PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[I like pie]

The checks in the mail.

 

[Speedy-D]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

[zuulioso]

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

At this point I do not want to wait any longer for the buyer so I don't want to wait for another check to be sent (if the first one ever was) and I don't want to wait for the alleged paypal dilemma to be resolved.

 

My last sale thread closed last night and I plan to re-list today. Speedy, you are right that she needs a way to get off the list but it seems obvious that she is unable to complete any purchases right now, so has there ever been a timed probation?

 

Maybe she is put on it for a couple of weeks and then removed when she can prove the paypal situation is resolved? I don't know. Just ideas.

[Speedy-D]

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

At this point I do not want to wait any longer for the buyer so I don't want to wait for another check to be sent (if the first one ever was) and I don't want to wait for the alleged paypal dilemma to be resolved.

 

My last sale thread closed last night and I plan to re-list today. Speedy, you are right that she needs a way to get off the list but it seems obvious that she is unable to complete any purchases right now, so has there ever been a timed probation?

 

Maybe she is put on it for a couple of weeks and then removed when she can prove the paypal situation is resolved? I don't know. Just ideas.

It's a tough call. I (and probably some others too) have suggested a time limit to a stay on the PL when there's no way to resolve the transaction. I don't think it went over very well.

[mikenyc]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

 

[Speedy-D]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

Because that's how the PL works. If you don't like it, or you don't think it'll work in a particular situation, then do something else. Flame them in CG, in all their threads, troll them ... do whatever you want, it's a free country right? But the PL is what it is, and it seems to do a pretty good job.

 

And as we've said before many times, if you're looking for permanent punishment, nominate them for the HoS. The PL is not permanent, it's about putting someone in a holding pen until they've completed their transaction.

 

NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

[mikenyc]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

Because that's how the PL works. If you don't like it, or you don't think it'll work in a particular situation, then do something else. Flame them in CG, in all their threads, troll them ... do whatever you want, it's a free country right? But the PL is what it is, and it seems to do a pretty good job.

 

And as we've said before many times, if you're looking for permanent punishment, nominate them for the HoS. The PL is not permanent, it's about putting someone in a holding pen until they've completed their transaction.

 

NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

 

You New Yorkers have attitudes.

[Speedy-D]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

Because that's how the PL works. If you don't like it, or you don't think it'll work in a particular situation, then do something else. Flame them in CG, in all their threads, troll them ... do whatever you want, it's a free country right? But the PL is what it is, and it seems to do a pretty good job.

 

And as we've said before many times, if you're looking for permanent punishment, nominate them for the HoS. The PL is not permanent, it's about putting someone in a holding pen until they've completed their transaction.

 

NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

 

You New Yorkers have attitudes.

sorry mikesf

[mikenyc]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

Because that's how the PL works. If you don't like it, or you don't think it'll work in a particular situation, then do something else. Flame them in CG, in all their threads, troll them ... do whatever you want, it's a free country right? But the PL is what it is, and it seems to do a pretty good job.

 

And as we've said before many times, if you're looking for permanent punishment, nominate them for the HoS. The PL is not permanent, it's about putting someone in a holding pen until they've completed their transaction.

 

NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

 

You New Yorkers have attitudes.

sorry mikesf

 

You New Yorkers fold like a tent. ::

 

I want the PL list to be like the Salem Witch Trials. You go on the list, you never see the light of day again.

[BeerThirty]

One reasonable outcome is that the buyer insure the resale. If the original purchase price was $150 and the seller can only get $100 the 2nd time around, the original buyer owes the seller $50. If the seller gets $150 or more, the original buyer is off the hook. Does this seem reasonable?

[Sqeggs]

Not necessarily a comment on this case, but there is a significant shortcoming of the PL here. Consider two cases:

 

1. Buyer endlessly delays paying and the seller gets fed up and relists the book.

 

2. Buyer flys the but the seller later accepts a higher PM offer.

 

In these cases, there is no ability to complete the original transaction because the book in question has been sold to someone else. So, if the buyer in 1. or the seller in 2. is put on the PL there is no obvious way to get off -- Speedy's point. But not putting the buyer in 1. or the seller in 2. on the PL fails to give a head's up to everyone else that bad behavior has occurred.

 

Maybe we need a "time out" list.

[zuulioso]

Okay, re-listed and sold so in the end I sold the book, only it was a month after it originally sold.

 

I am for the time-out list.

[comix4fun]

[Shark]

 

[Kevin.J]

 

[Bio-Rupp]

It does seem like this is the first time they have attempted to purchase something online... or perhaps I am just naive.

 

Now they say their new account has a negative balance. I don't think it matters. They made a transaction and then failed to follow through on it.

 

So, I recommend toyman be put on the probation list for not making payment on a buy in a reasonable amount of time.

 

If I need to post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thankfully this is the first time I have had to do this.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him?

 

I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right.

 

I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident.

 

And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy.

 

But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know.

 

Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list...

 

Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment.

 

Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too.

 

Just food for munchin'

I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving?

 

I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed.

 

Yeah, I hate charity also.

 

This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter.

 

If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation.

 

In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance.

 

Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on.

 

Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole.

 

I hear Speedy's side of it and understand totally.

 

All I'm saying is that no one forces anyone to throw up a sign here... or place a bid on eBay. Both of those actions have to be performed through a series of steps to insure that the buyer actually wants to purchase something.

 

If after all these steps in which a buyer goes through to buy something... to have them back out without any form of repercussion seems wrong on so many levels.

 

I say if you're going to waste my time (which to me is worth money), my effort (again worth money) and hinder my bottom line... then you really should have your hand smacked for that.

 

Down here in the South they don't ask you to go get a switch off a tree to punish you with... they say go wake up your sleepy-eyed, molestor Uncle and then they give him a tent and you for 48 hours.

 

So if you ask me, a little charity for being loose with the sign isnt that bad

[Dr. Balls]

What about PL time limits for rectified situations? If someone hits the PL and makes it right, that's all good - but should we treat it like a sort of 'credit report' where a certain amount of time has to pass before the situation falls off?

 

Or maybe that is too much to keep track of?

[dopy02]

Okay, re-listed and sold so in the end I sold the book, only it was a month after it originally sold.

 

I am for the time-out list.

 

case closed

toyman does not go on the pl

but has suffered the public humiliation of having their integrity questioned

 

[DWL]

 

... Down here in the South they don't ask you to go get a switch off a tree to punish you with... they say go wake up your sleepy-eyed, molestor Uncle and then they give him a tent and you for 48 hours. :o/quote]

 

I am glad I have never pissed you off

[Green]

Okay, re-listed and sold so in the end I sold the book, only it was a month after it originally sold.

 

I am for the time-out list.

 

case closed

toyman does not go on the pl

but has suffered the public humiliation of having their integrity questioned

wtf. BS he doesnt. How is that any kind of warning to the community??