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[Brock]

Here you go:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8574801&fpart=1

 

Apparently, Murphman13 is now taking applications for the pregnant pole vaulting team...

 

Sure, but don't you think "Moderns That Are Cooling Off" is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel? 99.9% of Modern Drek gets hot for 15 seconds, then dies off and is never heard from again.

 

Shooting fish in a barrel is an ancient tradition among my people.

[Jeffro.]

A comic is not a key until it becomes a key

[Jaydogrules]

Imagine if Marvel had the chance to redo the wedding issue in todays market. They would have 40 different variant covers and turn it into an 8 part mini series.

 

Actually they kind of are doing that with this dumb renew your vows thing...

 

^

 

-J.

[joe_collector]

A comic is not a key until comic-keys restores it.

[Hamlet]

I just dont think anyone has to care for it to be a Key. Legends 3 was always a Key in the run because it was a first appearance. That made it different from the surrounding issues.

 

Doesnt matter who liked it or if it was hot or worth a lot of money.

 

Key, is a key, is a key. There has to be a reason or distinction about the book. Being HOT has nothing to do with it IMO.

 

I really don't think you can truly separate popularity being an important component of being a key. Otherwise, you need to say that every first appearance, no matter how trivial is by definition a key.

 

Take ASM. Is the first Rocket Racer a key book? The first Big Wheel? The first Spider-kid?

 

There are dozens of mostly throwaway first appearances in that run. Are they all keys? Nope. The ones that collectors deem important are, and that is mostly about popularity.

 

If one of them becomes more popular for whatever reason, and people start to care about that character and seek out its first appearance, it may become a key (see Rocket Raccoon), but the first appearance of every single throwaway character can't really be considered a key, or there would be more keys than non-keys.

 

 

 

[faster friends]

Good Point!

[500Club]

I look at keys as A-list, B-list, C-list, etc There are a ton of minor keys out there, that I usually qualify as such.

[joe_collector]

Take ASM. Is the first Rocket Racer a key book? The first Big Wheel? The first Spider-kid?

 

Yes Yes No

[Hamlet]

Take ASM. Is the first Rocket Racer a key book? The first Big Wheel? The first Spider-kid?

 

Yes Yes No

 

What do you have against Spider-kid? Sure, he's no Big Wheel , but a first appearance is a first appearance.

[divad]

Seems Marvel is intent on splitting up Peter and MJ so why would people be interested in the Wedding issue now.

 

Maybe the divorce issue will become the next hot thing...

 

Maybe they realize that current Marvel is random disconnected garbage so they want something that isn't?

 

Just finished reading the Wedding Annual & "random disconnected garbage" seems to fit it pretty well also. Why would Marvel have a big event marriage issue & assign Paul Ryan & Vince Colletta as the artists.

 

Tru-dat.

[divad]

That one book i never have to spend time grading in order to sell at a premium

 

Comic Rule #245 - Never trust sellers when it comes around to declaring a comic "Key".

 

I want to know where the rest of the list is . . .

[divad]

Here you go:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8574801&fpart=1

 

Apparently, Murphman13 is now taking applications for the pregnant pole vaulting team...

 

Sure, but don't you think "Moderns That Are Cooling Off" is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel? 99.9% of Modern Drek gets hot for 15 seconds, then dies off and is never heard from again.

 

Shooting fish in a barrel is an ancient tradition among my people.

[Jeffro.]

Seems Marvel is intent on splitting up Peter and MJ so why would people be interested in the Wedding issue now.

 

Maybe the divorce issue will become the next hot thing...

 

Maybe they realize that current Marvel is random disconnected garbage so they want something that isn't?

 

Just finished reading the Wedding Annual & "random disconnected garbage" seems to fit it pretty well also. Why would Marvel have a big event marriage issue & assign Paul Ryan & Vince Colletta as the artists.

 

Tru-dat.

 

Yeah, pathetic. Ryan with a good inker would have been okay, but Colletta? He never met a penciled page he didn't obliterate

[FineCollector]

.. but the first appearance of every single throwaway character can't really be considered a key, or there would be more keys than non-keys.

 

Many "keys" are trivial and uninteresting. What people are doing now is fabricating keys, and hoping people swallow the hook. Dealers with stockpiles of junk are happy to oblige, and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

For collectors of Rocket Racer, his first appearance is a key for that character. It's just there aren't many collectors of Rocket Racer, so most don't acknowledge the book as a key. For collectors of Spider-man, his wedding is certainly a key issue. It's true that there are a lot of books that are keys for more general reasons that appeal to a wide variety of collectors, and those understandably are more valuable and considered more important keys.

[Hamlet]

.. but the first appearance of every single throwaway character can't really be considered a key, or there would be more keys than non-keys.

 

Many "keys" are trivial and uninteresting. What people are doing now is fabricating keys, and hoping people swallow the hook. Dealers with stockpiles of junk are happy to oblige, and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

 

Except that I don't think many of those Wolverine 80s are being sold to new kids starting to collect. They are being sold by smart speculators to foolish speculators.

[joe_collector]

For collectors of Rocket Racer, his first appearance is a key for that character. It's just there aren't many collectors of Rocket Racer, so most don't acknowledge the book as a key. For collectors of Spider-man, his wedding is certainly a key issue. It's true that there are a lot of books that are keys for more general reasons that appeal to a wide variety of collectors, and those understandably are more valuable and considered more important keys.

 

So, by this logic, every single book ever printed could be deemed a "key issue" by a sub-section of the hobby?

 

Fine, but we're talking about "hobby-wide keys" that have been accepted as important books by a significant portion of the collecting base.

[joe_collector]

and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

 

Uh, no, I don't see too many "experts" recommending you buy volatile Modern drek.

 

"Quality over quantity" means that rather than buying huge lots of generic books or longboxes to get "perceived value" (and then toss out 99% of it) collectors should zone in on the character, series, era, artist, etc. that they like and pursue books using a more structured approach.

[FlyingDonut]

and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

 

Uh, no, I don't see too many "experts" recommending you buy volatile Modern drek.

 

"Quality over quantity" means that rather than buying huge lots of generic books or longboxes to get "perceived value" (and then toss out 99% of it) collectors should zone in on the character, series, era, artist, etc. that they like and pursue books using a more structured approach.

 

"What I collect rules, what you collect sucks."

[awakeintheashes]

and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

 

Uh, no, I don't see too many "experts" recommending you buy volatile Modern drek.

 

"Quality over quantity" means that rather than buying huge lots of generic books or longboxes to get "perceived value" (and then toss out 99% of it) collectors should zone in on the character, series, era, artist, etc. that they like and pursue books using a more structured approach.

Buying moderns for future value may not be wise, but the quality of the modern books currently being put out by smaller publishers and Image is very high.