November Clink Auction

[G.A.tor]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

[Timely]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

[Jaydogrules]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

 

 

Yes guys, anyone with a Tec 31 with " Light Tan-OW Pages" or "worse" that you haven't been able to unload at anywhere near Overstreet, please PM me, I'm a ready, willing and monied buyer. Just whatever you do Pleeeease don't get the bright idea to CPR it first and very likely get a randomly better PQ designation, which has happened at least once to every single collector and dealer that I know. Please don't do that, especially if you disagree with that PQ designation, since there is no obvious "flaking" of the pages in the slab (wouldn't those be "brittle pages" anyway and not "Tan"?), and you have probably re-subbed before gunning not only for a better PQ designation but an entirely higher grade in general. Please don't do any of that and just sell me your horrible PQ Tec 31, I will do you a solid and take that clunker off your hands.

 

-J.

 

PS: I'm also in the market for any "Dark Tan" or lower PQ Action 13's you may have lying around that you can't get rid of.

 

 

[ciorac]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

 

 

Yes guys, anyone with a Tec 31 with " Light Tan-OW Pages" or "worse" that you haven't been able to unload at anywhere near Overstreet, please PM me, I'm a ready, willing and monied buyer. Just whatever you do Pleeeease don't get the bright idea to CPR it first and very likely get a randomly better PQ designation, which has happened at least once to every single collector and dealer that I know. Please don't do that, especially if you disagree with that PQ designation, since there is no obvious "flaking" of the pages in the slab (wouldn't those be "brittle pages" anyway and not "Tan"?), and you have probably re-subbed before gunning not only for a better PQ designation but an entirely higher grade in general. Please don't do any of that and just sell me your horrible PQ Tec 31, I will do you a solid and take that clunker off your hands.

 

-J.

 

PS: I'm also in the market for any "Dark Tan" or lower PQ Action 13's you may have lying around that you can't get rid of.

 

-J.

 

Pressing books with tan or worse pages is a risky endeavor. I've seen some crack, and others the cover split down the spine completely

[Flex Mentallo]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

 

 

Yes guys, anyone with a Tec 31 with " Light Tan-OW Pages" or "worse" that you haven't been able to unload at anywhere near Overstreet, please PM me, I'm a ready, willing and monied buyer. Just whatever you do Pleeeease don't get the bright idea to CPR it first and very likely get a randomly better PQ designation, which has happened at least once to every single collector and dealer that I know. Please don't do that, especially if you disagree with that PQ designation, since there is no obvious "flaking" of the pages in the slab (wouldn't those be "brittle pages" anyway and not "Tan"?), and you have probably re-subbed before gunning not only for a better PQ designation but an entirely higher grade in general. Please don't do any of that and just sell me your horrible PQ Tec 31, I will do you a solid and take that clunker off your hands.

 

-J.

 

PS: I'm also in the market for any "Dark Tan" or lower PQ Action 13's you may have lying around that you can't get rid of.

 

-J.

 

Pressing books with tan or worse pages is a risky endeavor. I've seen some crack, and others the cover split down the spine completely

 

And as you know Bill they don't have to be as dark as tan for it to be risky!

[Jaydogrules]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

 

 

Yes guys, anyone with a Tec 31 with " Light Tan-OW Pages" or "worse" that you haven't been able to unload at anywhere near Overstreet, please PM me, I'm a ready, willing and monied buyer. Just whatever you do Pleeeease don't get the bright idea to CPR it first and very likely get a randomly better PQ designation, which has happened at least once to every single collector and dealer that I know. Please don't do that, especially if you disagree with that PQ designation, since there is no obvious "flaking" of the pages in the slab (wouldn't those be "brittle pages" anyway and not "Tan"?), and you have probably re-subbed before gunning not only for a better PQ designation but an entirely higher grade in general. Please don't do any of that and just sell me your horrible PQ Tec 31, I will do you a solid and take that clunker off your hands.

 

-J.

 

PS: I'm also in the market for any "Dark Tan" or lower PQ Action 13's you may have lying around that you can't get rid of.

 

-J.

 

Pressing books with tan or worse pages is a risky endeavor. I've seen some crack, and others the cover split down the spine completely

 

 

Ciorac, all kidding aside, you're right, I wouldn't necessarily automatically press a book either, just because I disagreed with the PQ label. My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more. And I also think it's just as ridiculous to haggle with a dealer over PQ, or pay a premium to a dealer based entirely on PQ, when it comes to rare or key books in particular, even more so in GA. I must always caveat this to books with "Brittle" pages, as that is not a colour, but a true, bona fide and tangible degradation in the paper.

 

-J.

[Flex Mentallo]

 

 

My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more.

-J.

 

Really? many collectors would prefer lower grade with white pages over higher grade structure with lesser page quality.

