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[Axe Elf]

On 4/21/2022 at 1:06 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

It was Sherlock Holmes silly 😜

 

On 4/21/2022 at 1:10 PM, Galen130 said:

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.  Read a book!!! 

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Just goes to show that any insufficiently thoughtful person can write a book.

[Qalyar]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:39 PM, sckao said:

Is that a grader issue or a labeling issue? It's a Superman Masterpiece Edition #1 copy I think... but Sig Series projects especially with non-comic signers may be its own special queue.
 

EDIT:
Clearly a labeling issue:

This one is an inherent problem in the way CGC labels these sorts of books, because they make the "Label Text" field do way too much heavy lifting with "REPRINT"; ideally, books such as this should be more clearly identified in via their title and publication date. That's only a real problem when you have a book that needs something else in the "Label Text" field -- here, signature series information. This isn't a grader or QA failure per se, it's more of a problem with the software that drives label printing. Which isn't to say it's not a problem...

None of which, however, remotely excuses the UF4 reprints. I thought, well, maybe they're just mislabeled because the stupid specialty labels screw up things on the regular. But, no. Label lookup shows these as real UF4s. This is 100% a failure of the grading team. Do I suspect the submitter submitted them as UF4 and not the reprint? Of course. But that shouldn't matter. CGC has not been doing super well, especially lately, at checking books -- perhaps especially moderns -- for variant printings. I suspect there's sort of a culture of "well, all these moderns are just what they appear to be". Maybe look up who did the cover art if they have to assign a CGC-official name to a new variant. But otherwise, I feel like they're taking moderns at face value. Unfortunately, sometimes, the books are trying to fool you, and very few try to trick you quite as hard as this one. Still, that's literally the CGC graders' job.

It's also CGC QA's job, but... well...

[Qalyar]

If nothing else, this sort of -up by the grading floor is just another example of why CGC needs to set a policy of revoking certification numbers for books they can clearly establish as being invalidly labeled. That doesn't stop someone from getting taken advantage of looking at the slab in isolation, but it would at least mean anyone using the certification lookup feature on the website would know what's going on. If they're feeling particularly generous (which they should), then any slab whose certification shows as REVOKED should be eligible for free regrading and re-encapsulation (as, you know, whatever the book should be).

Then we just try to establish "check the cert lookup" as best practices for buyers in the community and, presto, the problem (sort of) resolves itself. I mean, aside from the people already badly done by.

[Domo Arigato]

On 4/21/2022 at 1:20 PM, Randall Dowling said:

On 4/21/2022 at 12:26 PM, Bluemedgroup said:

At least 3 graders would have to seen this book. 

I don't think that's not how it works anymore.  

If they have to seen this book...I also don't not think that isn't how it works.

 

[Gaard]

[Lazyboy]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:36 PM, Domo Arigato said:

As always, a buyer should be careful......but it makes you wonder how many raw copies of these poorly marked UF #4 reprint books have been passed off to buyers as the original.

Marvel itself is the first line of defense to prevent this kind of thing from happening......and they're doing a s**t job as well.

 

Marvel doesn't give a about the secondary market.

[Lazyboy]

On 4/21/2022 at 3:19 PM, Gaard said:

Right. Which, of course, perfectly explains why they grade things like these.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:26 PM, Bluemedgroup said:

WTF How the hell did this pass?  At least 3 graders would have to seen this book.  And it's not everyday you get a Superman #1 come thru (71 Universal grades on the census and 0 Signature) , surely they would have said "hey boss come take a look at this".  

Originally it showed on the census under the original Action Comics . This was when I first saw it for sale on Ebay. (The seller did disclose it was the Masterpiece Edition reprint. )

 

When it showed up there I brought it up here on the boards and it didn't take long and they corrected the census and their side of the certification number. 

On 4/21/2022 at 12:39 PM, sckao said:

Is that a grader issue or a labeling issue? It's a Superman Masterpiece Edition #1 copy I think... but Sig Series projects especially with non-comic signers may be its own special queue.
 

EDIT:
Clearly a labeling issue:

So now when you look it up either way it appears correct, with the exception of the label. I was not able to buy it when it came up and am not sure if whoever bought it has had it  corrected.  (I know if I had bought it I would have kept it that way just as a wall hanger.

As I already have a 9.8 of the Masterpiece edition. 

