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7 hours ago, KCOComics said:
9 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Apologies, never heard of him either -- neither of these two guys even show up in a Google search so I guess you need to be an old-time boardie to know about them?

(Correction:  "John Verzyl" gets me to the legacy web site but "Verzyl" alone got me nothing.)

"The Dentist" is a "legendary" GA collector. There have been rumors and sworn witnesses that say he's sitting on the highest graded copies of all the big boys. Tec 27, AC1 and so on.  

My understanding is, they are all raw.

John, I never met personally, but I understand he was just a great guy and a long time collector with an expansive collection. He was involved when collecting was in it's infancy and was able to grab a lot of spectacular books the rest of us just dream of. Not as mysterious as the dentist, but one of those guys like Mitch who helped build the hobby. 

I'm sure older boardies can share more details about these guys. I knew of the Dentist long before the boards. You would hear rumblings about him at various shows and corners of internet. John I didn't really know about until joining here. 

 

'The Dentist' is a nickname for Dave Anderson, who probably has the single best copy of every GA DC key out there (including the Church Action #1, etc).

John Verzyl owns (owned, he passed and his family now owns) nearly every single Church copy of every Timely printed with the rare exception of maybe 10 or 20 books. his Marvel Comics #1 is rumored to be a 9.8 (it's raw and was not slabbed) and his Captain America #1 was the Allentown (a CGC 9.8 now)

The reason I mentioned these two guys is because they were rare visionaries that spent the 'crazy money' to acquire 'the best of the best' while everyone else was happy to sell them their books and take their money.

If the people selling them millions of $s in comics were also visionaries they'd never have sold the books, right?

In fact, during a crash, when the Gary Keller books came back to market through Heritage (huge runs of GA DCs from the Church pedigree) and sold for a fraction of what he paid for them just a few years prior, it was guys like Verzyl that saw the value in the books and bought them all as they came back to market, while most avoided them.

These guys put their money where their mouths were but these types of people are also as rare as hens teeth.

And they don't just spend frivolously. They're pretty careful with their money and what they buy.

I've never met Anderson but I can say Verzyl was a friend and a fun guy to be around. He set up at every SD Comic Con except for 1 IIRC until the time he passed away tragically a few years ago.

Verzyl could talk your ear off, which was fun if you had the time and some of my funniest and favorite moments were deals with him.

We once did a coin flip because we couldn't agree on a price on his Strange Tales #110 CGC 9.4 Circle 8 copy. We flipped a quarter for a $2500 discount and i won. lol

He did those coin flips often.

He also sold me my 1st Batman #1 around 2010 or so. It was a raw restored copy. I believe it was in Orlando and I did a coin flip for that one too and lost and he got an extra $500 on that book.

He was a legend in the hobby.

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5 hours ago, Austin_t_a said:

Why did GoCollect drop the value of X-Men 1 so far down in all grades?

Their algo is probably just sorting out recent sales prices in all grades.

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On 7/1/2021 at 7:05 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Just curious ... all these folks saying that these books are "still cheap," are you putting your money where your mouth is?

For a Specific book, I can say I absolutely swung at every copy in a price range from January to now. Not X1, but IH1. For "any" book, no, typically if I own multiples it is to upgrade, now is not the best time to upgrade on nearly all keys.  A couple years back I did buy multiples of IH181 to sell later. Should have held them a little longer...

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9 hours ago, Austin_t_a said:

The .5 on CLink sold for $7500 :whatthe:

But the 1.8 sold for less?

 

Indeed. Feel pretty good about it having got the 1.8. It was very odd though… I wasn’t bidding on the 0.5 but I was watching it as it ended 20 seconds after the 1.8 and it was trailing by about 1,000 the entire auction until the 1.8 ended then the 0.5 jumped to 7500 in the final seconds from like 6,100. I would guess that those bidding on the 0.5 saw the entire auction that the 1.8 was going for more and just stopped following the 1.8 and assumed it was going to jump to 8k+ in the final seconds and they’d be priced out but that never happened, and they still threw in their final bids on the 0.5

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1 hour ago, wiparker824 said:

Indeed. Feel pretty good about it having got the 1.8. It was very odd though… I wasn’t bidding on the 0.5 but I was watching it as it ended 20 seconds after the 1.8 and it was trailing by about 1,000 the entire auction until the 1.8 ended then the 0.5 jumped to 7500 in the final seconds from like 6,100. I would guess that those bidding on the 0.5 saw the entire auction that the 1.8 was going for more and just stopped following the 1.8 and assumed it was going to jump to 8k+ in the final seconds and they’d be priced out but that never happened, and they still threw in their final bids on the 0.5

That 1.8 is a great pickup, congrats on joining the club!  I think your theory is probably right, the 1.8 was definitely an anomaly in the trend of this book.

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1 hour ago, Mdrguy101 said:

Saw an X Men 1 CGC 4.0 sell for $13,642.96 at auction last night on eBay. Presented pretty well. Seems awfully low, no?

 

 

Does seem low. Someone got a good deal as the book looks nice.  Unfortunate for the seller.  
 

That’s why when I sell on the bay, to use fixed price so that final auction prices don’t make me disappointed.  

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Wow.  That same Xm1 4.0 discussed above has sold 4 times since late 2019, for 5400 in Oct2019, 6995 in Jan2020, for 9150 in Feb2021, and for 13643 yesterday.  Yesterday's sale was way low even limiting the inquiry to GPA data.  A 3.5 sold in May for $15.6K and even a 3.0 sold on 6/28 just days ago for $15.6K.  Maybe there is something about the book (not really evident to me from the scan despite others' comments above, but perhaps the grader's notes?) that explains the result.  So perhaps it's no coincidence that the most recent prior sale for 9150 in Feb2021 was also considerably lower than the sale just days before for $10700 and the sale just days afterwards for 11600!   

If the book is fine for the grade, I agree that the shortened and late-ending auction on a Saturday night and the high listed shipping cost from Canada couldn't have helped matters.    

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4 minutes ago, Bluemedgroup said:

Well I think it’s a decent looking 4.0.  Plus it has no marvel chipping as well.  
 

Looks like I overpaid for my 4.0 a few months ago then. My copy below. Dang. 

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Nice book, decent Stan sig with excellent placement. From this pic, almost looks like the book would benefit from a C&P.

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