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[Zonker]

Must be using a voice-to-text app.  I'm reading minus well being as "might as well bring"

[valiantman]

On 5/14/2022 at 9:49 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

On 5/13/2022 at 12:09 PM, valiantman said:

If you pay the shipping with the $40, I'll send it to you.  It comes with a worthless certificate, too. PM if interested. 

Valiant removed the cover price for the gold incentive books after there was confusion with the first couple (Archer & Armstrong #0 Gold, Eternal Warrior #1 Gold non-Embossed), so it would be harder for retailers to accidentally put their gold books out for sale at $2.25 or $2.50 when they could have gotten $50+.

http://valiantarchive.com/valiant/golds.php

It's kinda funny, don't you think, that the print run of the VVSS and gold edition books were "limited' to 5500 or so copies, and the current sales figures indicate that those books are more abundant than the new releases. If DMG ever sells to a company that will actually do something with the property, and key issues in the current books are going to end up mighty desirable.

The 5,500 limit (or 5,000, in the case of Valiant gold issues) is interesting in the context of 1993 comic book industry.  According to Comichron.com, there were 11,000 accounts ordering comics, which made the VVSS or gold issues (literally) limited to only 1 copy per 2 ordering accounts. Comichron estimates 6,000 stores, so about 1 copy per store, at the time.

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1993.html

Once the books were in the secondary market, and looking back 30 years later, those limits seem like enough supply to easily meet demand (today), but "one-per-store" would have been pretty limited at the time when everyone was speculating on everything.

Edited May 16, 2022 by valiantman

[Spawnfreak]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:39 PM, Jesse-Lee said:

See the turtle, ain't he keen? All things serve the f'n beam...

Thank you, Roland!

[MattrixAlien]

Sorry to interrupt this thread with a post about copper comics selling well on eBay 

A raw VF Batman #423 I was watching just went for $179 USD

 

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 5/22/2022 at 8:52 PM, MattrixAlien said:

Sorry to interrupt this thread with a post about copper comics selling well on eBay 

A raw VF Batman #423 I was watching just went for $179 USD

 

It's kinda baffling that this issue sells for what it does while his Batman Year Two issues sell for a fraction of the price.

[OtherEric]

On 5/22/2022 at 7:21 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

It's kinda baffling that this issue sells for what it does while his Batman Year Two issues sell for a fraction of the price.

See also:  Batman #227 over, say, Batman #232.  Some covers just get all the love.

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/22/2022 at 9:21 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

It's kinda baffling that this issue sells for what it does while his Batman Year Two issues sell for a fraction of the price.

Not to be a broken record, but in my opinion it's even more baffling considering the 2nd and 3rd prints of 423 are available for much cheaper, and they look exactly the same. And it's not a "key" aside from the fact it's a cool cover.

[lostboys]

On 5/25/2022 at 12:07 AM, Jesse-Lee said:

Not to be a broken record, but in my opinion it's even more baffling considering the 2nd and 3rd prints of 423 are available for much cheaper, and they look exactly the same. And it's not a "key" aside from the fact it's a cool cover.

 

Same could be said for ASM 316...no?

Unless you count "first Venom cover" as a key book.

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/25/2022 at 2:46 PM, lostboys said:

 

Same could be said for ASM 316...no?

Unless you count "first Venom cover" as a key book.

I do think it's a little different because a lot of collectors value a character's first cover appearance - and especially so for a character like Venom.

I'd say 423 is more along the lines of Detective 880 (although the story in 880 is far better), in the sense that it's the cover that drives the cost. Hulk 340 is also similar to this.

[jokiing]

On 5/25/2022 at 12:57 PM, Jesse-Lee said:

I do think it's a little different because a lot of collectors value a character's first cover appearance - and especially so for a character like Venom.

I'd say 423 is more along the lines of Detective 880 (although the story in 880 is far better), in the sense that it's the cover that drives the cost. Hulk 340 is also similar to this.

I'm happy to see art as a driving factor. That's what drove my collection in the 70's.

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/25/2022 at 3:22 PM, jokiing said:

I'm happy to see art as a driving factor. That's what drove my collection in the 70's.

I don't disagree with this overall - I have plenty of books I've bought just because I like the art. It's just interesting that early-ish work from an icon like McFarlane on a mainstream character like Batman has such a disparity in price.

Detective 576 came out in 1987 and is part of the "Year Two" storyline:

 

Batman 423 came out in 1988 and has a forgettable story:

 

I will admit that I like the 423 art better. But it seems strange that Bats 423 is a $150-200 book, while 'Tec 576, which came out first and is part of a minor key run, can be had for $20 or less - I've personally gotten it at shops and shows for $15 or less.

