Popular Post MasterChief Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 10:45 AM, RareHighGrade said: Can you give us an idea of what titles fall under the "Adventure" category? Good question. Genre classification proved to be somewhat tricky as I used both GCD and HA as references. The two didn't always agree. While GCD sometimes listed more than one genre for a particular issue, HA stuck with just one for lot listing. On occasion, the HA classification appeared to be off or wasn't listed (Mask #1 for example), so I relied on GCD to make the call. But IIRC, both websites agreed more often than not. If you have any suggestions for data refinement, just shout. Here's how the Adventure genre broke out... Edited September 16, 2023 by MasterChief image work fast eddie, bc, Dr. Love and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 Looks like it’s Mask 1 and Matt Baker that lifted the genre Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 7:32 PM, GreatCaesarsGhost said: Looks like it’s Mask 1 and Matt Baker that lifted the genre Yes indeed, because if you take out just the Mask 1 and the Seven Seas 5, you go instantly from a big plus 23% all the way down to a big negative 32%. OUCH!!! Edited September 16, 2023 by lou_fine waaaghboss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
path4play Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 3:48 AM, MasterChief said: Update! At the close of today's Signature Auction, 48 Promises were liquidated increasing the total catalogued to 262. While today's sales register a 14% loss for the month of September overall, there is a slight dip in net loss (-23%) as compared to the last updated (-26%). Note: With data points increasing, a new table is presented to look under the hood and analyze Promise Collection genres. Data sorted oldest to newest Sale Date. (Source: Heritage Auctions (HA), Comic Connect (CC), ComicLink (CL), eBay) Very interesting and informative, thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) There's a Promise Jumbo Comics #133 (CGC 9.2) in this week's Heritage weekly auction. It previously sold for $1800 in April 2022. What will it go for now? Edited September 24, 2023 by tth2 Jumbo Comics 133, not Jungle Comics 133. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomerjay Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 On 9/22/2023 at 10:54 PM, tth2 said: There's a Promise Jungle Comics #133 (CGC 9.2) in this week's Heritage weekly auction. It previously sold for $1800 in April 2022. What will it go for now? $1000. i think you mean Jumbo 133. And IMO that still seems too much given the history of all sales of Jumbo/Jungle/Fight etc. But who knows, 2 bidders might get into it over a HG FH GA GGA with nice pages. Nice book, a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 9:44 PM, whomerjay said: $1000. i think you mean Jumbo 133. And IMO that still seems too much given the history of all sales of Jumbo/Jungle/Fight etc. But who knows, 2 bidders might get into it over a HG FH GA GGA with nice pages. Nice book, a keeper. Sorry, you're correct, Jumbo 133. I've fixed my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) On 9/14/2023 at 10:27 AM, Robot Man said: HA has taken no haircut on this collection either in the first round or the realists. Probably one of their most profitable group of auctions. And one of the best marketing efforts to date. I don’t know if they were buyers or if it is even legal to do so. I do know that Texas law makes it OK to shill auctions. That is one of several reasons I stay away from their auctions. I don’t belittle this incredible collection. But I do have opinions on grading, the story and the crazy individuals who bought these books at insane prices and fell for the hype. It might be legal to shill in person, but it would be a federal crime—wire fraud—to shill bid in an online auction. Texas law doesn't trump federal law. Edited September 24, 2023 by jimbo_7071 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Well, sad to say but I guess not surprisingly, this group of 5 Promise Collection Lone Ranger comics didnt fare much better in yesterday's auction with a combined loss of $2,452 or some 45.5% from their first round auction results of $5,430 now able to garnered only $2,958 on their second go round: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-3-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13175.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 3 selling for only $840 as compared to $1,320 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-4-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13176.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 4 selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-5-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13177.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 5 also selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-10-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-94-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13179.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise copy of Lone Ranger 10 selling for $606 vs. $1,320 in June of 2022, and a 9.6 File Copy selling for $840 yesterday; and https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-13-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13181.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 13 selling for only $312 as compared to $990 back in June of 2022. Edited October 9, 2023 by lou_fine comicnoir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 3:34 PM, lou_fine said: Well, sad to say but I guess not surprisingly, this group of 5 Promise Collection Lone Ranger comics didnt fare much better in yesterday's auction with a combined loss of $2,452 or some 45.5% from their first round auction results of $5,430 now able to garnered only $2,958 on their second go round: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-3-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13175.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 3 selling for only $840 as compared to $1,320 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-4-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13176.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 4 selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-5-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13177.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 5 also selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-10-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-94-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13179.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise copy of Lone Ranger 10 selling for $606 vs. $1,320 in June of 2022, and a 9.6 File Copy selling for $840 yesterday; and https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-13-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13181.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 13 selling for only $312 as compared to $990 back in June of 2022. Ouch. But serious question, am I the only one that likes the Lone Ranger books? ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 9:54 AM, batman_fan said: Ouch. But serious question, am I the only one that likes the Lone Ranger books? I do, but sold off my collection in 2022. jimjum12 and batman_fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 5:34 AM, lou_fine said: Well, sad to say but I guess not surprisingly, this group of 5 Promise Collection Lone Ranger comics didnt fare much better in yesterday's auction with a combined loss of $2,452 or some 45.5% from their first round auction results of $5,430 now able to garnered only $2,958 on their second go round: I really don't understand the business model of "Doug". He's been buying literally every Dell/Gold Key that's come on Heritage during the past 3 years, and then flipped them within a year or so on Heritage. He seems to have been the buyer of just about every Lone Ranger, Tarzan, Korak and Turok I sold on Heritage in 2022. The results of his resales of these books have been pretty mixed. jimjum12, goldust40 and Mmehdy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 2:34 PM, lou_fine said: Well, sad to say but I guess not surprisingly, this group of 5 Promise Collection Lone Ranger comics didnt fare much better in yesterday's auction with a combined loss of $2,452 or some 45.5% from their first round auction results of $5,430 now able to garnered only $2,958 on their second go round: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-3-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13175.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 3 selling for only $840 as compared to $1,320 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-4-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13176.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 4 selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-5-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1948-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13177.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 5 also selling for only $600 as compared to $900 back in June of 2022; https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-10-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-94-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13179.s?ic16=ViewItem-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-JumpLot-NextLot-050318 With this Promise copy of Lone Ranger 10 selling for $606 vs. $1,320 in June of 2022, and a 9.6 File Copy selling for $840 yesterday; and https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/western/lone-ranger-13-the-promise-collection-pedigree-dell-1949-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122341-13181.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 With this Promise Collection copy of Lone Ranger 13 selling for only $312 as compared to $990 back in June of 2022. No matter how you look at it, those are pretty serious prices for Lone Ranger books. Westerns are dead you know. But when it comes to Promise books, obviously, anything brings big money… jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Was just looking at Terry Toons 38 sales and came across this beauty of a price drop from last year. Surprised it tanked soo much in one year. jimjum12, goldust40 and Mmehdy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 6:18 PM, LDarkseid1 said: Was just looking at Terry Toons 38 sales and came across this beauty of a price drop from last year. Surprised it tanked soo much in one year. Based upon all previous sales of this book in this similar high grade condition range, the real surprise is why did it sell for such a ridiculous amount on the first go round? Especially when the amount that it sold for on its second go round appears to be much more in line with what it should have gone for. LDarkseid1, tth2 and jimbo_7071 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkkentdds Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Is that Terry Toons the biggest percentage drop? Mmehdy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 9:52 AM, clarkkentdds said: Is that Terry Toons the biggest percentage drop? Well, according to the masterful tracking worksheet below which was compiled by our very own @MasterChief, the answer would be NO: On 9/15/2023 at 12:48 AM, MasterChief said: Update! At the close of today's Signature Auction, 48 Promises were liquidated increasing the total catalogued to 262. While today's sales register a 14% loss for the month of September overall, there is a slight dip in net loss (-23%) as compared to the last updated (-26%). Note: With data points increasing, a new table is presented to look under the hood and analyze Promise Collection genres. Data sorted oldest to newest Sale Date. (Source: Heritage Auctions (HA), Comic Connect (CC), ComicLink (CL), eBay) Looks like the Terry-Toons had a percentage drop of only a mere 72% and was beaten out by a few other books, with the biggest being a tied for highest graded CGC 9.4 copy of 'Tec 126 which sold for a silly $43,200 before coming back down to reality and selling for a still strong price of $7,800 or a percentage drop of 82%. Definitely not as bad of a percentage drop as some of the high flying and hugely popular tech stocks from a couple of years ago or the Canadian cannabis stocks which shall we say went up in a puff of smoke once governmental legalization of weed was officially approved back in 2017/18 or whenever. Then again, there were also the rare and odd home runs with gains of 100% or more like the Plastic Man which had a bump up of 200% as it went from a mere $1,200 on its first go round as a CGC 9.2 graded copy up to a whopping $3,600 as a CGC 9.6 graded copy. Unlike what's happening in the rest of this CPR focused marketplace, it looks like there were very very few successful attempts at playing the CPR game with the Promise books as only a fractional 7 out of the 262 resales were successfully regraded. The CPR regrade that I found interesting was the one for the 'Tec 39 which got bumped DOWN from a CGC 4.5 grade down to a CGC 4.0 for its second go round, but was yet still able to garnered a 81% increase in price as it went up from $4,320 up to $7,800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat-Man_America Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) I kept my Promise Collection bids within reason targeting specific books wanted and was never awe struck by the hype or eyebrow raising grades which ...apparently... quite a few early auction bidders were. The heroic tearjerker story certainly left a lot of folks enthralled with the pedigree or melodrama behind it, but there were just too many omissions in the story and efforts to keep the original owner(s) and family anonymous provided too many red flags for my liking. It's a shame that some of the prices have dropped significantly (the finger pointing for this is understandable), but I don't think Promise Collection overall value deflation is a market correction, but rather a specific pedigree correction. Edited October 19, 2023 by Cat-Man_America Ale added! Point Five and Mmehdy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mlansdown Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 7:54 PM, batman_fan said: Ouch. But serious question, am I the only one that likes the Lone Ranger books? I like them! Just added this one to my collection a few months ago: adamstrange, Artifiction, comicjack and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 11:46 AM, mlansdown said: I like them! Just added this one to my collection a few months ago: Nice pick-up ! mlansdown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
