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On 12/16/2021 at 6:20 PM, thehumantorch said:

Your avengers 57 is not even close to a 7.0.  3 inch spine split, tons of cover wear, etc.   I’m close to a 2.0 on it.  it’s ironic considering you have a graded 7.0 Xmen in the same sale.  Please compare the two and be honest with yourself about the avengers 57.

This isn’t about mean people bringing you down and this isn’t about you being a little off on the grade and having a discussion.  Please don’t blame us or try to deflect criticism. It will only hurt your reputation further.

Your avengers 57 is probably the most over-graded key I’ve ever seen for sale here.

I am trying to learn bud - also its a consignment book so I let the collector grade it and price it if it doesnt sell its no skin off my nose (or so i thought but seems it is) I am having a chat with him later today and will go from there. Yes I was very defensive and im sorry trying to be better thanks for the advice good sir! :) Happy holidays

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On 12/16/2021 at 1:20 PM, thehumantorch said:

Your avengers 57 is not even close to a 7.0.  3 inch spine split, tons of cover wear, etc.   I’m close to a 2.0 on it.  it’s ironic considering you have a graded 7.0 Xmen in the same sale.  Please compare the two and be honest with yourself about the avengers 57.

This isn’t about mean people bringing you down and this isn’t about you being a little off on the grade and having a discussion.  Please don’t blame us or try to deflect criticism. It will only hurt your reputation further.

Your avengers 57 is probably the most over-graded key I’ve ever seen for sale here.

I have to say I agree with the 57, that is why I specifically called it out, although I referenced a CGC 5.0 I wanted to show it was priced double that. I agree with others that 4.0 is the top of the world on that book. What I am not certain he understands is a new collector may not do their homework or understand and if there is intent or not, that person will be taken to the cleaners if they buy that book at 1K. 

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On 12/16/2021 at 1:55 PM, Funnybooks said:

There is skin off your nose as you are selling the book and therefore it's your reputation on the line as the seller whether you own the book or it's on consignment. As a potential buyer, I have no interest in the arrangement you may have with a third party, I only see the book that you are presenting for sale. If you don't agree with the grade, don't agree to sell the book. 

Ding! Ding! On these boards, you are the Seller. If you post a bad grade, YOU posted the bad grade. Not someone else.

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On 12/16/2021 at 7:20 PM, Muno42 said:

Ding! Ding! On these boards, you are the Seller. If you post a bad grade, YOU posted the bad grade. Not someone else.

Tbh I am loving the advice and the willingness for discussion thanks all. Happy holidays 🎄 

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On 12/16/2021 at 12:48 PM, A.K. - SilverAgeComicsUK said:

I am trying to learn bud - also its a consignment book so I let the collector grade it and price it if it doesnt sell its no skin off my nose (or so i thought but seems it is) I am having a chat with him later today and will go from there. Yes I was very defensive and im sorry trying to be better thanks for the advice good sir! :) Happy holidays

The consigner doesn't determine the grade, the person selling it does. Because the dispute will be between you and the buyer not the buyer and the consignor.

Do you have the books in your possession or is the consignor holding them?

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On 12/16/2021 at 8:24 PM, Red84 said:

The consigner doesn't determine the grade, the person selling it does. Because the dispute will be between you and the buyer not the buyer and the consignor.

Do you have the books in your possession or is the consignor holding them?

Consigner is holding them but like i stated above will talk to him and get a view on community’s thoughts. 

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On 12/17/2021 at 3:18 AM, KCOComics said:

I've followed the conversation but avoided weighing in because I don't like piling onto people.  I'm weighing in now because I saw your exchange with @Polonsky who is someone I have an incredible amount of respect for.

If you are sincere in trying to repair your reputation, you have to clean up the nonsense.  I think many of us could look past the FB stuff and give you the benefit of the doubt that you want a fresh start. But that aside, your threads always seem to come with allot of drama. Selling books on multiple platforms despite being warned. Over grading, over priced, not having possession of the books and no returns. It's allot of red flags. 

 

@Polonsky is a great seller on these forums. Not only for the quality of books that he sells, but for the quality of person he is. How he treats people and talks to people. So if you are looking to build a business, that's a guy you should be looking to emulate. 

I agree I’ve actually had a really good chat with Lee on Instagram. And I plan to sir it’s taken me a second to figure out the rules of this forum but I plan to follow them. I appreciate the kind words and advice. God bless. Happy holidays 🎄 

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On 12/16/2021 at 10:18 PM, KCOComics said:

I've followed the conversation but avoided weighing in because I don't like piling onto people.  I'm weighing in now because I saw your exchange with @Polonsky who is someone I have an incredible amount of respect for.