 

'Tec 577 and 578 were also both done by McFarlane and also both came out before Batman 423. You can get the whole Year Two set (575-578) for less than $100.

[Lazyboy]

On 5/25/2022 at 2:46 PM, lostboys said:

 

Same could be said for ASM 316...no?

Unless you count "first Venom cover" as a key book.

They aren't keys and both have the value driven by the cover, but you can't get a later printing of ASM 316 for cheaper (or for any price, for that matter).

Edited May 25, 2022 by Lazyboy

[Lazyboy]

On 5/25/2022 at 2:57 PM, Jesse-Lee said:

I do think it's a little different because a lot of collectors value a character's first cover appearance - and especially so for a character like Venom.

I'd say 423 is more along the lines of Detective 880 (although the story in 880 is far better), in the sense that it's the cover that drives the cost. Hulk 340 is also similar to this.

Sure, people value the first Venom cover more than the first time Venom was on a cover, but Venom is on the cover of ASM 315.

[valiantman]

On 5/25/2022 at 4:21 PM, Lazyboy said:

Sure, people value the first Venom cover more than the first time Venom was on a cover, but Venom is on the cover of ASM 315.

Superman is on the cover of Action Comics #14 (more than Venom on ASM #315), but the "official notation" is that Action #13 is the 4th Superman cover and Action #15 is the 5th Superman cover.  No love for Action #14 (or ASM #315).

Edited May 25, 2022 by valiantman

[MattrixAlien]

On 5/26/2022 at 6:37 AM, Jesse-Lee said:

I don't disagree with this overall - I have plenty of books I've bought just because I like the art. It's just interesting that early-ish work from an icon like McFarlane on a mainstream character like Batman has such a disparity in price.

Detective 576 came out in 1987 and is part of the "Year Two" storyline:

 

Batman 423 came out in 1988 and has a forgettable story:

 

I will admit that I like the 423 art better. But it seems strange that Bats 423 is a $150-200 book, while 'Tec 576, which came out first and is part of a minor key run, can be had for $20 or less - I've personally gotten it at shops and shows for $15 or less.

 

'Tec 577 and 578 were also both done by McFarlane and also both came out before Batman 423. You can get the whole Year Two set (575-578) for less than $100.

Maybe if Batman was holding a girl in one of the Tec Year 2 covers it would sell for $150+ too 

[divad]

On 5/25/2022 at 1:37 PM, Jesse-Lee said:

I don't disagree with this overall - I have plenty of books I've bought just because I like the art. It's just interesting that early-ish work from an icon like McFarlane on a mainstream character like Batman has such a disparity in price.

Detective 576 came out in 1987 and is part of the "Year Two" storyline:

 

Batman 423 came out in 1988 and has a forgettable story:

 

I will admit that I like the 423 art better. But it seems strange that Bats 423 is a $150-200 book, while 'Tec 576, which came out first and is part of a minor key run, can be had for $20 or less - I've personally gotten it at shops and shows for $15 or less.

 

'Tec 577 and 578 were also both done by McFarlane and also both came out before Batman 423. You can get the whole Year Two set (575-578) for less than $100.

But it's BATMAN 423 . . . NOT Detective Comics . . . 

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/25/2022 at 4:21 PM, Lazyboy said:

Sure, people value the first Venom cover more than the first time Venom was on a cover, but Venom is on the cover of ASM 315.

That was just a cameo cover...

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/25/2022 at 5:35 PM, divad said:

But it's BATMAN 423 . . . NOT Detective Comics . . . 

Yeah, but both are Batman and the 'Tecs were first.

[MattrixAlien]

On 5/26/2022 at 9:12 AM, Jesse-Lee said:

Yeah, but both are Batman and the 'Tecs were first.

I wonder if divad has a point. Is Detective Comics the less collected/sought after Batman series, even though it's the original? From an artistic, key etc... perspective I agree with you Batman 423 being worth way more than Detective comics #576–578 isn't justified. Particularly if it's for the McFarlane art. The Year 2 interior art is also by McFarlane. Batman #423 is cover only. 

[Jesse-Lee]

On 5/25/2022 at 10:25 PM, MattrixAlien said:

I wonder if divad has a point. Is Detective Comics the less collected/sought after Batman series, even though it's the original? From an artistic, key etc... perspective I agree with you Batman 423 being worth way more than Detective comics #576–578 isn't justified. Particularly if it's for the McFarlane art. The Year 2 interior art is also by McFarlane. Batman #423 is cover only. 

Ah, I see - I was a little confused by what he meant. Yeah, I could see that - as a Batman collector, I definitely have a lot more of the Batman title and there seem to be more keys in that run, especially in Bronze/Copper. But yeah, agree on the interior art too, good point.