PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[joecgcmaniac]

I'm still new and don't know much of the rules but I figured I pm him already and ask numerous times for status update on tracking I felt I was blown off twice with his statements of not receiving it and checking his records and mean while he continues to post up on other threads and what not and not trying to solve issues at hand.

 

Too me I felt I was in the right to file a dispute hoping he would take it into account of my concerns and reply and guess I was right because now he is concern.

 

I kept it between the seller and me and never went to this sale thread and started pointing fingers.

 

I already purchased one on eBay and it arrived pretty fast. Dispute will close once refund has been received.

 

I'm doing this to protect myself as the sales guidelines does state "at your own risk" and doesn't state anything as far as opening a dispute prior to 30 days.

 

Since you outed yourself I am going to have to stick to the rules.

 

You can close the dispute and I will refund your money.

Or, I can satisfy PayPal and mail you the book so you can have two copies.

 

Next time understand the rules.

 

Outed myself?

 

And 2 books? You stated you never sent any book out.

 

 

Take a moment and think.

 

You bought a copy already. He said he would mail you the book.

 

Hence, two copies.

 

And he didn't give your board name, you came forward. So you "outed" yourself.

[jaybuck43]

PhoKing, there was nothing in the initial post that would have disclosed your identify,you decided to identify yourself by posting in this thread. Joey did not even state which side of the transaction he was on. He kept it very hypothetical, at no point was he pointing fingers.

 

Pertaining to your disagreement, Joey sent you an invoice on 11/10/2013. At that point the 30 day clock begins to tick for you to pay. You paid on 11/12/2013, everything at this point is going fine. Now on 11/12/2013 the 30 day clock starts ticking for Joey to mail out the books. Yes many people want their books shipped out the day that they pay. It is frustrating when you have to wait. I also know that many people, even myself, have fallen behind on shipping and may take up to 3-4 weeks to ship. Does it suck? Sure.

 

You filed a Paypal dispute on 11/29/2013 (which would be 17 days after your payment, including weekends and holidays) You are within your right to file a paypal dispute if you are worried about the transaction. Again so far you haven't done anything wrong, though you may upset a seller but again there is nothing against doing that, it is your decision though many on these boards would consider it bad form.

 

On 11/30/2013 Joey asked you for shipping information which it does not sound like you provided back to him, instead referencing the invoice (which Joey may or may not have had)

 

On 12/01/2013 (today) you stated you bought a copy of the book elsewhere and you no longer wanted the copy from Joey. Unfortunately for you, the board rules are that unless stated conspicuously, the default terms are the 30 day rule (meaning both sides of the transaction have 30 days to complete their obligations) You did not allow Joey the 30 days necessary to complete his side of the transaction. So long as he sends out the book within that 30 day time period you need to take delivery and remove the dispute.

 

If you do not take delivery and remove the dispute in that situation then you would be in breach and eligible for the Probation List.

 

I hope that this information clears up any misconceptions you may have had and I hope that you and Joey can come to an amicable resolution.

 

[PhoKing]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

Edited December 2, 2013 by PhoKing

[joecgcmaniac]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

[thehumantorch]

Mongoose, Frank has already shown the paypal statement showing his refund for the book he forgot to send a few posts up in this thread. The refund is as clear as day. Frank's an honest seller and you're mistaken. Check your paypal account and you'll find the refund in your paypal history.

[PhoKing]

Update: Joeypost agreed to refund as I have taken his request into consideration to close. He stated he will refund once he gets home tonight.

 

By the way, I'm still confused by what he meant by sending me 2 books when I never received any in the first place in which I paid for.

[bababooey]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

Those are Arch's rules, the probation list is "managed" by the community & those rules are here.

See 1 a)

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4949997#Post4949997

[jaybuck43]

PhoKing, the 2 books was in reference to the fact that he would have sent you a duplicate copy of the book since you bought one off of eBay.

[joecgcmaniac]

Update: Joeypost agreed to refund as I have taken his request into consideration to close. He stated he will refund once he gets home tonight.