 

 

 

 

[batman_fan]

I was outbid on the Cap 1. I wonder by who

 

It wasn't me, even though I thought about taking a run at it.

 

I did fire off a late bid for that Daredevil #2 (7.0) which presented better than grade in the FC scan. Alas, I was shut out by two higher snipe bids.

 

That'un ended up selling for about 25% over the estimated Guide value!

 

Was surprised by that as well. I got knocked early but continued to watch. I figured it would maybe be in the $1200 to $1500 range.

[batman_fan]

Yup the whole grading process is obviously subjective....PQ, at least in my opinion, being THE MOST subjective and arbitrary aspect of CGC grading, the most fluid, and therefore the least important. If a book I'm eyeing happens to have cream, tan or whatever pages, and I want that book, I buy that book. If it happens to have white pages, then Yippee!, and I buy the book. If the book has the eye appeal I like overall, I buy the book. I don't believe PQ is anything worth haggling over nor paying a premium for. Yes there are exceptions to every rule. But when it comes to that one, they are few and far between.

 

-J.

 

Having owned a tan to off-white book that was flaking into the bottom of the slab, I definitely take page quality into consideration when making a purchase.

 

+1. I had the same experience with a lt tan to off white book

[ciorac]

 

 

My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more.

-J.

 

Really? many collectors would prefer lower grade with white pages over higher grade structure with lesser page quality.

 

 

 

 

I'm one of those collectors. I recently moved a 5.0 CR/OW SA key out to bring in a 3.5 WHITE.

[Cat-Man_America]

Not sure if it's been mentioned and don't have the time to read to find out right now, but...

 

There are tons of page qualities that have been cataloged by some studious comic junky:

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

I posted this link earlier in the thread and got my *spoon* handed to me because the compiler of that chart hypothesizes that "Light Tan" PQ is actually superior to "Cream". Based on his data I am inclined to agree. Though I am not a huge PQ guy either way. As I am sure is quite evident by now.

 

-J.

 

Light tan is worse than cream. Even his chart shows the highest grade a light tan to off-white book received was a 9.2 and a "cream" (not cream to off-white) got a 9.6

 

Here is the basic order of page quality. Some designations like Tan to Cream are basically never used.

 

White

Off-white to White

Off-white

Cream to Off-white

Cream

Light Tan to Off-white

Tan to Off-white

Dark Tan to Off-white

Slightly Brittle

Brittle

 

Your table and interpretation makes sense. But then so does the table in the link. Based on that author's hypothesis of the oxidation of paper from the edges of the pages inward toward the spine of the book and the fact that no PQ designation of "Light Tan to Cream" actually exists I am inclined to agree with him. As a side note, books with outright "Light Tan" and "Tan to Cream" pages are both noted on his table in a 9.8 grade. Have we now concluded that CGC has "new" policies in place about grade capping at certain PQ levels? Has this been confirmed? How long before policy is changed again? I never argued that there might be grade caps, I merely dared to posit a theory, based on a very well put together table by an outside source, that "Light Tan to Cream" pages on a book isn't all that bad and may be superior to the more common "Cream-OW" books, based on a very clear paradigm that the author of that table has laid out with examples. The proof is in the pudding. And I think MRMyst was robbed on his grade based on pretty much nothing relevant or actually quantifiable. I hope it did not impact his auction result because it is a great looking book.

 

As for the "life expectancy" of a book, proper storage and the slabbing of the comic renders that concern rather moot. One more reason I feel way too much credibility is given to the very subjective determination of actual PQ on a book. Other than brittle pages, it just really doesn't matter that much IMHO, and even less so when it comes to rare and/or highly sought mega keys.

 

-J.

 

You can agree with this guy if you want, but I worked as a grader for CGC for over 7 years. Hopefully me being in the grading room, grading books and giving page quality assessments to over 100,000 vintage comics puts a little more faith in me than a guy on the internet with a chart.

 

Those 9.8 grades you mentioned are obvious errors. Quite possibly a finalizer put in the page quality and got distracted. When he looked at the book again he forgot the bad page quality and gave the books a 9.8 based on the cover being so nice. I'd bet these books are probably Harvey file copies. It was just an error.

 

New grading caps for page quality will probably never be "confirmed" by CGC as they do not generally talk about their grading standards. I just happen to know what they are along with the order of page quality rankings because I was a grader there.

 

Hopefully this fixes some of your confusion.

 

west...I gave up, you should too

 

I'm pretty much done. (thumbs u

 

On the bright side, if you have any books with tan pages I think you just found your customer!

