PM, Maboc said:

Why is it always on us to contact the team? Why is it so hard to literally just post the same email that they send out when asked about it. There is tons of activity on social media. It would take 10 minutes to make a post on IG, FB, Twitter, these forums etc. Instead, we get left in the dark, after paying for a service, that at this point almost seems like it may not happen. With all the recent bad press and scandals CGC is involved in, wouldn't literally doing the bare minimum be a good thing?

Because it would appear that it is easier to deflect and ignore than provide the basic CS that used to be offered. Everyone in this thread knows what @CardinalBadger is asking, the reply is very telling and has been the same reply others have received; so I assume it is the current official mandate.

On 2/2/2024 at 2:40 PM, Eric Johansen said:

Have any of you guys ever had CGC lose your books?  I sent in a comic (Avengers #1, 2015) for a recent Chris Hemsworth signing.  The book was previously signed by Samuel L Jackson and graded at 9.8.  I sent the slabbed book in with a declared value of $400, as this was the value of the book in its current condition.  A few months after the signing, CGC eventually emailed me and said they lost my book and offered me a $400 store credit.  I told them the book had since been signed for this send-in service and was now worth closer to $750 due to the cost of the current signing which it now received.  CGC said they didn’t care about what I spent on the signing and would only reimburse me for the previous value of the book.  When I asked for a manager and inquired about another book I fear they also lost, they stopped responding.  Have any of you guys had CGC lose your items?  Also, when you send in your books for a signing, do you typically declare the actual value of the book in its current state or declare the future value the book will hold after the signing is completed?  I feel like the “guarantee” portion of Certified Guarantee Company is missing here and my premium membership isn’t feeling very premium right now. 

Yes, CGC has lost an alarming number of books over the last couple of years. It is becoming an epidemic.

Since you only valued the book at $400 that is all they are likely to give you, I do assume this is adjustable but you'd probably have to sign an NDA. Unfortunately you do not have much recourse but make sure you get all of your money back and not store credit unless you trust them enough to keep sending books.

• $400 - Declared value of book
• $355 - Cost of Hemsworth signing
• $25 - Shipping/Handling from submission form

This should total $780 and this does not make you whole, it just nulls the transaction and leaves you without actual compensation. Store credit is free CGC money so should not have 1:1 value since you are just giving them more business and chances to lose more of your property.

On 2/2/2024 at 7:23 PM, buttock said:

You mean something along the lines of pursuing legal action? 

if it were criminal legal action then yes. CGC is perusing civil action against a defendant that will prove to be judgement proof, so there will be no consequence for anyone. If this case actually appears before a judge it will likely be a default judgement; any financial verdict will be unenforceable, but it will be a nice looking piece of paper.

The ugly truth of a very sensationalized civil legal system is that it is very rare to actually receive any compensation as the plaintiff.

On 2/2/2024 at 9:13 PM, bluehorseshoe said:

...The PR stuff is still out there that you are fighting the good fight and pursuing legal action.

And as such: What if the complaint was filed with a “poison pill” added into it (in the form of insufficient pleading) to ensure exactly what happened, which was a dismissal of the complaint and the motion for injunctive relief? I mean are you paying all those lawyers all that money to prosecute this case, only to have the whole thing kicked 24 hours after filing because said lawyers weren’t smart enough to file a sufficiently pled complaint? And even though you have no lawsuit going because it got kicked, is that the worst thing if you can still live off the PR from filing it in the first place? Again, what in the world would be your incentive to refile this lawsuit?
 

It’s just weird.

 

I am assuming the first sentence above is the entire point of the filing. I have previously assisted with something like this in the past where the complaint filed is meant to be rejected by the court and used only to tell a one sided PR mitigating story favoring one party on public record. Civil court with all the huge financial verdicts are impotent unless the guilty party has actual property you can eventually file liens against.

The average American believes winning a civil suit mean you actually receive the financial assets of the verdict; that is rarely what happens.

Just for personal interest I do hope they refile as I was looking forward to reading all the interviews and employee statements that were to be exhibited to try and find a thread of a link between label swap guy who said they "knew someone on the inside, that was assisting them".

Just baseless supposition but given the increasing number of "CGC lost my books" posts on the forums over last couple of years, I find it hard to believe that this was only one person (and their wife) stealing books. I will be very interested once exhibits start being submitted and fully expect to see some testimony from now former employee's cooperating with CGC's attorney's.

On 2/2/2024 at 6:48 AM, Mikey C said:

During the big McFarlane signing at the end of 2022, they just stored all the books in a hallway. Maybe it’s a very secure hallway? 🤷‍♂️

There was also the pictures during the Scottie Young signing (now deleted) where he was in room with slabs laying on the metal shelves unprotected stacked on top of each other after being graded!

These shelves are just the chrome and black epoxy coated wire shelving sold at Restaurant Supply stores.

I agree... ! is BS. Using a QUOTE UNQUOTE exclamation mark to start a sentence when journalists are not getting paid what Stan Lee currently gets for signing comics is RE;PRESENT.

May the power of money be with us all, amen.

After not receiving a reply to CS email sent on Monday, I contacted them directly and received the same cut and paste message as above. There was no further reply when asked why we were not notified of the delay when they knew two months ago during the signing or the anticipated delay over the advertised six week turn around time.

On 1/31/2024 at 6:00 PM, BLEKA-TESA said:

....and Mockingbird in Marvel Team-Up #95 in 1980

On 1/31/2024 at 6:02 PM, BLEKA-TESA said:

Marvel Team-Up #95 CGC 9.8 1st appearance of Mockingbird

 

incorrect...read top

You might be confusing the character of Bobbi Morse with her superhero appearances as Agent 19 and Mockingbird, which are as you have copied in your first post different. Bobbi's first appearance may have been in Astonishing Tales #6 but the first appearance of the superhero Mockingbird was indeed in Marvel Team-Up #95.