 

By the way, I'm still confused by what he meant by sending me 2 books when I never received any in the first place in which I paid for.

 

Read my post above.

 

You already bought a copy of the book from e-bay. That's one copy.

 

He was willing to still send the one you bought from him. That's the second copy.

 

He said that you would have two books after he sent the one you bought from him.

[PhoKing]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

[joecgcmaniac]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

 

this thread explains the 30 days rule.

[jaybuck43]

Ill make it easier and Copy/Paste it for you, maybe you are reading this on a phone?

 

1) The 30-Day Rule

a) If a transaction between board members is not completed within 30 days, the offended party may submit the offender's name for inclusion to the HOS/Probation List (hereafter called the PL)

 

b) If the transaction is agreed on by both parties to take longer than 30 days - for example, a transaction involving time payments over a longer time, the 30 day clock begins from the time the agreed upon conditions were violated.

 

c) The 30-day rule is suspended if the accused refuses to complete the transaction or if the transaction cannot be completed due to, for example, the item being sold to someone else.

 

d) A Transaction between board members is not confined to the CGC Message Boards. Any transaction between forum members, regardless of the venue, is eligible for inclusion in the PL.

[PhoKing]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

 

this thread explains the 30 days rule.

 

I read that and quite honestly it's so dang vague. Doesn't state anything about buyer never receiving what they paid for and can't file dispute without waiting 30 days.

 

Those rules just seems to mean both parties have 30 days to fully complete the transaction prior to nominating those involved to the probation list. No where does it state that jumping the gun to file a dispute is a no no but seems like it's more of a rule of thumb to not jump the gun. However in my case I felt it was more than fair as I have asked twice and the third time was to file a dispute to start the process with a mediator in between which is paypal to moderate the issue.

 

 

[PhoKing]

Ill make it easier and Copy/Paste it for you, maybe you are reading this on a phone?

 

1) The 30-Day Rule

a) If a transaction between board members is not completed within 30 days, the offended party may submit the offender's name for inclusion to the HOS/Probation List (hereafter called the PL)

 

b) If the transaction is agreed on by both parties to take longer than 30 days - for example, a transaction involving time payments over a longer time, the 30 day clock begins from the time the agreed upon conditions were violated.

 

c) The 30-day rule is suspended if the accused refuses to complete the transaction or if the transaction cannot be completed due to, for example, the item being sold to someone else.

 

d) A Transaction between board members is not confined to the CGC Message Boards. Any transaction between forum members, regardless of the venue, is eligible for inclusion in the PL.

 

yup an iphone not as good as a laptop or tablet.

 

But as stated in my previous post that rule is for probation or probation nomination. Doesn't state anything about me getting paypal involved to solve an issue.

 

The members here can say this and that about the buyer and the seller but doesn't mean the seller doesn't have to comply. That is why paypal dispute comes into play where and when you file a dispute paypal provides all forms of resolution to help resolve any issues.

 

Maybe I have a lot more to learn from being on this forum but I guess hearing what other long term members say does help in the future of purchases.

 

I have sold a hand full of things so far and as a seller in my own perspective, I prefer to send out what was paid for asap to my best ability but then again that is just me.

[joecgcmaniac]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

 

this thread explains the 30 days rule.

 

I read that and quite honestly it's so dang vague. Doesn't state anything about buyer never receiving what they paid for and can't file dispute without waiting 30 days.

 

Those rules just seems to mean both parties have 30 days to fully complete the transaction prior to nominating those involved to the probation list. No where does it state that jumping the gun to file a dispute is a no no but seems like it's more of a rule of thumb to not jump the gun. However in my case I felt it was more than fair as I have asked twice and the third time was to file a dispute to start the process with a mediator in between which is paypal to moderate the issue.

 

 

Just know that "jumping the gun" in regards to filing disputes will upset some sellers here. That may be enough for some sellers not to sell books to you anymore. It's not necessarily fair, but a few sellers don't want to deal with people they feel may cause them headaches.

[comicdonna]

Board members usually wait 30 days before filing a dispute with paypal, or probation nomination. Also, most bring it up here, before filing a dispute. Not posting an opinion on this, just facts about how things usually work.