 

 

Yes guys, anyone with a Tec 31 with " Light Tan-OW Pages" or "worse" that you haven't been able to unload at anywhere near Overstreet, please PM me, I'm a ready, willing and monied buyer. Just whatever you do Pleeeease don't get the bright idea to CPR it first and very likely get a randomly better PQ designation, which has happened at least once to every single collector and dealer that I know. Please don't do that, especially if you disagree with that PQ designation, since there is no obvious "flaking" of the pages in the slab (wouldn't those be "brittle pages" anyway and not "Tan"?), and you have probably re-subbed before gunning not only for a better PQ designation but an entirely higher grade in general. Please don't do any of that and just sell me your horrible PQ Tec 31, I will do you a solid and take that clunker off your hands.

 

-J.

 

PS: I'm also in the market for any "Dark Tan" or lower PQ Action 13's you may have lying around that you can't get rid of.

 

-J.

 

Pressing books with tan or worse pages is a risky endeavor. I've seen some crack, and others the cover split down the spine completely

 

 

Ciorac, all kidding aside, you're right, I wouldn't necessarily automatically press a book either, just because I disagreed with the PQ label. My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more. And I also think it's just as ridiculous to haggle with a dealer over PQ, or pay a premium to a dealer based entirely on PQ, when it comes to rare or key books in particular, even more so in GA. I must always caveat this to books with "Brittle" pages, as that is not a colour, but a true, bona fide and tangible degradation in the paper.

 

-J.

 

No haggling? Where's the fun in that?

[Flex Mentallo]

 

 

My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more.

-J.

 

Really? many collectors would prefer lower grade with white pages over higher grade structure with lesser page quality.

 

 

 

 

I'm one of those collectors. I recently moved a 5.0 CR/OW SA key out to bring in a 3.5 WHITE.

 

Doesn't surprise me at all.

[Dark Knight]

I was outbid on the Cap 1. I wonder by who

 

It wasn't me, even though I thought about taking a run at it.

 

I did fire off a late bid for that Daredevil #2 (7.0) which presented better than grade in the FC scan. Alas, I was shut out by two higher snipe bids.

 

That'un ended up selling for about 25% over the estimated Guide value!

 

what d'Cap 1 go fer?

 

$25,805

 

Went for a good price I think. Considering a 8.0 with mod. resto sold in the $30k range last year. I was contemplating about taking a stab at it but decided not to. One copy is good enough for me

[Sqeggs]

Only one win so far. The two books that mesmerize me are the Little Dot 1 and the Peanuts 1. What amazing books!

Peanuts in 9.8 is a stunner

 

Up to $5,200. Interesting to see how high it will go.

[Marvel Zombie]

I was outbid on the Cap 1. I wonder by who

 

It wasn't me, even though I thought about taking a run at it.

 

I did fire off a late bid for that Daredevil #2 (7.0) which presented better than grade in the FC scan. Alas, I was shut out by two higher snipe bids.

 

That'un ended up selling for about 25% over the estimated Guide value!

 

what d'Cap 1 go fer?

 

$25,805

 

Went for a good price I think. Considering a 8.0 with mod. resto sold in the $30k range last year. I was contemplating about taking a stab at it but decided not to. One copy is good enough for me

 

 

Not wholesale price for sure. BUT nevertheless a pretty good bargain I'd say. Shouldnt it have gone for more Cap 1 being red hot'n all?

[jimbo_707]

 

 

My point is that, at least with MrMyst's Superworld in the CLink auction, who cares about the PQ it's a great looking book and I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ding a book or cap a grade based on PQ alone and nothing more.

-J.

 

Really? many collectors would prefer lower grade with white pages over higher grade structure with lesser page quality.

 

 

 

+1

[Hamlet]

I put a pretty big premium on cover gloss, white pages, and a lack of interior cover tanning. I'd rather have a 6.5 book that looks fresh than a flat, tanning 8.0 book.

 

The problem I have is that I can't really tell if a book has these qualities when it is CGC'd. The cover gloss is hard to see through the plastic case, and interior cover tanning doesn't seem to prevent a book from getting "white" pages from CGC.

 

The latest white-paged book I cracked had interior cover tanning.

 

 

I'm one of those collectors. I recently moved a 5.0 CR/OW SA key out to bring in a 3.5 WHITE.

[nearmint]

Would like to spend a stack of cash tonight, but I suspect I'll suffer from underbidderitis, just like last night.

[adamstrange]

The latest white-paged book I cracked had interior cover tanning.

This definitely occurs with some of the Dell File copies. I'm okay with a certain amount of it and with the Dell white-pagers it's usually acceptable but it would be better if it were noted on the label.

 

As far as ascertaining "freshness" it's much more of a challenge when a book is slabbed. I'm pretty good these days but when you are buying a non-returnable slab based on scans there will inevitably be some books that don't end up looking like you'd hope they would.

[adamstrange]

Would like to spend a stack of cash tonight, but I suspect I'll suffer from underbidderitis, just like last night.

That's easier on the wallet and financial health the overbiddertuidiness.