Spoiler

And it would have looked good next to 

Spoiler

 

[Bluemedgroup]

On 4/21/2022 at 1:20 PM, Randall Dowling said:

I don't think that's how it works anymore.  

what do you mean that isnt how it works anymore?  Did they change?  I always heard it was 3 seperate graders then coming up with a number.  CGC website still shows its a team effort, but no further description:

 

[kav]

On 4/21/2022 at 2:40 PM, Bluemedgroup said:

what do you mean that isnt how it works anymore?  Did they change?  I always heard it was 3 seperate graders then coming up with a number.  CGC website still shows its a team effort, but no further description:

 

the word multiple needs to be specifically defined.

[Domo Arigato]

On 4/21/2022 at 4:40 PM, Bluemedgroup said:

what do you mean that isnt how it works anymore?  Did they change?  I always heard it was 3 seperate graders then coming up with a number.  CGC website still shows its a team effort, but no further description:

According to this image that Gaard posted above......it now looks like each book is inspected by "at least two professionals".

 

[Qalyar]

On 4/21/2022 at 4:29 PM, Lazyboy said:

Right. Which, of course, perfectly explains why they grade things like these.

Separate topic. Counterfeits that are considered, in and of themselves, to be collectible are not unique to comic collecting. There are quite a few examples of both stamps and coins that are "collectible counterfeits". Off the top of my head, there's an entire specialist collection to be had in government-forged stamps from WWII, and the Henning nickel is reasonably popular. With the Cerebus, Cry for Dawn, and TMNT counterfeits -- if everything is done correctly, at least -- CGC is not only saying that these are not the legitimate books, but that they are the specific, well-known (and thus collectible) counterfeits.

That's very different from an authentication service that can't seem to read printed edition numbers on a lot of books...

[Catwomancomics]

On 4/20/2022 at 6:48 PM, Domo Arigato said:

Looks like it.  When I was able to check a few more, it did indicate that there was no 7009 cert number.  If I looked at them all correctly......I believe that 7 of them were 9.8 grade and one 1 of them was a 9.6 grade.  I'm also pretty sure the submitter realized what happened, and is probably attempting to unload them for big money without dumping them all on the market at once.

 

I’m curious to know if CGC would consider banning this submitter for fraudulent behavior such as this.

Edited April 22, 2022 by Catwomancomics

[Catwomancomics]

On 4/21/2022 at 3:01 PM, 12:34 said:

It's the first sentence on the back of the old slabs:

2nd paragraph, line 5

It is the duty of the buyer and seller of CGC-certified Collectible to examine the label for mechanical errors and return such Collectibles for correction when warranted.

[Bluemedgroup]

On 4/21/2022 at 5:01 PM, 12:34 said:

It's the first sentence on the back of the old slabs:

250+ slabs in my collection and I've never read the fine print until now. LOL. Thanks.  

[The Lions Den]

On 4/21/2022 at 11:02 AM, wombat said:

So would this be the fault of the grader or somewhere else in the process? @The Lions Den Any thoughts?

Shucks folks, I'm freaking flabbergasted...   

[JollyComics]

On 4/21/2022 at 10:22 AM, 12:34 said:

Wouldn't the indicia be different on the reprint?

My watch says 12:35.

[wombat]

On 4/21/2022 at 6:20 PM, Catwomancomics said:

2nd paragraph, line 5

It is the duty of the buyer and seller of CGC-certified Collectible to examine the label for mechanical errors and return such Collectibles for correction when warranted.

Is a mechanical error the same as incompetence? 

[wombat]

On 4/21/2022 at 6:10 PM, Catwomancomics said:

On 4/20/2022 at 9:48 PM, Domo Arigato said:

Looks like it.  When I was able to check a few more, it did indicate that there was no 7009 cert number.  If I looked at them all correctly......I believe that 7 of them were 9.8 grade and one 1 of them was a 9.6 grade.  I'm also pretty sure the submitter realized what happened, and is probably attempting to unload them for big money without dumping them all on the market at once.

 

I curious to know if CGC would consider banning this submitter for fraudulent behavior such as this.

There is a pretty big assumption being made here. 

[Catwomancomics]

On 4/21/2022 at 3:41 PM, wombat said:

There is a pretty big assumption being made here. 

Do you believe this person selling these books really thinks they are indeed 1st print from 2011?