[PhoKing]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

 

this thread explains the 30 days rule.

 

I read that and quite honestly it's so dang vague. Doesn't state anything about buyer never receiving what they paid for and can't file dispute without waiting 30 days.

 

Those rules just seems to mean both parties have 30 days to fully complete the transaction prior to nominating those involved to the probation list. No where does it state that jumping the gun to file a dispute is a no no but seems like it's more of a rule of thumb to not jump the gun. However in my case I felt it was more than fair as I have asked twice and the third time was to file a dispute to start the process with a mediator in between which is paypal to moderate the issue.

 

 

Just know that "jumping the gun" in regards to filing disputes will upset some sellers here. That may be enough for some sellers not to sell books to you anymore. It's not necessarily fair, but a few sellers don't want to deal with people they feel may cause them headaches.

 

WOW?!? Seriously? Now that is not fair but then again it's their property and they can choose who they do business with or not but still trying to punish somebody for protecting themselves because they filed a dispute can be considered extortion. It's like saying, "oh you paid? Well I have 30 days to send it out or provide tracking so you can't do anything until then."

 

 

[joecgcmaniac]

Where is this board rule? I read the sales guidelines which didn't state those rules.

 

This is what I see as for rules:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&page=1#Post1460472

 

Those are the rules. (thumbs u

 

I read that but no where does it state a rule for waiting 30 days for something you paid for. Or is it more of a "rule of thumb" per-say?

 

this thread explains the 30 days rule.

 

I read that and quite honestly it's so dang vague. Doesn't state anything about buyer never receiving what they paid for and can't file dispute without waiting 30 days.

 

Those rules just seems to mean both parties have 30 days to fully complete the transaction prior to nominating those involved to the probation list. No where does it state that jumping the gun to file a dispute is a no no but seems like it's more of a rule of thumb to not jump the gun. However in my case I felt it was more than fair as I have asked twice and the third time was to file a dispute to start the process with a mediator in between which is paypal to moderate the issue.

 

 

Just know that "jumping the gun" in regards to filing disputes will upset some sellers here. That may be enough for some sellers not to sell books to you anymore. It's not necessarily fair, but a few sellers don't want to deal with people they feel may cause them headaches.

 

WOW?!? Seriously? Now that is not fair but then again it's their property and they can choose who they do business with or not but still trying to punish somebody for protecting themselves because they filed a dispute can be considered extortion. It's like saying, "oh you paid? Well I have 30 days to send it out or provide tracking so you can't do anything until then."

 

 

Yes, seriously. And like was posted above, it's good etiquette to tell the seller you are going to file the claim, and not just do it. This is a community, not e-bay. Just because your book wasn't shipped within 3 weeks time, doesn't mean you just run and file a claim. Like I said, this will cause a few sellers to steer clear of you from now on.

[crassus]

 

WOW?!? Seriously? Now that is not fair but then again it's their property and they can choose who they do business with or not but still trying to punish somebody for protecting themselves because they filed a dispute can be considered extortion. It's like saying, "oh you paid? Well I have 30 days to send it out or provide tracking so you can't do anything until then."

 

 

Yes but in fairness it does work both ways. If a buyer delayed payment the seller would equally have to wait 30 days before pursuing the buyer. It is not weighted for or against one or the other.

[PhoKing]

 

WOW?!? Seriously? Now that is not fair but then again it's their property and they can choose who they do business with or not but still trying to punish somebody for protecting themselves because they filed a dispute can be considered extortion. It's like saying, "oh you paid? Well I have 30 days to send it out or provide tracking so you can't do anything until then."

 

 

Yes but in fairness it does work both ways. If a buyer delayed payment the seller would equally have to wait 30 days before pursuing the buyer. It is not weighted for or against one or the other.

 

I definitely agree. Most other forums don't have rules or laws like these. Usually when a buyer doesn't pay you move on but with comics I guess these are not just collections or hobbies but peoples jobs.

 

Well noted to let sellers know I'm bring the wraith of PayPal on them next time