If you are sincere in trying to repair your reputation, you have to clean up the nonsense.  I think many of us could look past the FB stuff and give you the benefit of the doubt that you want a fresh start. But that aside, your threads always seem to come with allot of drama. Selling books on multiple platforms despite being warned. Over grading, over priced, not having possession of the books and no returns. It's allot of red flags. 

 

@Polonsky is a great seller on these forums. Not only for the quality of books that he sells, but for the quality of person he is. How he treats people and talks to people. So if you are looking to build a business, that's a guy you should be looking to emulate. 

I did not realize, having not followed the thread completely that you had an encounter with Lee. I hope you have taken something away from all this that is character building. Lee is beyond reproach on this forum and beyond.

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On 12/16/2021 at 9:22 PM, Funnybooks said:

I did not realize, having not followed the thread completely that you had an encounter with Lee. I hope you have taken something away from all this that is character building. Lee is beyond reproach on this forum and beyond.

Not to mention he was the unintentional catalyst for Dylan getting HoSed and banned.  That alone should win him Forumite of the Year.

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On 12/16/2021 at 2:46 PM, A.K. - SilverAgeComicsUK said:

Consigner is holding them but like i stated above will talk to him and get a view on community’s thoughts. 

Have you physically seen the books or just pictures?

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On 12/17/2021 at 8:11 PM, alecholland said:

In your thread you mentioned that you are trying to start a small business. If you are sincere about this endeavor then I would like to offer some advice.

Stop selling comics for a while. 

Take some time out and learn how to grade more accurately and learn about the market and realistic price ranges for comics. I would suggest purchasing an Overstreet grading guide. Study it carefully. Look at what defects are allowed at each grade level. If you see that a spine split isn't allowed in a comic graded higher than 4.0, then you probably don't have a 6.5 - 7.0 book. At best you have a 4.0 comic. In all honesty, I have had two eye surgeries on my right eye in the last two months and can only see blurry shapes and colors in my right eye and I could still tell the Avenger's book was way over-graded. If I were selling that book, from the photos you posted, I would have listed it at 2.5 - 3.0 due to the spine split in addition to the other very noticeable defects. 

In addition to buying a grading guide, you should look at other CGC graded books. If I am planning on selling a book, and think it is in 7.0 condition, I compare it to other CGC graded 7.0 books either in my own collection or online. That's in addition to checking my Overstreet grading guide. You could also post scans of books here on the boards in the Buddy can you spare a grade section. Sometimes, board members catch something I may have missed even though I've looked at the book multiple times. There is a wealth of knowledge on these boards and I try to take advantage of it whenever I have any doubts about a grade.

For pricing I don't personally use GPA, however I don't usually sell any pricey books and I am not a dealer. If I were a dealer and if I were selling expensive key issues, I would definitely use GPA to get an idea of realistic selling prices. I would eliminate the highest and lowest sales and probably price my book somewhere just under the average selling price. I often use Ebay sold prices when I price books I am planning to sell. Again, I eliminate the anomalies. If I see an average selling price of say $150 on Ebay, I deduct the selling and final value fees Ebay charges and usually price my book somewhere just under that.

You are supposed to be the professional. If you are selling something on consignment as the professional, it is your responsibility to grade and price the book accurately. If the person consigning the book to you thinks they have a 6.5 - 7.0 book, it is your job to inform them they don't and give them a realistic idea of the value. I believe you knew it wasn't a 6.5 - 7.0 book which reflects poorly on you and your credibility as the owner of a small business. It makes potential customers like me make a mental note of your board name and associate that name with over-grading and over-pricing. That is not good.

I guess the bottom line is, whenever I personally sell a comic either here on the boards or Ebay, I always ask myself, "would I be happy if I purchased this book? Would I feel like it had been graded accurately? Do I believe the price is fair? Would I buy from me again?" In every aspect of your business, again if you are sincere, you need to be asking yourself these questions. You need to try and exceed your customers expectations if possible, but first you need to stop selling comics and do the work of learning about the comic industry, grading accurately and pricing fairly.

That's my 2 cents although it could be completely worthless.

Extremely accurate and sound advice that (sadly)  I'm sure fell on deaf ears.  

From what I've seen and read lately with this seller. I don't see consignments going very far in his "career".  Definitely not the way issues are handled, inability to follow seller rules, and the complete lack of the grading standards. 

Just my 2 cents.  

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