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[Hado]

Full figure in costume, name clearly stated.

 

That's a Wolverine Cameo alright.

 

[Greatest Lantern]

2nd appearance in cameo? With #30 being 2nd full appearance

[MrWeen]

I think Wolverine's 2nd appearance is worth more than his first.

 

[MrWeen]

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

I read it for the articles.

 

I read it for the accurate definition of what a first appearance is.

 

[mr_highgrade]

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

I read it for the articles.

 

I read it for the accurate definition of what a first appearance is.

 

 

 

 

 

Pre-dates Marvel Graphic Novel #4. First appearance anywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shark]

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

 

yes, lots of people.

 

So far, at least two.

 

Make it 3. I have a complete set of Overstreets and I'm proud of that. At least I think I'm proud of that....

[divad]

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

 

yes, lots of people.

 

So far, at least two.

 

Make it 3. I have a complete set of Overstreets and I'm proud of that. At least I think I'm proud of that....

 

4 - I use my spiral-bound Big Book all the time for reference (the print's larger ) but, certainly not for pricing.

[MrWeen]

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

 

yes, lots of people.

 

So far, at least two.

 

Make it 3. I have a complete set of Overstreets and I'm proud of that. At least I think I'm proud of that....

 

4 - I use my spiral-bound Big Book all the time for reference (the print's larger ) but, certainly not for pricing.

 

I love going into one of my favorite shops and seeing the guy who restocks the back issues using the spiral-bound Overstreet for pricing.

[AGGIEZ]

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

I read it for the articles.

 

I read it for the accurate definition of what a first appearance is.

 

 

 

I don't think many would argue with that definition. It's typically the "1st FULL appearance" that the market tends to gravitate towards and some people just can't handle the fact that buyers want Hulk #181 (1st Full) way more than their stacks of Hulk #180 (1st) ...

[ygogolak]

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

 

yes, lots of people.

 

So far, at least two.

 

Make it 3. I have a complete set of Overstreets and I'm proud of that. At least I think I'm proud of that....

 

4 - I use my spiral-bound Big Book all the time for reference (the print's larger ) but, certainly not for pricing.

 

Exactly, I like shops that still use it though

 

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

 

And in regards to what I was originally responding to, I have had dealers tell me that I tell them about 1st appearances for characters that Overstreet doesn't even mention. So you are paying for a service that is not even doing their full job.

I understand that there are many that still get it just to get it every year, but I would venture to say they are older collectors.

[Lazyboy]

I don't think many would argue with that definition. It's typically the "1st FULL appearance" that the market tends to gravitate towards and some people just can't handle the fact that buyers want Hulk #181 (1st Full) way more than their stacks of Hulk #180 (1st) ...

 

That's not what he's saying. He's trying to use poorly done parts of the OPG to justify his insane POV that ads and previews are actual first appearances. Forget about brief story appearances.

 

First depiction regardless of where it's presented does not equal first appearance. Never has, never will.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

I read it for the articles.

 

I read it for the accurate definition of what a first appearance is.

 

 

 

I don't think many would argue with that definition. It's typically the "1st FULL appearance" that the market tends to gravitate towards and some people just can't handle the fact that buyers want Hulk #181 (1st Full) way more than their stacks of Hulk #180 (1st) ...

Except Ween interprets that to include ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content "appearances."

[ygogolak]

Except Ween interprets that to include ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content "appearances."

 

Whether you agree with it or not, it says right there:

ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content = "first time that a character appears anywhere"

[Lazyboy]

Except Ween interprets that to include ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content "appearances."

 

Whether you agree with it or not, it says right there:

ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content = "first time that a character appears anywhere"

 

There are many things printed in the OPG that are highly suspect at best.

 

If Overstreet actually followed the strict literal meaning in the OPG glossary, why are Action 1 and Tec 27 listed as first appearances in the Price Guide?

[Hado]

Except Ween interprets that to include ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content "appearances."

 

Whether you agree with it or not, it says right there:

ads, articles in news magazines, and other such non-story content = "first time that a character appears anywhere"

 

There are many things printed in the OPG that are highly suspect at best.

 

If Overstreet actually followed the strict literal meaning in the OPG glossary, why are Action 1 and Tec 27 listed as first appearances in the Price Guide?

And that would put Spawn's first appearance on the back of a shirtless Todd McFarlane baseball card

 

[joe_collector]

2nd appearance in cameo? With #30 being 2nd full appearance

 

Yep.

 

Again, newbie specs forget these books used to be actually READ and ENJOYED, and the reason back issues thrived is because fans would go back to find earlier stories about their favorite characters.

 

MTIO 29 was a story about the Thing and Shang-Chi fighting a pile of Kungfu dudes, with an ending panel showing an unconscious Spider-woman. MTIO 30 was an actual Spider-woman story from cover to cover, hence Spider-woman fans would gravitate to it rather than 29, as it offered an entire story and "full appearance" of their fave character.

 

P.S. This is getting silly, those MTIO books have some of the worst art in the history of mankind and should be worth the equivalent of birdcage filler.

[joe_collector]

That's not what he's saying. He's trying to use poorly done parts of the OPG to justify his insane POV that ads and previews are actual first appearances. Forget about brief story appearances.

 

First depiction regardless of where it's presented does not equal first appearance. Never has, never will.

 

Exactly, and I always imagine these poor deluded fools with a closet-full of Hulk 180's thinking.. "just a few more years and everyone will accept this as his first appearance and I'll be rich! Hahahahahaha!"

[BettrFastrStrongr]

 

Exactly, I like shops that still use it though

 

 

Me too and on the other end I hate shops that run to eBay whenever I ask a price.

 

[valiantman]

I always imagine these poor deluded fools with a closet-full of Hulk 180's thinking.. "just a few more years and everyone will accept this as his first appearance and I'll be rich! Hahahahahaha!"

 

A typical closet can hold at least a dozen short boxes... with 125 copies each.

That's 1,500 copies. Anyone with a closet full of Hulk 180s is already rich.

[MrWeen]

That's not what he's saying. He's trying to use poorly done parts of the OPG to justify his insane POV that ads and previews are actual first appearances. Forget about brief story appearances.

 

First depiction regardless of where it's presented does not equal first appearance. Never has, never will.

 

Exactly, and I always imagine these poor deluded fools with a closet-full of Hulk 180's thinking.. "just a few more years and everyone will accept this as his first appearance and I'll be rich! Hahahahahaha!"

 

As someone who's main goal is to collect all sorts of comics rather than sell I can tell you that if anyone is doing that then it's pretty dumb. That doesn't mean that having a stack of Wolverine's true first appearances isn't desireable. Just take out the aspect of profit for a second. I know that is tough around here but not everyone is hear to make a buck. I want 180, 181, and a host of other Wolverine keys ( yes that includes 80 and that Foom issue) in my collection. Sometimes I have to have a comic only for the cover knowing that the story is cause once and a while the art or image is all that matters. But I also want the ones that are worth nada but are key to the history and development of the character. Just don't tell me that cause people place more value on one book over another that it replaces the truth.

Edited July 25, 2015 by MrWeen